It goes to that part of the title that says "and religious people are morons". That's how it's relevant. Mine is a side point about the real issue being one of a gross lack of respect.

No need for further discussion on this side point. I know I'm right about it.

It doesnt take a religion to understand with simple compassion or respect that you should treat others as you would wish them to treat you.

It's not as if people need an organization to describe any reasons for it, or reasons against it. Or to justify it one way or the other.
Just common sense really.

On one hand it was somewhat disturbing when the elisabeth smart girl was found, that her family thanked god over and over again, and thanked everyone for praying. One might have thought that they would have had more thanks for the woman and man who actually spotted the girl.

But on the other hand, there is certainly no reason not to respect their belief that it was, in fact, a direct result of prayer that she was spotted by the woman and man.

Who am I to judge? I just want to live comfortably.

There is no real or fake "issue" in this thread. This is a discussion about why god doesnt exist. I never said there was an "issue" involved with people being religious. I think you have the "issue"

BTW moron

If you believe in ghosts, then you must concede that there is some higher power which has ordained their existance. Certainly, evolution can't explain the existance of ghosts (it can't even explain the existance of life).

If you concede the existance of a higher power or a supernatural cause, then you must concede that it has intelligence.

The definition of God is a supernatural cause with intelligance. Therefore, God must exist.

So, your argument fails. Nice try though.

Yes youre taking it as low as it can get.

Dude you should reread this thread tomorrow and look at your own posts. Youre a fucking joke and now are blaming others for your own stupidity.

God invented the universe and man invented god.

LOL
Believing in ghosts does not require concession that there is a "higher power"

Your argument goes on from that flawed assumption.

Maybe "ghosts" can be explained by science as being in the brain. Like deja vu experiences.
When an event happens, the brain logs it instantly as current, and in memory. So in deja vu experiences, the brain accidently recalls the event from the memory it just stored, instead of real time, hence the feeling that it's "happened before".

Ahh. I should have know you'd come at anyone with an ounce of sense with your foolish namecallings. You are an argumentative little pissant, aren't you toxed? :1orglaugh


Who said anything about a real or fake issue? Think.

I said the underlying issue on this kind of topic is one of a lack of respect, and it obviously shows through loud and clear in your juvenile response to me. I submit to you that you may want to look in the mirror the next time you utter the word "moron". :thumbsup

I beleive that there is a God. There has to be! Just look around. Something divine had to of put this all together. The big bang theory just does not fit in my opinion.

However, I hate religion. Religion will find a way to fuck up even the most wonderful of things. Religon even fucked up God.

You said "the real issue is......"

Your post didnt really have anything to do with this thread.

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I said the underlying issue on this kind of topic is one of a lack of respect, and it obviously shows through loud and clear in your juvenile response to me. I submit to you that you may want to look in the mirror the next time you utter the word "moron". :thumbsup

Who said I dont respect anyone who believes in god? Because I call them a moron? hmmm so YOU are making stupid assumptions now.

It already is explained why people "think" they see ghosts. It can be tons of different reasons. There also absolutely no evidence whatsoever ghosts exist. The only people who believe in ghosts are the people who WANT to believe in ghosts.

The ghosts = believing in God is ignorant.





"I currently distinguish between the supernatural and the paranormal.

* The supernatural is always seen as an intervention in the natural course of nature, and thus presupposes the existence of sentient beings wilfully doing the intervening.

* The paranormal consists of alleged occurrences or powers which, if actual, cannot be explained by our current understanding of physics.

This distinction, I think, is the key to addressing this question.

* The supernatural posits sentient agents who are somehow "above" or "beyond" nature (or whatever), who have the ability to alter the very ways in which nature would ordinarily work if these agents had chosen to sit back and watch rather than get involved.

* The paranormal does not necessarily posit any explanation, but simply suspects that we don't know everything about nature. In other words, the paranormal eventually wants to be considered "normal" or "natural" -- once we have learned more about nature.

Yo moronmaster...ever gonna answer me?

I explained how my post pertains to the discussion.

Yes, calling someone a moron for their beliefs bespeaks loads of respect.


You are a pathetic troll. Perhaps the person who hired you is the real moron here.

Yeah, if you want to see something, your brain is all lubed up and ready. Certainly possible.
Also same thing for those out of body experiences people report in hospitals.

