HQ

i used them for only one month, and then i took them off. i'm thinking about reusing them, but their rules have changed around a lot in the past few months. so...

any one still use them? are you still making the same cash off them?



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i did use them... but i have heard from few places forgot where.. that mojo doesnt pay.. so.. im not sure.. i havent gotten my check tho..

aprilkorova

sorry HQ, wish I could give you a definitive answer on this one. Everyone seems to have a differing opinion of them. For me, there has been more negative than positive so I've kinda stayed away from them.

HQ

X-Web, aprilkorova,

i used them for only a month because they cancelled my account. they eventually paid me after i bitched at them back and forth totaling about 10 emails from me... i was breaking their rules but according to their terms and regulations page i wasn't. according to them i was misunderstanding the page.

here's the part that i misunderstood:

a FULL un-cut paragraph quoted from: http://www.mojosearch.com/terms.html
"You may not open the MojoSearch URL in a new browser window, unless your site is built with frames. If that's the case you must open MojoSearch.com in a new fullsized window. Also, you may not open our links inside of frames, ever."

(you won't find that paragraph anymore, i assumed they re-worded it because of our disagreement. they denied that it had anything to do with me, which very well could be the case.)

my site was built with frames so i opened the mojosearch window in a new fullsized window. do you see the misunderstanding there? i tried to make them understand that not only was a following their rules but their page told me i MUST do this! not only that, one of their employees checked out my code and told me it was ok!

ah fuck it, after thinking back on that and how they were treating me, i don't want to fucking use them anymore anyway. being treated as if i'm a moron is not something i forget easily.

can someone here change my mind? i am quite open minded.

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12clicks

hq, let me try to change your mind.

If one of my employees treated you like a moron and you weren't, we'd have fired them on the spot. We haven't fired anyone in a while so I must conclude that you ARE a moron.

here are the terms I just pulled from http://www.mojosearch.com/terms.html

""You may not open the search results in a new browser window. If your site is built in frames, you must break out of the frame into the full window when our results are delivered. You may not open our links inside of frames, ever.""

Exxxotica

Mofo is a good company, and has always paid me on time. If you follow their rules they are decent.I used them for about 3 months and had good success.

Unfortunatly, I can not use them any more. Due to the way my site is set up. (All my links open into a new window...they do not allow their search to open in a new window.)

HQ

12clicks,

as i said, i am quite open minded. and i realize that the terms you would pull from http://www.mojosearch.com/terms.html would now say:

"You may not open the search results in a new browser window. If your site is built in frames, you must break out of the frame into the full window when our results are delivered. You may not open our links inside of frames, ever."

however, are you denying that the terms used to say what i posted above?



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also, 12clicks,

what made me mad or angry or whatever with mojosearch was that nobody would admit to what the terms said. i did not make up that paragraph.

also, i had your employees check out my site, to make sure that i was following the rules. i am no cheater, and your 'you must pop us up in a new window' rule i had to question. your employees said everything was ok.

then i didn't get paid due to account cancellation.

i can give you more details if you want. but i don't want anyone fired. that is not at all what i was trying to do here. i just wanted to know whether mojosearch still brings in money like it used to. there have been rule changes and i'm curious how it is working.



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hq, I'm not interested in your business.

this statement,"ah fuck it, after thinking back on that and how they were treating me, i don't want to fucking use them anymore anyway. being treated as if i'm a moron is not something i forget easily."

makes it very clear that you WEREN'T interested in info, just bashing.


editing your post to add this:
(you won't find that paragraph anymore, i assumed they re-worded it because of our disagreement. they denied that it had anything to do with me, which very well could be the case.)

after I posted was cute too. You change your story too much to believe. No one was ever dropped for doing what you did. Of course if you ignored our directive to change the way you are opening us, I'm sure you were cancelled.
Oh, and I wasn't threatening to fire my employee, I was calling you a moron.

HQ

12clicks,

i tell the truth. i was treated like a moron. i am, again, open mined... as i realize there are two sides to each story. you are not so open minded.

i wasn't bashing you.

this type of response is what i got from mojosearch when i requested information on why i was cancelled out. instead of helping, you treat people like morons.

i didn't read your post, i was editing it before i read any replies. i edited it 10 seconds after i posted. i did so so that i wouldn't come off sounding so bad (as it wasn't my intention.) it wasn't my fault that you replied so quickly.

i haven't changed my story. someone at mojosearch dropped me for doing exactly what i said. in fact, nobody told me what i was actually dropped for. check the emails and you will see that i asked for the reason i was dropped and no one told me. i had to assume that it was for the target=_blank because i noticed that your terms and regulations changed shortyly afterwards.

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Hot Tropical Babes

We have used Mojo for over six months it seems.. They have always paid On TIME. I even screwed up and had things opening in new windows, and they were kind enough to email me and let me know that wasnt tolerated, in which i complied. Any way, I dont know what has happened, but the last month my sales have went next to nothing, so I will probably drop it soon. Hate to but i got to make money!

