Did you see Fahrenheit 9/11 ? What was the most Shocking part to you ?

[mahoney]

So I saw Fahrenheit 9/11 this weekend. All the info was a bit overwhelming and i would really like to see it again and take notes to fully digest it.

I guess the most Shocking parts to me was that Bush Let Bin Ladens Family fly out soon after 9-11. That made no sense to me or the former FBI Agent interviewed.

Also, the fact that Bush Blacked out parts of His Millitary Record seemed very deceptive.

Before seeing this movie i really thought Bush had some valid reasons for going to war but now i just don't trust him.

What do you think ?

[Trixie]

I don't know about most SHOCKING since I'd already heard about the stuff you mentioned, but hearing that Bush was on vacation 42% of the time in the months leading up to 9/11 was just disgusting to me. Also watching him in that classroom and getting the news of the planes hitting the towers and just sitting there like the fucking moron he is really disturbed me too. I also wanted to claw his eyes out when he was addressing his "base" as the haves . . . and the have mores (insert jolly pretentious shameless laughter).

[WWC]

Amazing Documentary!!!!

Michael Moore rocks!!!

He should be president :-)

The most shocking part was the receipt for all those private jets Bush hired to get all the Bin Laden families and friends out of the US....right after the attacks...

[The Truth Hurts]

the most shocking thing is that people actually buy into Michael Moores brand of reporting...

He's the Rush for the left, they're both blinded by hatred and/or stupidity.

[NickHimself34]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
the most shocking thing is that people actually buy into Michael Moores brand of reporting...

Agreed. People are too quick to swallow everything they hear whole.

Nick

[mahoney]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
the most shocking thing is that people actually buy into Michael Moores brand of reporting...

He's the Rush for the left, they're both blinded by hatred and/or stupidity.

Have you seen the movie ? IT's mostly undisputable facts and not a whole lot of opinon. Would you say the Moore is a Communist ?

[mahoney]

Originally posted by Trixie
I don't know about most SHOCKING since I'd already heard about the stuff you mentioned, but hearing that Bush was on vacation 42% of the time in the months leading up to 9/11 was just disgusting to me. Also watching him in that classroom and getting the news of the planes hitting the towers and just sitting there like the fucking moron he is really disturbed me too. I also wanted to claw his eyes out when he was addressing his "base" as the haves . . . and the have mores (insert jolly pretentious shameless laughter).

Yeah Bush being on Vacation didn't look good especially when they showed that the Reports on Bin Laden were delivered to him while on Vacation.

Bush sitting there for several minutes didn't look good but at the same time i think he was just trying to compose himself and figure out what the fuck to do.

I don't remember the "haves" and "have nots" Must of been getting popcorn. Refresh my Memory. By the way i wouldn't be surpirsed if Bush magically finds Bin Laden Right before Election time. IF i were Bush i wouldn;t want to be president anymore

[AWC]

The most shocking thing about this movie is why anyone would pay to see it.

[gezzed]

I'm gonna have to agree with "Truth", Michael Moore's movies tend to be quite biased and sneaky.

For those of you who saw Bowling for Columbine, this will be an interesting read for you:
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Farenheit 9/11 seems so unfocused. Moore just got mad that Bush told him to get a real job; this is his way of getting revenge.

Although I'm not against people being critical of leaders (actually I think that's very important), I am against using misleading facts and editting techniques to try and get people in a frenzy.

[Phoenix]

the most shocking part is where bush tossed out like 30k votes at a time...and there members of congress went before all gore adn the like to try and get the votes counted



no one would back them up...lol


Bush is a thief..he knew he had to get rid of the black vote or else he would never even be close.

say what you will...but that boy needs to be brought down

[Moose]

Most shocking this is people think it is "shocking"


Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11

[hydro]

Originally posted by mahoney
Have you seen the movie ? IT's mostly undisputable facts and not a whole lot of opinon. Would you say the Moore is a Communist ?

i would call him a terrorist and a major threat to any buffet's finances.

Seriously though, he does point out alot of facts that the media has not focused on.

[zanycash Pete]

I need to go and see it! everyone I know already has! mostly they say it's funny!

[mahoney]

Originally posted by gezzed
I'm gonna have to agree with "Truth", Michael Moore's movies tend to be quite biased and sneaky.

