Never gonna happen. You think I'm gonna give out Tawnee Stone's real name and home address?

I think you meant do and your very right. The people I worry for are the amatuers who follow none of this , running a porn site out of their house. They have no 2257 on their site or no address for records or when they come to the house to check it out and there are kids there. It will get ugly. I say if they really enforce this , 30 % of herd will be gone by next year. Most will leave because of fear after a few arrests.

well... here's our chance to say something.

Written comments must be received on or before August 24, 2004.

Comments submitted electronically must include Docket No.
CRM 103 in the subject box

email address [email protected]

Then you will have to change your business model and bring marketing all in house. Your affiliates start going to jail , you will lose them all anyway. There isnt a thats not fair defense in court.

Word

exactly, that's what I said at the start of all this and why I haven't kept up with it. If this law worked the way everyone is saying it will.. It's nothing but a serious invasion of privacy to the models. There is no way in hell it could stand up in a court of law if a model or content producer took it on.

They can't make a content provider hand over a models personal information to anyone that asks.

The kicker to the whole proposed record-keeping changes is that they never check on records NOW with the old requirements.

Does anyone know of a case where theres been an inspection of records? If so, was it a content producers studio?

They dont care about models ,they are protecting children. Also they can say if you dont carefully filter who you do business with thats your problem. Your fear that you trust no one backs up what they say anyway. That we are all slime . lol

Not only is the Government gonna look at you and ask you for model releases and IDs. Consider this straight from the horses mouth. Ive sat in on many meetings within the adult studio industry (CHATSWORTH, CA) over the last 60 days or so. If you don't have a license for adult studios dvd content, clips, pictures, thumbs, whatever, they are going to start cracking down on internet content fraud and starting filing suit against the web community. So get your licenses and model IDs ready. If your operating within the law and have all your proper paperwork together like many do you have nothing to worry about. Just letting you know they are taking this very seriously now. Talk to you soon.

Tim

I think it would be iffy... invasion of privacy yes.. but they are only asking you to keep name and age.

"The legal name and date of birth of each performer, obtained by the producer's examination of an identification document"

It would likely be safe to black out any other personal info.

"At the same time, a requirement is proposed to
be added that the identification card used to verify identification by the producer must be independently accessible by government entities in order to ensure its legitimacy. Thus, driver's licenses--which are routinely accessed through the States' departments that manage such licensing and motor vehicle registration--are a prime form of identification. "

According to this piece of proposed legislation USA webmasters will only be able to deal with content providers that can provide them with a USA drivers license or other approved ID document than can be accessed by government entities.

No it wouldnt they have to be able to trace the document back to its government agency. So the drivers license number must be seen to be traced back to the dept of motor vehicles.

"government entities" does not explicitly say US gov't. I think it implies any gov't? Otherwise.... that means you can only use US produced content as well.

Good point... could get messy.

I was just thinking the same thing regarding Chelsea ,.,.
She is a popular model for us and all I need is some weird surfer signup to the affiliate programs and get her name and address. When she is killed who do I complian to? The Government who established this law?

If they have questions regarding any of our models they can call us, when we sell content we always ad her photo ID with all vital info except the birthdate blacked out and our toll free number.

Ah, this sounds like fun.

I am so glad we did all that stuff way back when we started. I guess its time to go thru all my modelreleases again, double check and cross check with all urls and attach then to the Model release forms.

ah, yeah,, I have no life lol

Its not your choice its the law. lol

This is a USA law so it would be USA Government entities. The USA can't decide on laws for the rest of the World. So lets say I shoot a set in Australia and I have the models Australian drivers license available how will the USA authorities that are investigating a site with this specific set be able to access the Australian drivers license database to check up on the validity of it?

I have a problem with the models personal information such as real name and address being available to just anyone. All it would take for some sicko is to pick out a girl he likes, pay the $30 bucks the set costs and bingo...he has all of her personal information to harass her. With the amount of sicko's on the net I can see this happening. Now you might say that the average joe wouldn't know this is all you have to do....but some of these guys who get facinated with a girl go to any lengths and try anything to find out who the girl actually is. I'm sure many of you have seen people join this board....giving a URL to a picture and asking anyone if they have information on the model. Well if they found GFY and figured out this might be the place to ask...they can go the next step. Scary shit!

Holy shit....But if the woman is CLEARLY an old skank, why in the fuck would someone try to put you in jail for that shit unless there was a personal vendetta against you..

I can't see a jury sending someone to jail for posting pics of a skank that is CLEARLY in her thirties.

Alright, say it's not a skank. Are you planning on making bank off skanks? Say it's a picture of someone like Christine Young or Little April.

They cant prosecute you for child porn unless you create the image. I dont see anyway you could go to jail if you bought the content from someone else or someone produced it.

Unless they could prove you knowlingly did it, in which case you deserve jail lol.