HQ

also, maybe some of you have got it wrong here... i wasn't treated like a moron in every email... this was the ONLY bad one:

"I've been to your sites. You shit freezes my Mac and you've disabled right clicking on my pc. I have no interest in looking any further. I'm sure XXXXX was right in his/her decision.
XXXXX"

it just sounded like this person was pissed at me. this was a very frustrating response after trying to explain that i was an honest webmaster and didn't mean to break the rules. i had mojosearch employees check oyt my site to make sure of that. i wanted some slack cut on my end. i would have continued to use the program otherwise. in fact, i still promote mojo on 5 sites. even now. my site freezes a Mac was new information to me. and the disabled right clicking is just a newbie-stopper. you can tell whoever wrote that email to me wasn't happy with me.

REMEMBER, of course... mojo DID pay me. so some argreement was made that i hadn't cheated on purpose. it just took a little bit of negotiating to prove i wasn't a cheater.

being improperly accused is my worse nightmare. i hate it.



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also, i didn't get an email on your directive change. the change in that paragraph happened after i was cancelled.

i also felt i was being treated like a moron because nobody believe what i was saying. just like now. i'm telling the truth. 100%. maybe this is all a misunderstanding or something...

you can't just bash people. and if that opening thing about 'fuck it, blah blah blah' was taken harshly. i apologize. but it was your treatement that made me feel that way. and seeing that i'm an honest webmaster, that should mean something to you. you should want to get to the bottom of it, instead of just assuming i'm a moron.



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This is the stupidiest thread I have ever read. Someone is inquiring about a problem with a sponsor, and the sponsor is not listening to what is being written and is quite frankly acting like a little childish kid. Are you people actually reading the posts? Or do you reply before you finish? Are you capable of putting 2 and 2 together? I cannot believe such childish uninformative repsonses are resulting from such a SIMPLE FUCKING problem, and it's pissing me off enough that I am going to reply:

Let me restate this very simple problem as I see it:

1. Mojosearch stated at one time in the past:
"You may not open the MojoSearch URL in a new browser window, unless your site is built with frames. If that's the case you must open MojoSearch.com in a new fullsized window. Also, you may not open our links inside of frames, ever."

This doesn't require explanation, but since people on this thread cannot read properly, I will explain: This quote requires any site with frames to pop up the search results in a new window.

2. HQ follows direct orders, and pops up the search in a new window.

3. HQ asks for help, and mojosearch states that HQ's code is correct.

4. HQ continues use of the program as stated.

5. No forms/emails/notificiations are sent that a rule change happened, therefore HQ keeps using the program as is.

6. Mojosearch doesn't pay HQ.

7. HQ asks why. They tell him that he is breaking the rules. He tells them he is not. They send emails back and forth. Some of them from mojosearch are very bitching and childish, such as:

"I've been to your sites. You shit freezes my Mac and you've disabled right clicking on my pc. I have no interest in looking any further. I'm sure XXXXX was right in his/her decision.
XXXXX"

(side note: Isn't it great when you follow the rules 100%, and get shit on because the sponsor always assumes you're a cheat right away, and then refuses to look into the situation for proof that you aren't? And then sends whining emails back that they can right-click. boo hoo. Give me a break. If a mojosearch employee told HQ his code was 100% legit - don't you have this on file?)

8. Mojosearch pays HQ. this obviously happens because they know he wasn't cheating. so at some point they determined that they were in the wrong for accusing him of cheating, otherwise they would not have paid. Now - look back at those childish emails - those emails were written to a completely honest webmaster trying to make an honest buck with their program. Put yourself in that situation. Wouldn't you be pissed if you were HQ? Yet, he kept his cool...

9. HQ posts on GFY.com about mojosearch, and asks people their opinions.

10. He gets a reply from 12clicks, who I assume is associated with the program, in his reply he states: "so I must conclude that you ARE a moron."

Grow up.

12clicks states that the terms state:

"You may not open the search results in a new browser window. If your site is built in frames, you must break out of the frame into the full window when our results are delivered. You may not open our links inside of frames, ever."

Even though HQ has already CLEARLY stated that the quote was changed, and USED to say:

"You may not open the MojoSearch URL in a new browser window, unless your site is built with frames. If that's the case you must open MojoSearch.com in a new fullsized window. Also, you may not open our links inside of frames, ever."

(please note again that mojosearch confirmed that HQ was not breaking the rules, And mojosearch DID NOT send out any notification about rule changes)

Apparently the logic of this situation is too complicated for 12clicks to understand that HQ was following the rules of the program when he signed up. 12clicks appears to be attempting to state on this thread that HQ is wrong for not following the current rules. I think. I really don't know what 12 clicks is writing. He obviously has not read a single thing on this thread.

And what about his statement to HQ that "I must conclude that you ARE a moron." since "If one of my employees treated you like a moron and you weren't, we'd have fired them on the spot." Well guess what? You should have fired at least one or more of your employees, since they told HQ that he was wrong, and then sent him bitchy emails (i.e. "I've been to your sites. You shit freezes my Mac and you've disabled right clicking on my pc. I have no interest in looking any further. I'm sure XXXXX was right in his/her decision. XXXXX") and then found out he was correct all along.