For those of you who saw Bowling for Columbine, this will be an interesting read for you:
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Farenheit 9/11 seems so unfocused. Moore just got mad that Bush told him to get a real job; this is his way of getting revenge.

Although I'm not against people being critical of leaders (actually I think that's very important), I am against using misleading facts and editting techniques to try and get people in a frenzy.

Hmmm i will check this out. I would like to see someone argue each point one at a tiime. I didn't really feel like Moore was being deceptive. I felt like he reported the facts. Give me an example of how thats wrong

[gideongallery]

Originally posted by mahoney
Have you seen the movie ? IT's mostly undisputable facts and not a whole lot of opinon. Would you say the Moore is a Communist ?

just because they are facts does not mean they are the truth

Rice said
"Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It?s not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York.?



Moore deliberate cut out most of her statement
clipping her statement so she only said
"?Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. "

to give the false impression that Condoleezza Rice was lying about the connection between iraq and 9/11 instead of the exact opposite statement.

I think the current count of these types of propoganda type editing jobs is like 200+ currently

[KRL]

The Pentagon announced last week that Bush's military records were inadvertently destroyed.



If that doesn't say it all, I don't know what else does.

[Captain Canada]

Originally posted by AWC
The most shocking thing about this movie is why anyone would pay to see it.

I partly agree - I think the most shocking part is that people are paying money for what is considered to be common knowledge in most parts of the world. The way the US media pretends to be telling the truth is very interesting.

[ronbotx]

Originally posted by mahoney
Have you seen the movie ? IT's mostly undisputable facts and not a whole lot of opinon. Would you say the Moore is a Communist ?

The pathetic thing is how all the lefty dimwits accept this movie as fact..... It is a bigger fantasy than Lord of the Rings.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/

[mahoney]

Originally posted by gideongallery
just because they are facts does not mean they are the truth

Rice said
"Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It?s not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York.?



Moore deliberate cut out most of her statement
clipping her statement so she only said
"?Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. "

to give the false impression that Condoleezza Rice was lying about the connection between iraq and 9/11 instead of the exact opposite statement.

I think the current count of these types of propoganda type editing jobs is like 200+ currently

Yeah i think Moore might be guilty of clipping here and there but not to the point where it total BS. You haven't seen this movie yet have you ?

[TurboTrucker]

The most shocking part to me is that people would actually pay to go see it.

[Hollywood Horwitz]

there was many shocking aspects of the movie. I was so upset after seeing the movie that i had to take out my anger on my drum kit,needless to say i rocked out with my cock out.

MM is pure genius!

[WWC-Moe B.]

it was interesting movie... i dont care for Bush and Kerry, however i think that if there is a director out there who loves Bush then he can come up with a movie that tell all the good stuff then i think we would all love him.... just an opinion

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by mahoney
Have you seen the movie ?

yes, it's on the shelf right behind me...

[tyler86ed]

Originally posted by Trixie
I don't know about most SHOCKING since I'd already heard about the stuff you mentioned, but hearing that Bush was on vacation 42% of the time in the months leading up to 9/11 was just disgusting to me. Also watching him in that classroom and getting the news of the planes hitting the towers and just sitting there like the fucking moron he is really disturbed me too. I also wanted to claw his eyes out when he was addressing his "base" as the haves . . . and the have mores (insert jolly pretentious shameless laughter).

You just Michael Moored that fact right there on the 42%. Its what the Washington post reported, and I'm sure they are correct. right?

I did see the movie and was very impressed on his ability to manipulate and control the audience. I don't agree with his views 100% but it was very interesting to watch. He is a master of manipulation and divulging only what information he has to harm. Obviously if you were followed around with a camera for 4 years you would probably say some stupid shit, or something that someone can take and misconstrue into some sort of clip. All those clips spliced together really did make Bush look like a complete moron, but you have to understand the circumstances and how they are spliced together. You really have to walk into that movie knowing that someone is going to try and brain wash you.

I went with my girlfriend and her airhead college friends and they all bit, hook line and sinker. Its unbelievable. They all said they were going to vote against bush now because of the 2 hour "Movie" they just watched.

My heart goes out to the families he violated to prove his point.

[swoop]

Originally posted by gezzed
I'm gonna have to agree with "Truth", Michael Moore's movies tend to be quite biased and sneaky.