So really, it has nothing to do with faith or a belief in god of one kind or the other.

There is evidence to suggest that Bigfoot exists, yet believers are often ridiculed and will continue to be ridiculed until a Bigfoot is presented to the public.

There is evidence to suggest extraterrestrial life exists, yet believers are often ridiculed and will continue to be ridiculed until an alien is presented to the public.

There is no evidence to suggest god exists, yet believers want us to live our lives according to rules they claim god has imposed on us. Why not ridicule them as well?

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."
- Richard Dawkins

"It is an interesting and demonstrable fact, that all children are atheists and were religion not inculcated into their minds, they would remain so."
- Ernestine Rose

Perhaps no one has hired me and I am completely capable of making a living without the help of an employer?

This is the kind of stuff I wanted when I started this thread! Thanks

So true.

I never said you were an idiot for claiming that god did not create life. I said you were an idiot for making idiotic statements, the above not necessarily being one of them.

Notice that the topic of this thread is about proving that god DOES NOT exist. Anyone with any background in science will tell you that this is a stupid claim to make. It is scientifically IMPOSSIBLE to prove that something does NOT exist.

In order for your belief to be sustained, you need to show that evolution is a credible theory of the origin of life. I will submit to you that while there is abundant evidence that species evolve at the micro level, there is none which suggests that species evolve at the macro level.

The claim that man started out as a simple strand of self-replicating DNA in some warm pond (or a strand or RNA if you buy into the latest theories), is a complete joke. This is the part of evolution they don't tell you about in high school biology.

Even more of a challenge for the evolutionist is proving that this single strand of DNA or RNA was produced by chance (without a cause). Statistics can prove that there is a better chance that a strong wind could blow through a junkyard and perfectly assemble all the junk into a 747.

If chance did not create life, what did?

No... he wont. He still owes me an answer on how 60% of net is more then 10% of gross from another thread.

Boobmaster... knows alittle about everything... "master" of none.

:1orglaugh

I consider myself an agnostic (an agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as God and the future life with which Christianity and other religions are concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present time)

For me it's clear that God exist when i read about some human achivements throughout the history or when i ackowledge a "miracle"... but on the other hand i strongly question the existance of God when i think in terms of supra-human concepts, like galaxies millions of light years away, black wholes, etc. Isn't God small or futile when you think of that?

Considering all, my closest definition to what God is, will be a human need to fail to understand the concept of death and what's beyond that. Simple put, we can't accept the fact that our lives will end at some point and we can't know what's next. So, we create this ruler which gives our lives meaning & security forever and more important, controls what's "bad" or "wrong" (this concept, by the fact that God is not present, will set the grounds for the creation of religions to administer/communicate that hidden power... and everyone beneath it).

Also, God could be a response to our sense of loneliness. We also can't accept the fact that we are completely alone in the universe and we need "something to watch over us forever".

You don't know how the universe started, so a god must have created it? Mushrooms grow at the end of my garden, but only in one spot. I have no idea why, so should I belive that the pixies planted them there?

Perhaps god does exist.

Send us your money and you will get into heaven. JESUS LOVES YOU.

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First of all, stop putting words into my mouth. No one said we are looking for proof god doesnt exist.

word :thumbsup

Really, so which god are your referring to? Did you mean God?

The quoted post is proof that boobmaster will get bitchslapped by me if I ever see him.

You are too much.

Yet another "I don't know the answer so it must have been a god" copout. Evolution is both fact and theory with copious amounts of evidence to support it, but has yet to provide all the answers.

Creationism is a theory with NO evidence to support it, but claims to provide ALL the answers.

The one everybody is talking about. You know, the popular one.

argument and proof are 2 different words

Some things are just so simple I dont realize I have to explain them to you.

Kind of depends on which religion you pick

Usually that means theres a dead log under your grass below the 'shrooms. Sign of a healthy bit of land.

Good quotes, except that these days, people see "atheist" and it's almost a dirty word. One of my brothers calls himself a "non-theist".

The important question is... what kind of shrooms? :1orglaugh

Thankyou for providing an answer. I now consider you my God :thumbsup

I sure am. Thanks for pointing that out friend.

LOL, remember, tithing is 10% of GROSS income, not net income :1orglaugh