Then 12clicks writes in this thread:

"You change your story too much to believe. No one was ever dropped for doing what you did. Of course if you ignored our directive to change the way you are opening us, I'm sure you were cancelled.
Oh, and I wasn't threatening to fire my employee, I was calling you a moron."

12clicks - get your head out of your ass and read the posts. His story hasn't changed. YOUR RULES are the thing that changed. He did not ignore the directives, he followed them exactly, and even cared enough to ask for the aid of an employee to ensure that he was doing it correctly, in which he was. HQ has been more than calm about this, and you are replying like you are 12 years old.

If these repsonses from 12 clicks on this thread are any indication about how this company is run, included with the quote emails from this company, and it's ignorance, then you can believe me that I will stay away from ever using you as a sponsor.

(oh let me add one thing - in response to your "Oh, and I wasn't threatening to fire my employee, I was calling you a moron.", let me just say this:

12clicks - YOU are the MORON, as anyone can plainly see simply by reading the posts in this thread. So grow the fuck up, and with all due respect, GO FUCK YOURSELF)

Doesn't anyone have any respect anymore? Just think about how you have JUST treated a perfectly legitimate affiliate. This sickens me.

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HQ

also Juge, being a 100% totally honest webmaster and being treated with no respect (as if i was a cheater) makes my above feelings were completely justified.

any of you would would feel the same after being treated disrespectfully.

12clicks thinks i'm a cheater. that is where his fault lies. he doesn't remember me or the situation that occured. this is why he doesn't care about me or my posts. he doesn't care or respect me because who cares or respects cheaters?! nobody.

btw, i'm not a cheater. you paid me, remember? but i had to go through a lot of disrespectful shit to get paid, which wasn't right.



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YOU people are the morons for ever doing business with childish trash like Ron.

His responses are NEVER professional; always defensive and he's an admitted racist. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ub...ML/001968.html

I'm sorry but..wake up people.

HQ is a very nice, helpful person.
Fuck you 12. Take what ever it is that's shoved up your ass and remove it.

Treat people with some respect.

Crutch

Juge,

Whew...Thank you so much for posting that so i didn't have to.

I was cracking my knuckles getting prepared to write on your exact point.

Doesn't it amaze you that threads regarding non-adult bullshit situations are flooded on this board and get all the attention, but shit that really matters go's unoticed?

I thought about using them on two of my bigger free sites. As a matter of fact, i was just looking at them a day ago.

Thanks HQ for the post...you saved me probably a shit load of headaches.
And thanks Juge for the response. And Strangster, thanks for the imput.

But a special thanks to 12clicks for confirming what kind of a businessman you are and making my decision a final one. After reading your responses, the choice was clear to stay away.

HQ

stangster,

thanks for the compliments. i have just removed mojosearch off 6 sites. i started this thread to see if i should start to use them again. it wasn't hard to make up my mind.

i didn't realize that 12clicks' responses were always so unprofessional. this is exactly how he dealt with my problem via email. now claiming that i am a moron, he was mad because he couldn't get by my disabled right-clicking. only total newbies get blocked out from viewing source code by disabled right clicking.

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Crutch,

you are right. Juge's post sums it up very well. and i'm glad i saved you and hopefully lots of other webmasters huge headaches. i'll repeat again, mojosearch did pay me, they admitted their mistake in that manner. it is aparant that 12clicks would never apologize for any mistakes he has made, which sucks for me... i do not even want an apology, i just want him to realize that i did not cheat him in the least. i even asked his employees to give the OK on my site and they did. i could not have been more honest, and look what happened to me. everytime someone is wrongly accused of cheating, i believe it should be a top priority to fix such 'bugs'.

stranger's url says a lot about mojosearch and sponsors in general. we, as webmasters, are customers which should be treated fairly and respectfully. check out lensman and tanker and the crew... they practically have us working for them catching cheaters because we respect them so much. that MUST kick ass in regards of AP's success. this is something all sponsors should think about.



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I am not a moron because I have never, and will never, deal with Ron or mojosearch. Anybody currently using mojosearch should realize that HQ is 100% honest and legit, and therefore this exact scenario could happen to you. Admit it, mistakes happen. I've heard about accounts getting deleted from AP by accident (probably in the process of deleting a cheater's account), and once an inquiry is made, AP responded professionally, the problem was quickly resolved, and the affiliate was paid. Now, look at the situation with mojosearh. The company is proven to be run by a bunch of childish unprofessionals. Proven simply by reading this thread, and visiting the links posted in this thread. Imagine Lensman, Tanker, Lightning, any of the other people in the big businesses acting like these guys... Imagine that. Why waste time and effort dealing with them? Drop their links.

Now this is just amazing and totally unbelievable... If the guy really did find someone linking to child porn (for real), then the appropriate response would be "Hi, Your site xxxx links to xxxx which contains child porn. This breeches our terms, therefore your account has been deleted." and nothing else. Name calling is for babies.