For those of you who saw Bowling for Columbine, this will be an interesting read for you:
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Farenheit 9/11 seems so unfocused. Moore just got mad that Bush told him to get a real job; this is his way of getting revenge.

Although I'm not against people being critical of leaders (actually I think that's very important), I am against using misleading facts and editting techniques to try and get people in a frenzy.

Agreed. Shocking how some watch a movie and believe, "yep this is 100% the truth" without investigating if it is really true or not. Now should everyone have or will do this? No, but if I'm going to see a movie on one of the most horrifying days that I'll be apart of, I'd wish someone would create the movie to be 100% truthful and not be so much of an agenda just because he wants people to believe these are the facts.

[mahoney]

Originally posted by ronbotx
The pathetic thing is how all the lefty dimwits accept this movie as fact..... It is a bigger fantasy than Lord of the Rings.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/

ok well back it up then. Here are the Allegations. Explain to me how they are wrong. I DARE YOU
http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/

[STiNKyMeAT]

Originally posted by zanycash Pete
I need to go and see it! everyone I know already has! mostly they say it's funny!

There are some funny parts, but most of it isnt..... Watching a mother read her dead sons war letters, or watching soldiers get messed up in Iraq, that styuff isnt very funny.... The only time people laugh is when it shows Bush looking like a fool.

i left the theater infuriated and feeling a little sick.... I already have done my own research on the topics, and i'm not one to swallow everything that is told to me... but many of the things I saw on the screen confirmed the beliefes I already had. And my beliefes are that we are witnessing the final days of Democracy and Freedom. our founding fathers are rolling in their graves as we speak.

If you believe in democracy, and you dislike the things happening in our country, watch:

ORWELL ROLLS IN HIS GRAVE

it's an amazing documentary... The peopel who speak are all very creditable people, and they have some amazing things to say about the corporate/media/money epidemic that si taking place in America's government.

[doober]

Originally posted by KRL
The Pentagon announced last week that Bush's military records were inadvertently destroyed.



If that doesn't say it all, I don't know what else does.

I got a serious kick out of that one too....
Lmao and moore is the one labeled as "deceitful"
God Bless America

[KRL]

I can't believe people still support the Bush administration in this thread.

Man you guys are in such denial.

[mahoney]

Originally posted by doober
I got a serious kick out of that one too....
Lmao and moore is the one labeled as "deceitful"
God Bless America

Yeah no shit huh Explain that one to me Bush Supporters. By the way do you think Michael Moore get's laid ?
Perhaps he can buy some new clothes now

[marcu5]

Originally posted by Phoenix
the most shocking part is where bush tossed out like 30k votes at a time...and there members of congress went before all gore adn the like to try and get the votes counted



no one would back them up...lol


Bush is a thief..he knew he had to get rid of the black vote or else he would never even be close.

say what you will...but that boy needs to be brought down

that was definitely the most shocking part to me. That pretty much told me that the black vote will probably be eliminated again.

[Moose]

Originally posted by doober
I got a serious kick out of that one too....
Lmao and moore is the one labeled as "deceitful"
God Bless America

It was payroll records for 2 quarters, and they were destroyed while trying to salvage some damaged microfiche in 1997 along with several others records.

whats the big deal?

[swoop]

Originally posted by mahoney
ok well back it up then. Here are the Allegations. Explain to me how they are wrong. I DARE YOU
http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/

WOW "Factual" statements from Michael Moore's website....

How about the 'reasons' M.M. said the Afghan war was about a proposed pipeline deal with Uncoal, Moore mentions that the Taliban visited Texas while Bush was governor, over a possible pipeline deal with Unocal, the deal went bust in 1998 and had been supported by the Clinton administration.

So if this movie is 100% factual, why was it so easy to point out one falsehood.

[gideongallery]

Originally posted by mahoney
Yeah i think Moore might be guilty of clipping here and there but not to the point where it total BS. You haven't seen this movie yet have you ?

I both downloaded a copy of the movie, and went thru the transcript of the movie

I also owned bowling, until i found out all the deliberate misreprentations that were made in that movie.

[doober]

Originally posted by Moose
It was payroll records for 2 quarters, and they were destroyed while trying to salvage some damaged microfiche in 1997 along with several others records.

whats the big deal?

