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Old 07-17-2004, 09:42 AM   #1
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Abu Ghraib: Soldiers Sodomized Young Iraqis (that's butt fucked, moron)

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In a nutshell, the guy that broke the abuse (read: torture) story says he has video of US soldiers sexually abusing/raping young Iraqi males in the prison.

"Young male prisoners were filmed being sodomised by American soldiers at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, according to the journalist who first revealed the abuses there.

Seymour Hersh, who reported on the torture of the prisoners in New Yorker magazine in May, told an audience in San Francisco that "it's worse". But he added that he would reveal the extent of the abuses: "I'm not done reporting on all this," he told a meeting of the American Civil Liberties Union.

He said: "The boys were sodomised with the cameras rolling, and the worst part is the soundtrack, of the boys shrieking. And this is your government at war."

He accused the US administration, and all but accused President George Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney of complicity in covering up what he called "war crimes". "

Reputable publications have previously reported on Iraqi women getting raped and even becoming pregnant. This part of the story has been mostly buried and kept hushed up in the media. (like this one in the Village Voice but there's plenty more just a google away).
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Old 07-17-2004, 10:03 AM   #2
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soldiers love the child ass.

always have.

why else do you think they like to group together, play manly, and shower together.

this homosexual behavior begins at an early age.
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Old 07-17-2004, 10:04 AM   #3
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Old 07-17-2004, 10:06 AM   #5
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Old 07-17-2004, 10:07 AM   #6
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Old 07-17-2004, 10:11 AM   #7
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my outfit in Viet Nam we didn't have that problem.
we didn't take prisoners.
lot less trouble.
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Old 07-17-2004, 10:13 AM   #8
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wonder what else is not being reported over there
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Makes you wonder what happened when cameras wern't around?
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for you people that have not been following this, i have been throwing links to Iraqi rape since they have been reporting it.

your american soldiers are

a. male soldiers are raping female soldiers in iraq.
b. male soldiers are raping iraqi boys in iraq.
c. male soldiers are raping iraqi women and children.

this is nothing new.

it happens in many wars. and iraq is no exception.

it happened in Okinawa (still happening) and soldiers routinely rape continuously throughout the world.
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I bet its happening with almost any military group out there.

And besides, its not like Condi, Cheney, W. and Rummy got together in a room with out powell and said "Lets have some of our boys rape some of theirs".

Its nice that no matter what ammount of good is being done there (and no matter who the fuck you are, you have to admit that there is some good being done...) everyone wants to focus on the bad.
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thank god i'm not in the army...
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Old 07-17-2004, 10:40 AM   #17
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for you people that have not been following this, i have been throwing links to Iraqi rape since they have been reporting it.

your american soldiers are

a. male soldiers are raping female soldiers in iraq.
b. male soldiers are raping iraqi boys in iraq.
c. male soldiers are raping iraqi women and children.

this is nothing new.

it happens in many wars. and iraq is no exception.

it happened in Okinawa (still happening) and soldiers routinely rape continuously throughout the world.
That's true. Rape is a tool of war. Raping and pillaging have been the promised rewards of solidiers since war began.

America - Rape Nation is an article at Alternet about rape of women in the military by the male soldiers.

excerpt:

"When you are a new woman walking onto a military base, you are like a deer and it's deer hunting season, but you don't know it," she said. "You think you can trust these people, you believe in the mission you are on together."
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Old 07-17-2004, 10:52 AM   #18
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for you people that have not been following this, i have been throwing links to Iraqi rape since they have been reporting it.

your american soldiers are

a. male soldiers are raping female soldiers in iraq.
b. male soldiers are raping iraqi boys in iraq.
c. male soldiers are raping iraqi women and children.

this is nothing new.

it happens in many wars. and iraq is no exception.

it happened in Okinawa (still happening) and soldiers routinely rape continuously throughout the world.
Rape and plunder / looting have been a part of every war, and once upon a time were considered one of the "perks" of soldiering, a dangerous, low-paying occupation.

War, rape, torture, looting... as much as some of us would like to doubt it... are a part of human nature. That doesn't make it OK, but they can be expected in any war.