Yes, he is very helpful. We all know that. HQ, make a blacklist page that explains the entire situation. Stick to the facts as you have done. Next time you or I or the rest of us sees someone using mojosearch, we'll send them the page, and let them decide based on the facts.

I truly fail to understand how people can be such dickheads and think it doesn't harm their rep.

"Treat people with some respect." - I completely agree.

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Crutch,

I agree... after reading this thread, I could not help but post. This is so ridiculous. It just urks me that this shit happens. It appears some people in this thread have the logical reasoning powers and the maturity level of a 2 year old.

And yes, it does amaze me that these important threads don't get much attention. Maybe we should post 'Free BJs' at the end of the title so that more people will read it

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Juge... there is a spell checker on here, right next to the "Submit Reply" button...

I didn't notice at first either.



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Thanks tenletters - I seen it after my second 'edit', and removed the text that I wrote say 'i wish this has a spell checker' - so most people probably dont have a clue what you are talking about.

Who has time to spell check anyway



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i have to agree with HQ
the paragraph with the rule that you have to open the search in a new window was certainly there about two months ago.

i was using mojosearch and making good money with them until hey started changing rules (pre-entered search terms must give a .10$ result, must clickthrough)
i know that all these rules are necessary but it just didn't make me any more money. so i don't use them anymore.

Crutch

Juge,

That's been my complaint for a while. People love to post to "spit or swallows" thread, but the important shit seems to get overlooked.

Seems like the only times a good thread grows, or get a good discussion is if someone like TheHun or JJJ has something to say. I wish TheHun or JJJ would post here more often to get more informative threads going. You can never stop learning or being informed, regardless of how long you've been in the business.

As for HQ, i think you should take Juge's advice and put up a page about your experience. I never understood the business or burning your bridges. What i mean is, 12clicks, HQ may be just one person, but you never know who that ONE person knows or who HE does business with.

The webmasters who've been in this business since the beginning, are a small tight community and talk often. Word gets around.

Just an opinion.

Juge, "Free BJ's" lol

12clicks

this response is for juge, crutch, butch, and whoever else thought they may have a clue.

I know everyone who is anybody in this business. If I don't know YOU, there's a reason.
hq is spinning a story to make himself look good. *I* was the one who wrote,""I've been to your sites. You shit freezes my Mac and you've disabled right clicking on my pc. I have no interest in looking any further. I'm sure XXXXX was right in his/her decision.
XXXXX"
Now that I have a better memory of this moron, I'll tell you that when a guy pops so many windows that it freezes up my computer on a mac AND he disables viewing source on a PC, he's hiding something. What he was hiding was his cheating. That doesn't work against me.
As far as the goofy statement "those of us who've been here since the beginning bla bla bla...."
beginning of what? GFY? you couldn't have meant the adult business. You sure as hell weren't around when I started. You little circle jerkers and pic post cheaters go on bashing me. If it made a difference, I wouldn't call a spade a spade but it doesn't. Listen closely "CHEATERS & THIEVES DON'T MATTER and neither do their supporters"

If I have the time, I'll show you pages of cheaters posting their complaints about me. Some of them are quite funny. The thing that they have in common with you is...........they don't matter.

and now, a plug:
http://www.clickthrutraffic.com pays .05 blind. You get paid for EVERY link on our front page AND every link on the single exit page.
It's the best deal in town.

We have over 30,000 webmasters in all of our programs. In any group, at least 10% will be cheaters (that's a low number). Out of that 3,000 a couple find their way here and bitch. the 27,000 other checks go out every month. Ask Rose, ask the hun, ask lensman, ask anyone reputable.

Juge

"this response is for juge, crutch, butch, and whoever else thought they may have a clue."

12clicks - I have never dealt with you, and I never will. Anyone who reads this thread will get the clue of what kind of business you run, and what kind of business man you are. I encourage everyone to read this entire thread, especially the large post in which I painstakingly explain every minute detail. It will be obvious as to who has even read the posts and understood them, and who does not have the mental capability of understanding a simple logical problem in which they themselves caused. I have no respect for those who show no respect. If you cannot understand the situation, you are the person who should get a clue.

"I know everyone who is anybody in this business. If I don't know YOU, there's a reason."

Such arrogance. No one who is anyone requires to defend their position by stating that. I don't know you, and I don't care to know you. I will never use you as a sponsor. There is too little time to uselessly waste it messing with any form business with the likes of you.

"hq is spinning a story to make himself look good. *I* was the one who wrote,""I've been to your sites. You shit freezes my Mac and you've disabled right clicking on my pc. I have no interest in looking any further. I'm sure XXXXX was right in his/her decision.
XXXXX""

I am glad you have admitted to writing such a childish reply. Anyone can see, even if the only evidence was this email, that you put no effort into the justification that HQ was cheating. HQ 'spinning' a story? You paid him, didn't you? You PAID him. You wouldn't have done this if he were not cheating. For the second time, get your head out of your ass.

Now that I have a better memory of this moron, I'll tell you that when a guy pops so many windows that it freezes up my computer on a mac AND he disables viewing source on a PC, he's hiding something. What he was hiding was his cheating. That doesn't work against me.