Thats my :2 cents:

Did you even comprehend what I wrote before you posted that? I said OLD. I'm not talking about the money made on it because that's not the fucking point...the POINT is that Rochard was saying how someone can throw you in jail over some age verification records IN SPITE OF the woman being 30 years old.

So if it was a picture of someone like Christine Young or Little April, my statement wouldn't even fucking apply would it?

Pardon me, I misread.

I bet your mother is proud of that attitude you have. :2 cents:

The models don't live in our offices and I need to give out their real name and home address to everyone in the industry?

I don't have all of my files with me tonight - they are at the Lightspeed Offices - but it says somewhere in there "or a US State Department Approved ID or Passport".

I know what I'm going to do...bury my head in the sand and hope no one notices me.

That's just it! It doesn't matter how old the model looks or is, they can put you away for sloppy bookkeeping at this point.

(b) Picture identification card means a document issued by the United States, a State government or a political subdivision thereof, or a United States territory that bears the photograph and the name of the individual identified, and provides sufficient specific information that it can be accessed from the issuing authority, e.g., a passport issued by the United States or a foreign country, driver?s license issued by a State or the District of Columbia, or identification card issued by a State or the District of Columbia.

What I don't understand is the part about a passport from a foreign country. How are USA authorities going to access this information or are they refering to a foreign model working in the USA and they have his/her foreign passport info on record. I can't see how all the countries in the world are going to allow USA authorities to access their citizens info.

If they are your affiliates and promote your sites with pictures of your models. They have to a full model release, the justice department doesnt give a shit about your models . So 10,000 affiliates your sending off 10,000 model release packets if they are using images covered under 2257.In fact they probably hope this will discourage girls from doing porn.

They cant just put you away there is still due process. They will go for easy wins first. Young looking teen sites with sloppy bookkeeping are better targets than mlif sites with sloppy bookkeeping.

My attitude comes from arrogance and a high IQ....Plus I'll never pass up a chance to tell a white woman off if she comes at me wrong :Graucho

THE SKY IS FALLING!

we should refer content producers to him so he can handle all the 2257 requirements for us as it says in the new proposed laws that the information can be electronic in addition to on paper

I came at you wrong? M'kay. I'll be sure to have my kid gloves on hand next time.

This industry as a whole has refused to organise itself, found countless excuses not to come together and now we are seeing the results.

Many are not even going to the website provided to register comments about the new law, claiming it will make them a target, well I got news for you. If you are in the US you are already a target.

Chances of this industry coming together and forming an effective union to represent us and fight for us are less than my chances of shutting up and telling how I see it.

We got targetted by Acacia purely because of the way we are disorganised, we only are in a position of winning that one because of the brave stand a few took. It's still not won and how many have given to the fight to make sure we have the money to win?

So chances of this industry overturning the US goverment are.......

I say we because I still feel part of this, even though the passing of this law will help me and hurt others in the same part of the business as me.

I have always given out 2257 info and always campaigned that buyers should insist on recieving it and checking it. Seems a lot who argued the point against me are red faced now.

Assume this is going to go through, unless a lot of people start pointing out the stupidity of the changes.

The original 2257 law was a shambles and never used, this one is a straight jacket designed to be used prior to the election to show what a good guy Ash hahahahaha is and what a good job he's doing protecting children.

Truth is by the time it's tested in court and the reprocussions are known he will be out of office or re-elected and won't give a shit.

Anyone advising that you sit back and wait until the law is passed, before getting your 2257 documents in order. I dangerous, especially if that person is a brokier naming others as Custodian of Records who are God knows where. Which shows how bad the original law was and how it needed changing.

Who can name the content provider who lists a dead man as a Custodian of records? And don't ask me to tell you, you're pornographers and YOU are the ones who should know.

Not to everyone who asks, but everyone who publishes porn on the Internet.

Otherwise how does the publisher know he's not publishing and underage girl and what measures is he taking to make sure the content is legal?

I can't see in the new ammendments where it says you have to give out a models address. But privacy of models was one of points I raised in my comment to the DOJ, the other was the impact this would have on the US industry and the effect would probably cost over $100,000,000 which they think it will not.

If these laws go through as they are it will cripple the US Adult Internet Industry, Because the off shore businesses will fill the void.

Guess what? This is just another form of harrassment courtesy of the Bush administration.........long term? This law won't hold up due to invasion of privacy etc. Short term? Will have everyone scrambling.

Leave it to fuckface Bush and John Asshead.

I doubt that a third party having the papers and you only linking to some electronic information is sufficient. I think this just means you can have an electronic copy that makes it easier for them to check it without having to send around all the stuff, but I don't think it will replace the requirement of having the papers stored physically by YOURSELF.

They didn't come up with this law to protect anyone, it's not about protecting children, it's clearly about hurting the online porn industry...even if they want to make you think it's not.

I think it blows... but what CAN be done? While this affects all the magazines as well, they're probably already compliant. Who will lead a fight against this bill, and who will lead it? Who will fund it?