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Nysus · 07-17-2004, 03:36 PM

If you send your surfer's to a quality site that has quality content, does not play billing tricks, updates as they say, then your surfers will be happy and your sales will reflect that.

Obviously it's impossible for an individual to review each and every paysite out there to know if they're full of crap or not.

I suggest using one of the many paysite review sites for surfers, and use it for your own guide of what paysites to promote.

Here are two that come to mind..

http://www.adultsitesurfer.com
http://www.thebestporn.com

Cheers,
Matt

ShellyCrash · 07-17-2004, 03:37 PM

The people who run best porn are really awesome.

SleazyDream · 07-17-2004, 03:39 PM

idiot

Nysus · 07-17-2004, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
idiot

Scott,

You go on a little rant about billing tricks and empty members areas and wanting the industry to start to clean itself up.

I offered a suggestion (a good suggestion in my opinion) to help your cause of cleansing the industry, and you act like this.

Oh, and thanks for bumping the thread.

Cheers,
Matt

project_naughty · 07-17-2004, 03:50 PM

Constructive criticism is good, so bumpity bump.

italianninja · 07-17-2004, 03:52 PM

pxxx · 07-17-2004, 03:57 PM

Nice info Matt, this can really help some people out. Thanks for sharing and adding onto what Sleazy mentioned earlier.

WiredGuy · 07-17-2004, 04:03 PM

Last time I heard Paysite Review traffic has really bad retentions, converts well but retentions are rather poor.

WG

Gel · 07-17-2004, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
idiot

Why do you say that?

Elli · 07-17-2004, 04:26 PM

That is a very good idea, but keep in mind some review sites offer "ads" more than reviews.

SleazyDream · 07-17-2004, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nysus
Scott,

You go on a little rant about billing tricks and empty members areas and wanting the industry to start to clean itself up.

I offered a suggestion (a good suggestion in my opinion) to help your cause of cleansing the industry, and you act like this.

Oh, and thanks for bumping the thread.

Cheers,
Matt

idiot

quiet · 07-17-2004, 05:45 PM

polish_aristocrat · 07-17-2004, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Last time I heard Paysite Review traffic has really bad retentions, converts well but retentions are rather poor.

WG

Your comment wasnt related to the thread, but you're probably right.

Paysite review traffic = educated surfers, good aware of the billing process. And even if Sleazy may say that good product doesnt need shady billing practices, its obvious that a very experiencesd surfer who has 20 high quality teen paysites listed on the review site, wont probably stay a member on one of them for a long time. He wil rather sign up for a trial, cancel, downlaod the content and then join another high rated paysite in his favorite category.

And whis would explain why review site traffic has poor retention...

Drake · 07-17-2004, 06:05 PM

Review sites are a great idea but in practice I'm more skeptical. Advertising money/deals, affiliation with site owners, and the need to sell memberships just like a normal paysite can lead to inflated rankings.

I've read reviews where the description would lead you to believe a site is not even worth joining but gets a 76/100 ranking. That's conventionally a B to a B+ grade. There is also great discrepancy between the rankings from one review site to another.

I never thought about the retention issue until others here just pointed it out. I don't know if that's true but does appear logical that the informed user coming from a review site will probably join trials on numerous sites instead of becoming a loyal member to any particular one.

I'm sure it has it's benefits too and I wouldn't count review sites out. Just looking at it strictly from a business standpoint.

Drake · 07-17-2004, 06:13 PM

One thing I can say, from a webmaster point of view, is that Review sites offer a convenient way for Webmasters to find out about the pros and cons of other sites similiar to your own and you can use this information to improve your own sites.

Serge Litehead · 07-17-2004, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by Mike33

I never thought about the retention issue until others here just pointed it out. I don't know if that's true but does appear logical that the informed user coming from a review site will probably join trials on numerous sites instead of becoming a loyal member to any particular one.

basically you're saying that a review is not matching what's in the members area? or the educated surfers finds himself wanting something else after joining a site?

WiredGuy · 07-17-2004, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
Your comment wasnt related to the thread, but you're probably right.

The example Nysus gave was related to paysite reviews so that's why I posted my thoughts...

WG

Drake · 07-17-2004, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by holograph
basically you're saying that a review is not matching what's in the members area? or the educated surfers finds himself wanting something else after joining a site?

I'm not sure. The statement was in reference to polish_aristocrat's and wiredguy's remarks about retention. I'm not sure if it effects retention or not. Trying to look at it from a surfers standpoint, if I was a surfer and I came to a Review site, I immediately believe I have access to the best sites on the net because I can look at all the top rated sites. Instead of joining one of them, why not join using the trial membership on multiple high ranked sites, nevermind staying at one. Curiousity alone would probably lead to this. But does that mean retention is reduced? I guess not if the surfer finds a site that he really likes, but your site better be good because he has lots of others to choose from at any given time.

jayeff · 07-17-2004, 07:15 PM

I guess not too many people have visited many of the top "quality" sites, because very few of them run trials. Although I'm sure some do, I can't think of any off the top of my head.

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Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Start Educating Webmasters... If you send your surfer's to a quality site that has quality content, does not play billing tricks, updates as they say, then your surfers will be happy and your sales will reflect that. Obviously it's impossible for an individual to review each and every paysite out there to know if they're full of crap or not. I suggest using one of the many paysite review sites for surfers, and use it for your own guide of what paysites to promote. Here are two that come to mind.. http://www.adultsitesurfer.com http://www.thebestporn.com Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

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Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Review sites are a great idea but in practice I'm more skeptical. Advertising money/deals, affiliation with site owners, and the need to sell memberships just like a normal paysite can lead to inflated rankings. I've read reviews where the description would lead you to believe a site is not even worth joining but gets a 76/100 ranking. That's conventionally a B to a B+ grade. There is also great discrepancy between the rankings from one review site to another. I never thought about the retention issue until others here just pointed it out. I don't know if that's true but does appear logical that the informed user coming from a review site will probably join trials on numerous sites instead of becoming a loyal member to any particular one. I'm sure it has it's benefits too and I wouldn't count review sites out. Just looking at it strictly from a business standpoint. Last edited by Drake; 07-17-2004 at 06:06 PM..

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Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	One thing I can say, from a webmaster point of view, is that Review sites offer a convenient way for Webmasters to find out about the pros and cons of other sites similiar to your own and you can use this information to improve your own sites.

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jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	I guess not too many people have visited many of the top "quality" sites, because very few of them run trials. Although I'm sure some do, I can't think of any off the top of my head.