Name calling is for kids. Please grow up if you wish to enlighten us with your intelligence. I have know about HQ's site for years, and he has never had more than a single pop-up, and it was always onopen. This would have not effected your mojosearch. I highly doubt his site would survive very long if he had pop-up hell on his site. EVERYONE HERE WHO HAS EVEN BEEN TO HQ'S SITE www.hqdailynude.com PLEASE REPLY AND LET IT BE KNOWN THAT IT HAS NEVER CONTAINED POP-UP HELL. What's funny is that you are wrong, and you are making yourself look extremely bad. Lots of people disable viewing source. I do it. I am not hiding anything. I starting getting sick of people stealing my entire site's thumbs, links, javascript code, etc. I'll make 'em work for it if they really want it. But, since it's just the newbies that do this unknowingly, it effectively stops this. What's wrong with this? You don't know how to get around it? Boo hoo. And again, HQ obviously was NOT hiding his cheating if you paid him. For the second time, get a clue, you are making a fool out of yourself.

"As far as the goofy statement "those of us who've been here since the beginning bla bla bla...."
beginning of what? GFY? you couldn't have meant the adult business. You sure as hell weren't around when I started. You little circle jerkers and pic post cheaters go on bashing me. If it made a difference, I wouldn't call a spade a spade but it doesn't. Listen closely "CHEATERS & THIEVES DON'T MATTER and neither do their supporters" "

Your posts are weird. If you have something serious to say, say it in a professional way, and stop using smileys. No wonder no one can understand you, you are sending mixed signals. I thought your first post on here was a smiley sarcastic joke posted for the fun of it. Had it been, I would not dislike you in the least. But your second post is a great sample of the maturity level of your posts. I hate cheaters as much as everyone. I report them all the time. Ask AP and lots of other companies. I have reported quite a few in my time. Your mistake is that you stepped on someone's toes who WAS NOT CHEATING. DIDN'T YOU PAY HIM? YES. DOESN'T THIS IMPLY THAT YOU MADE A MISTAKE, AND THEN DETERMINED THAT HE WASN'T CHEATING, AND THUS PAID HIM? YES.

For the love of God. We are NOT supporting cheaters. We are supporting the right that legit affiliates should be able to talk to the owners of a sponsor program and be able to solve the mistake that they made, so that they can get paid, WITHOUT having to go through a bunch of bullshit. But it is apparent that you cannot even admit that a loyal affiliate was not cheating, even after you PAID him after the incident, for the simple fact that there is a thread on gfy.com that is dissing your program on these terms.

"If I have the time, I'll show you pages of cheaters posting their complaints about me. Some of them are quite funny. The thing that they have in common with you is...........they don't matter."

I am sure that they are funny. I have heard the complains before. I have even read them on here. They will bitch and bitch and refuse to accept that they were cheating, and some of them are so bad, that no matter even if you fully explain what they did wrong, and point them to your rules, they will still think that you are a bad sponsor, and bitch and complain. And yes, I agree that they do not matter.

But, what about the legit guy that YOU bitch at and complain, and then finally realize your mistake, and then pay him. (and STOP saying HQ cheated, you PAID him after the fact, therefore it was determined by YOU that he did not cheat) So here we have it guys... proof of the bitchy emails sent from this sponsor to a proven legit affiliate. If you didn't take things so personal and handled things in a more professional way, then this would not have happened. You are so mistaken, that here you are, posting more bitchy shit at a legit person which you have paid. Does that make sense? Really, now.

We have over 30,000 webmasters in all of our programs. In any group, at least 10% will be cheaters (that's a low number). Out of that 3,000 a couple find their way here and bitch. the 27,000 other checks go out every month. Ask Rose, ask the hun, ask lensman, ask anyone reputable.

Save it. You paid HQ, therefore under your own power you determined that he was legit. Here you are bashing him. It takes seconds on your end to prove that he is correct. Enough said. I will never use you as a sponsor. I hope others will follow.

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HQ

12clicks,

i don't spin stories. you paid me, remember? so you agreed that i was not cheating you. your employee cancelled my account not for target=_blank'ing your search results, but for 'popping windows' along side of your search result. you do not need to view source code to see if a webmaster is doing this or not. i was never doing this. i had no popups on my site. 12clicks, you are (now) wrong because you reactivated my account. you knew that i wasn't cheating because you paid me and you reactiviated my account.

i don't make myself look good, i tell the truth. this is also what you are interested in. so why don't you spend a little bit of time and figure out that i'm telling the truth 100%. disabling right-clicking with javascript code is a programmer's joke that pisses off newbies.

TIP:
to get by javascript disabled right-clicking, keep holding down the right button, press enter (which removes the javascript popup), and the let go of the right button. that's it. you have successfully got by it

or... any sponsor should know that you can 'save as' the whole web page to properly view sources and frames and other things to look for cheaters.