Edit: and by ANY army. Not just the U.S.
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Rape and plunder / looting have been a part of every war, and once upon a time were considered one of the "perks" of soldiering, a dangerous, low-paying occupation.

War, rape, torture, looting... as much as some of us would like to doubt it... are a part of human nature. That doesn't make it OK, but they can be expected in any war.

Edit: and by ANY army. Not just the U.S.
yeah and our soldiers like em young.

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Seems the US Liberation Troops wanted a bit of rape-action before closing the so-called " Saddam rape rooms " ....
Iraqis just changed dictator for a foreign one.
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Old 07-17-2004, 11:41 AM   #21
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Its nice that no matter what ammount of good is being done there (and no matter who the fuck you are, you have to admit that there is some good being done...) everyone wants to focus on the bad.
That sounds like a Saddam quote, "No matter how much good I do, the Americans just want to focus on the bad."
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well, this does not happen on a large scale.

there are some sociological forces at play.

currently the USA has an all-volunteer army. who volunteers? usually the guys with the least alternative opportunities, the least education, the least "breeding".

and in that milieu you will get a few sociopaths.

on the other hand you rarely hear of this sort of shit from the british army.

at least in the last few hundred years. the brits are very proper, and civil---personally i've never read of a report of a british soldier involved in shit like this.

so it is not universal behavior with all soldiers in all wars.
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Ah.. the "real truth" has started surfacing at last!

Was waiting on this and a lot more. Tho I doubt some of it will actually reach the stage of being published.

About two months ago I was "priviledged" (tho duboius word!) to see some images shot in both Afghanistan and Iraq by a friend who is a war photographer. This material was being hand-processed for extra safety since it was almost a year's work in both these countries.

These images were not in any prison, but all over the place. Many were "nice" images, but the "others" were a fucking horror story and it was these images that "stuck".

It's not my place to be specific about the nature of them - the images are not my property, - but they do hit on the realms of what can only be described as torture and murder. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that some people need shot on sight for what are clearly war crimes. Seeing this material, tho I'm not an advocate of capital punishment - it sure makes a good case for it.

There are "other issues" going on and, least in the immediate future, I doubt this material will be published, - but will be some day. It took five years after Vietnam before Time had the guts to use some of this guy's material on a cover.

This conduct also makes a reasonable case for the indictment of the instigators and those in command of this US adventure - it's little surprise they were opposed to the International Criminal Court. Their day will come
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Some trust these guys with the management of the country - especially these day's, it's "Just trust me".

I would not trust them with one dime - their track record fully supports this.

There is no thought on ever considering to trust them with children...
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Some trust these guys with the management of the country - especially these day's, it's "Just trust me".

I would not trust them with one dime - their track record fully supports this.

There is no thought on ever considering to trust them with children...
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Was thinking just that!

There is an accquired aura of being "untouchable", wrapped in a cocoon of power. This is supported by a false security in wealth.

It only takes one incident in a day to totally crumble the empire

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Who? :

You mean a couple of bits of shit who need indicted?
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Was thinking just that!

There is an accquired aura of being "untouchable", wrapped in a cocoon of power. This is supported by a false security in wealth.

It only takes one incident in a day to totally crumble the empire

Yep. Seymour Hersh knows all about that.

I'm waiting for Dubya's Greg Stillson moment.
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In a nutshell, the guy that broke the abuse (read: torture) story says he has video of US soldiers sexually abusing/raping young Iraqi males in the prison.

"Young male prisoners were filmed being sodomised by American soldiers at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, according to the journalist who first revealed the abuses there.

Seymour Hersh, who reported on the torture of the prisoners in New Yorker magazine in May, told an audience in San Francisco that "it's worse". But he added that he would reveal the extent of the abuses: "I'm not done reporting on all this," he told a meeting of the American Civil Liberties Union.

He said: "The boys were sodomised with the cameras rolling, and the worst part is the soundtrack, of the boys shrieking. And this is your government at war."

He accused the US administration, and all but accused President George Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney of complicity in covering up what he called "war crimes". "

Reputable publications have previously reported on Iraqi women getting raped and even becoming pregnant. This part of the story has been mostly buried and kept hushed up in the media. (like this one in the Village Voice but there's plenty more just a google away).

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