If you beleive that my friend, i have some great swamp side property to offer you at a low low price. Guranteed to triple your money in 3 mnths.

Best part is the timing also, perfect wasnt it?

MM has a copy of it and many americans got to see it because of him.
Now obviously the records he obtained and the ones the bush admin showed were slightly different.
Now are you going to tell me that MM altered his copy to make bush admin look stupid when they finally after alot of controversy let his records out?


Better yet, not as a republican or democrat. How about just some regular joe average....in your heart of hearts do you actually beleive he served?

[doober]

Originally posted by gideongallery
I both downloaded a copy of the movie, and went thru the transcript of the movie

I also owned bowling, until i found out all the deliberate misreprentations that were made in that movie.

regardless of how the facts are presented. Is america not a gun happy nation willing to back up their shit with bullets almost anytime?

[mahoney]

Originally posted by swoop
WOW "Factual" statements from Michael Moore's website....

How about the 'reasons' M.M. said the Afghan war was about a proposed pipeline deal with Uncoal, Moore mentions that the Taliban visited Texas while Bush was governor, over a possible pipeline deal with Unocal, the deal went bust in 1998 and had been supported by the Clinton administration.

So if this movie is 100% factual, why was it so easy to point out one falsehood.

so big deal that doesn't prove it's false. By the way I'm totally open to hear discussion and views on both sides hence this post.
Perhaps i'm not understanding what your trying to convey.

[IKE]

I saw it in LA and was shocked that movies are now $10!!!

Damn.

[piker]

Originally posted by Trixie
I don't know about most SHOCKING since I'd already heard about the stuff you mentioned, but hearing that Bush was on vacation 42% of the time in the months leading up to 9/11 was just disgusting to me. Also watching him in that classroom and getting the news of the planes hitting the towers and just sitting there like the fucking moron he is really disturbed me too. I also wanted to claw his eyes out when he was addressing his "base" as the haves . . . and the have mores (insert jolly pretentious shameless laughter).

What did you do? Sit and stare at the tube like the moron you are? or?

[swoop]

Originally posted by mahoney
so big deal that doesn't prove it's false. By the way I'm totally open to hear discussion and views on both sides hence this post.
Perhaps i'm not understanding what your trying to convey.

What I meant to say was that M.M. tells the audience is that the Afghan war was about a deal regarding a oil pipeline with Uncoal, but it can't be true because this deal with the Clinton Admin went bust back int '98.

[piker]

Originally posted by mahoney
so big deal that doesn't prove it's false. By the way I'm totally open to hear discussion and views on both sides hence this post.
Perhaps i'm not understanding what your trying to convey.

You aren't understanding because you dont want to listen to both sides. You just listen to the side that supports the view you want to believe for whatever reason.

For the people that don't know. Its been proven over and over that Michael Moore is dishonest in the way he edits his "documentary's". Why would you believe a liar calling another person a liar? Do your own research in the matter. If Bush going to war is about money for himself and his buddies. Don't you think there is a better way to make money silently? Do you really think Bush is an evil person trying to fuck over everyone but himself and his buddies? If so you people need some head checks or at least learn how to read and listen.

[marcu5]

Originally posted by piker
You aren't understanding because you dont want to listen to both sides. You just listen to the side that supports the view you want to believe for whatever reason.

Don't you think there is a better way to make money silently? Do you really think Bush is an evil person trying to fuck over everyone but himself and his buddies?

Can you think of a better way to make money than he has? Because for the life of me, I think him & Cheney both are probably cleaning fucking house right now.

[piker]

Originally posted by STiNKyMeAT
There are some funny parts, but most of it isnt..... Watching a mother read her dead sons war letters, or watching soldiers get messed up in Iraq, that styuff isnt very funny.... The only time people laugh is when it shows Bush looking like a fool.

I bet you didnt know that more people die of getting hit by a train in America then in the Iraq war. I guess we should abadon the train because it's to dangerous.

[Tom_PMs]

Whats most shocking is that the people on the right side of the political fence think that everybody who see's the movie believes Moore is a god or something. As if once exposed to the documentary, their power to think for themselves vanishes.

It's just a movie, and it's opinion. Think for yourselves, let others think for themselves, and let the chips fall where they may.