12clicks, if i was cheating, i shouldn't have been paid. and i wouldn't have expected to. i didn't have you personally over see my code 4 or 5 times so that i would get caught for how i was cheating you, because i wasn't. i was trying to make sure i was following all of your rules perfectly.

you call me a moron when my site site, which doesn't pop up any windows, somehow popped up so many that it frooze your computer. you probably had some other sites delayed hidden window doing that. perhaps those are more easily hidden with macs. again, you paid me. i highly doubt you would have ever paid anybody who you thought was cheating you. you changed your mind way back then, and now you can't remember.

this is true:

""CHEATERS & THIEVES DON'T MATTER and neither do their supporters" "

it's unfortuneate that you think i'm one of them. how did this ever happen? by you not taking two seconds to look at your records to see the truth. instead you take two seconds to see that i said that your people treated me like moron. you assume that because i feel i was treated like a moron that i am a moron and a cheater. why did you pay me? you should apologize for closing webmaster accounts down by accident. it was you or your employees fault somehow. i never popped up any windows.



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12clicks

hey! you guys home from school?

I was wondering what time you'd get back here.

hq should not have been paid. He was paid without my knowlege.
juge, I liked the way you dodged your little comment about being here in the beginning.
Also, please don't assume you know what page he was cheating us from.

I should really give up. you bikini guys are way too smart for me!

Rose

Dont worry 12clicks I still like you

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12clicks

Oh Rose, I do it all for you!
I'm coming by your house tonight to sing beneath your balcony.

how many people in our programs go unnoticed month after month, quietly collecting their check? What makes them different than these guys?

something. what?

Rose

Sorry clicks I dont have a balcony...

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aprilkorova

Juge,

You said it best. My post above was basically about 12 clicks. It's true I have heard both good and bad about mojosearch. My main reason for not using them is 12 clicks.

12clicks,
You come across in your posts as extremely unprofessional. If I don't want to read your insults and unnecessary nasty comments on a board, why would I want to have to deal with you on a professional level?

Now, go on, bash me, insult me, call me names, tell me about how you don't give a fuck about me or how I'm such a stupid bitch...I know it makes you feel better, for some reason, you just prove my point.

You don't know everyone in this biz, that would be impossible. And a lot of us are just starting to make our own way. 2 years from now, can you say where you will be or where we will be? You may not be burning BIG bridges now, but, you never know where we will be in the future and impressions of you as a person and businessman will last a long time.

And no, this has nothing to do with just your insults of me....it's your insults of everyone. I don't hold grudges on a professional level for personal attacks. It just leaves me with an overall sense of who you are and what kind of sponsor/whatever that you would be. Why would I want to work my ass off for you, if all I can expect is a "fuck you" attitude?

12clicks

april, stop saying stupid things to get me to notice you. I've noticed you and found you irrelevant.

aprilkorova

HAH! LOL, I give up...you win.

12clicks

of course.

Kat - Fast

Now, threads like this are the reason I come to this board.
For the same reason I have ethics when it comes to where I eat or what clothes I buy - I like to have ethics on what sort of people I am feeding and buying clothes for.
I'll not try to make money for sponsors who cannot even be remotely civilized (and i read the posts on the other webbie board).

HQ

12clicks,

everything you say is false. you authorized my payment. it was not done without your knowledge. your employee passed upon my request to get paid to you because he/she was either not allowed to authorize it or at least thought it required 'upper management's' second opinion.

only after dealing with you, 12clicks, was i paid. despite the fact that my non-existant popups crashed your macintosh.

also, 12clicks, it is impossible for juge to dodge a comment that he did not make. perhaps you should pay more attention. why do you not check your records and admit that i didn't cheat your sponsor.

juge knows more about this than you, 12clicks, as he is not so ignorant. spend two seconds, check your records, and you will see that i did not cheat you. why do you continue to treat me, a completely honest webmaster who was continuing to promote your program, as a cheater? would it not be in your best interest to figure out, whether or not, you are treating your honest affiliates in such a disrepectful manner?


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Juge

"hey! you guys home from school?"

No, but apparently there is someone on this board who has not graduated from elementary school, yet.

"hq should not have been paid. He was paid without my knowlege. "

Save it. You have emails in which your associates have checked out HQ's code and confirmed that it was legit. Do not mention another word until you look into your records. It takes less time to do this than it does to respond immaturely in this thread. So save it.

"juge, I liked the way you dodged your little comment about being here in the beginning. "

What is the significance of this comment? Why should I respond to it? I did not make it. Your response is for the person that did. The comment is irrelevant in this argument from my perspective, and it should be from yours. I truly feel sorry that you lack the intelligence to understand this.

While on the topic of dodging comments - you seemed to have dodge both of my very long threads. Take your time in reading them.

"Also, please don't assume you know what page he was cheating us from. "

Ok, sorry, my bad, let me rephrase: NONE of his websites ever had more than a single pop-up, and these pop-ups were on onopen. Thus, they have no effect on your mojosearch. Is that better? Again, any and all who know about HQ's sites, please post and let it be known that these facts are true. I've been trading with him forever. Therefore, I know that this is fact.

