Which is better outsourced labor source: Philippines vs. India? - GoFuckYourself.com

Mr. Marks · 07-13-2004, 01:11 AM

What's your thought?

By outsourced labor I mean web design, graphics, php, etc.

Mr. Marks · 07-13-2004, 01:18 AM

Philippines:

Good news: $3 a day (training pay) $5 a day (regular pay)

Bad news: Tend to be lazy. Must be dictated to EXACTLY how you want the job done. Need to hire 2 -- 1 to do the job, 1 to double check.

The ugly: Local government industry = hitting you up for bribes or threatening you with audit.

India:

Good news: $2 a day (training) $4 a day Aims to please.

Bad news: English sucks.

The ugly: Bangalore office space rental rates going sky high.

johnbosh · 07-13-2004, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by papichulo
Philippines:

Good news: $3 a day (training pay) $5 a day (regular pay)

Bad news: Tend to be lazy. Must be dictated to EXACTLY how you want the job done. Need to hire 2 -- 1 to do the job, 1 to double check.

The ugly: Local government industry = hitting you up for bribes or threatening you with audit.

India:

Good news: $2 a day (training) $4 a day Aims to please.

Bad news: English sucks.

The ugly: Bangalore office space rental rates going sky high.

thats cheaaap

abyss_al · 07-13-2004, 01:22 AM

india

for the amount you'd pay a programmer/designer, you could get 5-10 heads working for you

CamsProfit · 07-13-2004, 01:36 AM

ya - but...

India will generally not do adult content - ya - some will - most will not..

Philippines - graphics quality tends to be low to really low - of course depending on who you find

theFeTiShLaDy · 07-13-2004, 01:36 AM

if you are looking for outsourcing designers etc. i think Philippines is still the best!

good english, cheap labor and nice people

Mr. Marks · 07-13-2004, 01:44 AM

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Originally posted by theFeTiShLaDy
if you are looking for outsourcing designers etc. i think Philippines is still the best!
good english, cheap labor and nice people

The design can be spotty but hire enough and get a good manager you should be okay.

fuzzylogic · 07-13-2004, 03:28 AM

i would go for harder, faster India workers. ppl can get used to the broken english, just call Juno or IBM tech support, things will work out

Mr. Marks · 07-13-2004, 03:30 AM

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Originally posted by fuzzylogic
i would go for harder, faster India workers. ppl can get used to the broken english, just call Juno or IBM tech support, things will work out

Indians seem to be better when it comes to engineering.

Jey p · 07-13-2004, 06:17 AM

Quality Counts

Education Counts

alex13 · 07-13-2004, 06:22 AM

Why not Thailand also very cheap.

I dont know about the Philippines but i did work with Indians in the past and they did work slow and no one was able to make anything coming close to a good design. I think those ppl would need a lot of training first.

jchennav · 07-13-2004, 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by alex13
Why not Thailand also very cheap.

I dont know about the Philippines but i did work with Indians in the past and they did work slow and no one was able to make anything coming close to a good design. I think those ppl would need a lot of training first.

I've had the same experience that you have described with designers in the Philippines. Lots of corrections and rework are often needed.

The best rationale I find for outsourcing is that it allows work to be performed around the clock--i.e. we would be stuck in meetings during the day, while the offshore staff does the programming work while we sleep. However, when you factor in the amount of rework and corrections, and the time you spend going back and forth over this, it would make more sense to do the work here instead of offshore.

Big Cheese · 07-13-2004, 09:18 AM

I had some design work done by someone in the Phillipines and it was shit. Guess I just found the wrong person.

As for programming, I've had real good luck with Romanians. They speak English rather well and work all damn day.

jade_dragon · 07-13-2004, 09:37 AM

I actually talk to some flip girls who design and their work is pretty good. They probably work for one of the better companies because their boss really hounds them about wasting time chatting instead of working.

find lauren or cutie_angle here on the boards or anyone else with www.outsourcing.com banners

BradM · 07-13-2004, 09:39 AM

Try locals. They tend to do it right the first time.

Raf1 · 07-13-2004, 09:59 AM

From my experience freelance workers from India are far better. They are faster and can commit to doing the job.

Richard - Triplexcash · 07-13-2004, 11:30 AM

I've been in the Philippines for four years, and my partners and I just started an outsourcing/contact center company in Makati.

Can?t say enough about the hardworking and dedicated people we have on staff.

India, all I can say is I don?t like competing with their prices!

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Mr. Marks Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Wherever I want Posts: 7,517	Philippines: Good news: $3 a day (training pay) $5 a day (regular pay) Bad news: Tend to be lazy. Must be dictated to EXACTLY how you want the job done. Need to hire 2 -- 1 to do the job, 1 to double check. The ugly: Local government industry = hitting you up for bribes or threatening you with audit. India: Good news: $2 a day (training) $4 a day Aims to please. Bad news: English sucks. The ugly: Bangalore office space rental rates going sky high.

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alex13 Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 81	Why not Thailand also very cheap. I dont know about the Philippines but i did work with Indians in the past and they did work slow and no one was able to make anything coming close to a good design. I think those ppl would need a lot of training first.

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Big Cheese Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 473	I had some design work done by someone in the Phillipines and it was shit. Guess I just found the wrong person. As for programming, I've had real good luck with Romanians. They speak English rather well and work all damn day.

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Richard - Triplexcash Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 915	I've been in the Philippines for four years, and my partners and I just started an outsourcing/contact center company in Makati. Can?t say enough about the hardworking and dedicated people we have on staff. India, all I can say is I don?t like competing with their prices! __________________ Richard [email protected] ICQ: 322574184