The Bush camp says theres more facts in Shrek 2. And they also say that if they want to see a piece of fiction, they'll go see Shrek 2.

Umm.. wait a minute

[piker]

Originally posted by marcu5
Can you think of a better way to make money than he has? Because for the life of me, I think him & Cheney both are probably cleaning fucking house right now.

Prove it that they are cleaning house. I bet its easier to to set up a few drug rings, and make a few people turn their heads then to have a whole nation talking about a war every day. But honestly, if its all about money how much money does one need? Yes, I'm sure the Adminstration is just a a bunch of sick indivduals trying to all make more money then they can spend in 10 lifetimes. Again, if you think this you need your head checked...

[Trixie]

Originally posted by tyler86ed
You just Michael Moored that fact right there on the 42%. Its what the Washington post reported, and I'm sure they are correct. right?

I did see the movie and was very impressed on his ability to manipulate and control the audience. I don't agree with his views 100% but it was very interesting to watch. He is a master of manipulation and divulging only what information he has to harm. Obviously if you were followed around with a camera for 4 years you would probably say some stupid shit, or something that someone can take and misconstrue into some sort of clip. All those clips spliced together really did make Bush look like a complete moron, but you have to understand the circumstances and how they are spliced together. You really have to walk into that movie knowing that someone is going to try and brain wash you.

I went with my girlfriend and her airhead college friends and they all bit, hook line and sinker. Its unbelievable. They all said they were going to vote against bush now because of the 2 hour "Movie" they just watched.

My heart goes out to the families he violated to prove his point.

I agree that if you're followed around with a camera you'll say and look stupid blah blah blah. Which is why I had a bit of a problem with all of the "putting on makeup/prepping for press conferences" footage -- it's not informative, just pure manipulation. But you know what? I loved every second of it. I don't think Michael Moore's methods are angelic or genius . . . but I appreciate the perspective and the entertainment -- you're right -- it's a MOVIE and no one would want to watch it if it weren't entertaining. Isn't there another thread in here with the video clip of Bush "entertaining" everyone with his oh-so-funny jokes about the war? It's funny how people think Michael Moore should exemplify higher standards of veracity, entertainment, morals, ethics, etc. than the imposter in the White House. Hmmm.

As far as him "violating" the families . . . please. I'm sure they were well paid which is more than can be said for the soldiers in Iraq.

[piker]

Originally posted by Tom_PM
Whats most shocking is that the people on the right side of the political fence think that everybody who see's the movie believes Moore is a god or something. As if once exposed to the documentary, their power to think for themselves vanishes.

It's just a movie, and it's opinion. Think for yourselves, let others think for themselves, and let the chips fall where they may.

The Bush camp says theres more facts in Shrek 2. And they also say that if they want to see a piece of fiction, they'll go see Shrek 2.

Umm.. wait a minute

Well, I for one know a number of people that dont care much more about life then being able to pay for their cigarettes and beer for the day. If everyone in America was educated with at least a college degree then this film wouldnt even be realesed. But thats simply not the truth. I bet more then just a few will watch this film and think 100% of it is the truth.

But lets take a gander at the other side of the ball. If someone made a "documentary" about your job. And used clever editing to make you look dishonest and incomptent. How would that go over with you? This isnt to say there would be no truth to the matter because im sure you have done things that werent entirely honest and or the smartest things. Just like everyone else.

If you cant see it already the problem lies in exaggerating situations and inserting biased information on a much more complex situation.

[Trixie]

Originally posted by piker
What did you do? Sit and stare at the tube like the moron you are? or?

Speaking of morons, fucktard . . . you should be aware that *I* am not *the president*.

[Trixie]

Originally posted by piker
Do you really think Bush is an evil person trying to fuck over everyone but himself and his buddies? If so you people need some head checks or at least learn how to read and listen.

I just saw your picture in the dictionary next to "naive".

[piker]

Originally posted by Trixie
Speaking of morons, fucktard . . . you should be aware that *I* am not *the president*.

So he is not human? I dont know about you. But I for one don't want a president that wouldnt take the proper time to site and think this one through... If he jumped up and started yelling for his nuclear code book the world would of ended dont you think?

But anyways, I dont know about you, but i abadoned my daily activities to sit transfixed in front of the tube to see whats going on... I think it's only normal. To expect differnent is rediculus.