"I should really give up. you bikini guys are way too smart for me! "

Yes, give up, go back and finish elementary school first. That's a start. Take mathematics courses; it helps promote logical reasoning. This helps when attempting to solve prolems. Stick with it through to university, it will help your social skills. Also remember to have an open mind. Mistakes happen. Treat everyone with respect. If someone cheats you, look into it. Do not assume. You have made it quite clear that you a complete dick to cheaters, even when they have proven to be innocent, and that you make no effort to justify. Again, Treat people with Respect. Replying with such racist things as "Don't you have to go wait in line for a loaf of bread or something?" doesn't do any good.

Again I will post the URL to another forum, as proof of the maturity levels of the people who run this company:

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ub...ML/001968.html

Side note: Isn't it funny how when you win an argument the opposite side refuses to touch upon the important topics. But instead asks why I dodged an irrelevant comment posted but someone else. I have no care about the irrelevant posts and comments such as name calling. If you wish to get into a pissing match which will solve nothing, then go elsewhere.

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sweetjimmy

If 12clicks is a racist and I'm black will he pay me?

If he does pay me I don't care if he's grand dragon of the KKK.

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Juge

Rose,

It is completely within your right to continue to like 12clicks, and use his program. If you have had a happy relationship with him, then I see no reason why you shouldn't... HOWEVER, you must admit that we have shown, and he has admitted himself, that he writes very immature emails that indicate he places NO effort into the justification that an affiliate is cheating. This could one day be you... Think about it.

12clicks writes: "how many people in our programs go unnoticed month after month, quietly collecting their check? What makes them different than these guys?

something. what?"

The difference is that they were not suspected of cheating because of a rule change. The difference is that they never needed to deal with the elementary school maturity level of you in an attempt to prove their innocence. The difference is for other people you did not check out their sites when you had a pop-up hell in effect from another site you just closed, and assumed that it was HQ. I know this, because I have been linking with him from day one. Ask any and all of his referrers in the lifetime of his site, and you will get the same answer.

Now, let's look at your email one more time:

"I've been to your sites. You shit freezes my Mac and you've disabled right clicking on my pc. I have no interest in looking any further. I'm sure XXXXX was right in his/her decision.
XXXXX"

That's truly pathetic. Zero effort in the justification.

Rose,

Picture you in the situation in where they thought you were cheating. You ask them nicely, and you get the reply above. Recall that HQ was paid, and that he received an email from mojosearch stating that he would be (thus admitting to their mistake - and 12clicks can simply look in the records for this proof), therefore he was a legit affiliate, as you are. This could happen to you. This is REAL.

I am supporting the rights of us as affiliates, Rose. I am, by no means, supporting cheaters. I catch them and report them all the time. I am happy to.

I hope that a lot of people are reading this thread. Remember that I am just a bystander pointing out the facts.

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Juge

Aprilkorova,

Thank you for your support. I am here simply to point out the facts. The more people write, the more I am going to respond. Because this is a REAL thing we have to deal with, and I believe that it
should not be tolerated in the least.

Also, the reasons that you point out for your decision to stay away from mojosearch match mine exactly. I could not have said them better myself. Everyone, please read her post above.

Thank you.


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Juge

If you dislike racist people, then you DO NOT want to hear the words out of these guys' mouths on this thread:
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ub...ML/001968.html

sweetjimmy,

Please read the repsonse I wrote to Rose, getting paid is nice until shit hits the fan. Be aware of this.

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Rose

Juge
I dont take sites here cause I dont know situation.I just simply posted "I still like you 12clicks". Yes I still use mojo search
but believe me I dont use it much, not that I dont like it,I do but I prefer to send
my hits pay per sign up programs.
Yes I red thread on that other board, about
Lolita links to CP.For me I dont use word Lolita anywhere on my sites,I dont wanna debate legality of that word I just dont use it.If webmaster is linking to CP site I understand he gets terminated, plus I think he is sick.On other side if you link to toplist and on that toplist someone puts links description like Little Girls etc...
hmmm I dont know.Yes I link to top lists.
I try to link to clean ones,but it's hard.
I remember linking toplists which was clean and sent back lots of traffic.But about 2 months latter I checked that list again and it was full of BS descriptions so I droped
that list.
I feel That if you link to "Top List",which
has BS Links descriptions like that you dont always know,
unless you check your link trades daily,which I dont.I believe in my own opinion webmaster shouldnt be droped from program just for linking to top list which might have questionable descriptions.But if you link to CP it's another story.

Lensman

I don't have time to read this whole thread, but I can vouch for 12clicks. If you don't pull any shit and stick with the spirit of his programs, you'll be paid. Always.

I can also agree with 12clicks that a bunch of people either cheat, try shortcuts, or simply ignore rules. It's a bitch, but it's true.

Jimmy, 12clicks is not a racist. He's part black himself. And he's not homophobic either, because he's... we'll I'll let him tell you himself about that one.

And for you guys that don't like the way he talks, remember - he's in New Jersey. Just watch a few episodes of the Sopranos and you'll realize that's normal over there.

Besides, you guys are bitching about the way someone talks at a place called "gofuckyourself.com"?

Rose

Yes New Jersey and he likes Philadelphia Flyers

HQ

Lensman,

i'm hope your friendship with 12clicks doesn't affect your opinion, or anyone else's opinion, on me.

here's their email to me:

"I'm XXXXXX from Mojosearch and I've checked out your account, everything seems to be fine. I'm sending your check out for $212.03 for December searches."

if i was popping up enough windows with my search result to crash 12clicks computer he would not have paid me.

also, all my mojosearch search boxes were removed from my site before 12clicks' employee passed on my complaint to him. when he checked my site, i wasn't using mojosearch any more. how can 12clicks claim that i was popping windows with his search if i didn't even have his search on my page when he checked it?

the emails tell the truth. and so do i. anyone who has been in lawusits before realize that the elephant steps on so many mice that it doesn't remember each individual detail of each individual mouse. all the elephant does is go on assumptions. 12clicks, that is HOW you are wrong.

lensman, i could care less for how he talks. my problem is that he claims i cheated him. he paid me which means i didn't. his only possible reply is that it was unauthrized by him. if he knew i cheated, he would not have let his employees pay me.

lensman, why don't you use your influence to get 12clicks to check his records and see that i didn't cheat him. it's obvious i am legit.

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aprilkorova

Wow,

Thanks Juge for the link to the AWI thread, I don't lurk there as much as I used to. I thought I was the only one that had decided to not do business with him because of his behavior on the boards.

To 12 clicks and his supporters,

I don't know him/you, maybe if I knew you it would be different. Maybe, I could see the humor (I use that term lightly LOL) or the man behind it all. All I see is you and your buddies running around insulting and not all of those people you attack are "cheaters" or have anything to do with you or your business. You do it to everyone that you come across with very few exceptions (if any).

This is a free country, everyone has the right to be an asshole. But, I would never do business with anyone that treats his peers (oh, excuse me, he has no peers, he seems to see himself superior to all) in such a horribly disrespectful manner at all times. He never takes a break. It's not like he occasionally gets pissed or feels the need to defend himself in a more forceful manner.

It could be a post about anything and the insults ensue. Is this good business? This is one of the very few ways adult webmasters can network. Would he be at a business lunch and talk and treat people like this in person and expect it to go over well?

His arrogance and illusions of grandeur astound me. I would never do business with someone like this. That was my only point, and I came to that conclusion a long time ago. That is my right. Now, because I feel that way, and am expressing my opinion, I have now opened myself up to personal insulting attacks. That is not cool, and I'm sick of it.

On many boards it's the same thing with him. Don't fault me for after months and months, I finally get frustrated enough to voice my opinion. I don't care if he is the best sponsor on earth, I would never want to deal with him or his business buddies for the simple fact that I don't feel he is professional and would treat me accordingly, having never done him wrong.

If I had a problem with his program, even just a question, I would expect to get an e-mail something like "Fuck you, you silly stupid bitch..you can kiss my ass, you are irrelevant and if you can't figure it out, too fucking bad." This is solely due to his 100's and 100's of posts on multiple boards, not necessarily by what he may actually do...which is my point. 12clicks has given this impression, whether true or not from how people, like me, see him on the boards.

Would it be good biz on my part to take my chances with someone like him and his company, or someone that acts like he AT LEAST has a certain amount of civility and professionalism about him?

12clicks, I admit I don't get it...and since you have called me stupid a few times, I'm sure that doesn't surprise you. How does your behavior help you? I can see, by your posts, that you don't seem to give a rat's ass as to whether it will hurt you or your business. But, really, how does it HELP your business and reputation as a "Big Player" to behave in such a manner to fellow webmasters?

BTW, I'm not specifically commenting on the AWI link. I don't know the situation and maybe there were KP links (in which case I would have been equally agitated) or maybe there wasn't. I'm talking about all your posts in general.

Another btw, if Rose and Lens like you, than you must have redeeming qualities, that is why I'm so perplexed.

mischief

Why would Ron treat cheaters with any respect? You wonder why he's still in business with his arrogant smart ass attitude, but if it's all directed at people cheating his program, why would it have any effect at all? People who use his program, and follow the rules, would never hear from him. I have seen all these flames aimed at Ron for several years on several boards, and one thing I have noticed, anyone who's anyone stands behind him. Do a search on this board, or AWI, or porncity's board, on all related topics, look at all the people who stand behind 12clicks, and I can tell you you'll find a list of highly respected successful people. Check out all the people who whined and complained and you'll be saying "hey whatever happened to them?" If you want to stand behind a cheater, do your homework, investigate, and make damned sure you know your facts or you'll get eatin' alive.

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aprilkorova

Mischief,

I'm not standing behind anyone in particular, nor am I defending anyone he has attacked, except for those inane, insulting posts he has a tendancy to post that have nothing to do with him, his company or anything related to him.

Lensman,

I forgot to post this before, but my fiancee is from New Jersey, born, raised and educated. He does not behave like that. No matter whare you are from...his behavior is out of line at times, if not always.