MooseCock

Yo, how ya doin?

Juge, I got a frakin eyeball cramp just readin' your post. Lighten the fuck up.

Go make youself a sandwich or somethin'.

HQ

mischief,

i did not cheat 12clicks. every single thing he has said about me is false. i don't care how he treats cheaters. people have cheated me also, and i couldn't stand them. 12clicks should be mad at cheaters. i hate them too.

12clicks has treated (me) an honest webmaster like a cheater. that is wrong. it doesn't matter if 10% of all of us are cheaters. it doesn't matter if lensman stands up for him. none of this makes me a cheater. this is the only point i am arguing right now.

if 12clicks would go back and look at his records he would see that i did not cheat him. why would he pay a cheater? this argument is ridiculous.

would you like me to post our entire email correspondance? what does it take to make everyone realize that i have never ever cheated 12clicks?

mojosearch was off my websites before 12clicks checked them out. 12clicks apparantly found out that i was disabling right clicking to hide my cheating code even though i was no longer using mojosearch. how does this make sense? before anyone comments on this post i think they should read this entire thread. (not directed at just you mischief, i meant everyone.)

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HQ

MooseCock,

juge's post explain it all. they are good summaries. i'm glad it re-explained how foolish this thread is. 12clicks is accusing me of being a cheater. would you appreciate if your sponsor was doing that to you on a webmaster board?

i'm not very pleased with accusations and insinuations that i am a cheater when i have done everything in my power to be the exact opposite.

if i was cheating mojosearch then why did i email them 5 or 6 times to check out my code to ensure i wasn't cheating them? why did they pay me? i never had any popups. mojosearch wasn't on my site when 12clicks 'found out' that i was cheating him.



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12clicks

mischief, how did you get to be so smart? YOU get it. I hope you never open a competing program against me. You would be true competition. Jude, hq, aprilImstupid and the rest will one day tell their kids how right they were against the savage 12clicks as they're finishing up their shift at walmart or the soft pretzel stand this time next year.

hq, you broke our rules, if you got paid it was a moment of weakness from our company. I'm embarrassed by it. I take pride in slapping down those of you who cheat us. The only way we are able to pay more than ANYONE else is to have or webmasters follow the rules.

Also, april and you other dopes who think I'm arrogant, I'm not arrogant I just have an understanding of our relative places in this business. You're no different from the guys 2 years ago who are not here today. I'm no different from the guy 2 years ago I was then. Get it?

Tell me I'm wrong 2 years from now but please don't presume to know ANYTHING more than me until you've either run an affiliate program that burns through millions a month or have brought an innovation to internet advertising. My business has done both more than once.

Re-read mischief's post. he is wise like grasshopper.

aprilkorova

12clicks,

You're a prick, and no time will change that. If you think for a minute that two years from now I will be in a Wal-mart than your are as stupid as I think you are.

Keep it up, you are making yourself out to be the ass you are. I live for it. Keep on making me happy! Thanks for giving me the boost I needed to continue with my business like I should. A year or two from now...you will be bankrupt and people like me will be running shit and you, my friend, will be asking "Price check on aisle 16, please?"

You could have stopped, I backed off from you a number of times.....no longer. If you think for a minute that I give a shit about you or your business..you are more egocentric than I thought.

Fire away...call me every name in the book...it's only to helping your own downfall. If you are as egomanically and retarded as I think you are, no wonder you think I'm stupid....I pity you when you find out differently.

12clicks

April, I've got a hundred grand I'll bet against that statement and I'll be happy to leave it with lensman. How about you put up your hundred grand to match it and we'll see who wins.

oops, you can't do that can you?
I'd tell you I'd see you in the checkout line but, um, I don't shop there.
See you in the morning honey, keep making those tgps, they'll make you millions.

aprilkorova

12 clicks,

You stupid shit...don't you dare presume what kind of income I have at my disposal or even where I shop. I already posted on the other thread, what I feel about you and how I want to settle it. You have seriously mistaken who the fuck you're dealing with. ICQ me prick, I have a few things to set your pussy ass straight on.

12clicks

ok april, I've got you all wrong.
put up the 100k or blow away you dumb cunt.

12clicks

damn, I wish I started this thread. I'd hate for hq to make anything else off of my work.

aprilkorova

YOU blow away you dumb cunt!

12clicks

ooooh, I guess you showed me!

aprilkorova

OHHH, I'm gonna show you.

You just gave me the reason to show up at a convention. And you won't see me coming you fuck! I'll look like any of the other women there. I may proposition you for a lap dance, I may ask you to the back for a private show, etc. And before you get your ass royally kicked, You are going to look up at me with your pathetic geeky stare and say, "WHHHYYYY?" LOL! I can't wait!

12clicks

I don't cavort with whores at shows. If you want to catch me off gaurd pretend you can sell me 100k hits a day. hahaha idiot

mischief

For the life of me, I'll never understand why people choose combustibles to put out fires.

aprilkorova

After this little exchange, I have now relized that you are a NOTHING. You have no good comebacks when someone confronts you...(which was the test on this and on the other thread btw). You have shown yourself to be the geeky nerd, anonymous bullshit poster, that you are.

My point has been proven

You are a pussy. In the real streets, you'd last as fast as you could run.

You disgust me.

I can't wait to meet you in person, so I can put you back in your place.....nerd of the school I'll see you at the next convention, unfortunately for you....you won't see me

12clicks

christ, I just peed my pocket protector!

HQ

12clicks,

i didn't break your rules. you paid me and your excuse lacks any logic: your mac crashed and you lacked the ability to get by my disabled right-clicking on your pc. (and i gave you step-by-step instructions on how to get around it.) you got very frustrated over nothing and passed my situation to another employee. fair enough. at least you didn't 'hang up' on me. that employee determined i was legit and should be paid. he/she paid me and reinstated my account.

how's the 'unauthorized payment' defense flawed?:

if you knew i was cheating with these system-crashing popups, you would not have passed my situation down to another employee. i have the email which proves you did this.

it was no mistake or weakness in your company. check your history and logs and you will see. why is it so hard to believe that i might be 100% correct here? i am. your emails and records and logs all show that i am. check my traffic productivity and you'll see that i couldn't have cheated you.

12clicks,
your memory deceives you. you have dealt with 1,000s of cheaters in the past, only a few of which you remember anything about. to assume i'm one of these insignificant backstabbers is a good guess according to probability, but it would have been a better guess if my payment was denied. i'm that 1 in 1,000 who isn't a cheater. i was paid, so your assumption should have been that i didn't cheat, and was cancelled by accident.

check your records and admit your mistake. i'll eventually show the emails which will prove you are wrong. this will show that you have been lying about me and calling my a cheater. why put yourself in this situation?

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Pete Dogg

What's the lesson to be learnt here?

I believe the only way to ensure you do not get cheated by a sponsor is to use a partnership program where ibill.com or ccbill.com pays you.

A lot of click sponsors are unreliable.

I've even had problems with per sign up sponsors, even though my ratio was like 1:550 and 1:300. Crazy world. The per sign up sponsors did pay in the end.


** Neutral Post **

Peace,
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Juge

Mischief,

Have you been reading this thread lately?

"...but if it's all directed at people cheating his program..."

The point is, that it is not all directed at people cheating. Read the thread and see... Now, Do you still defend him?

No one here, who has posted yet, is standing behind a cheater.

Isn't it funny how I explained the entire problem in a specific, easy to read, post, and yet the guy has not replied to any of it. All he has done in a single reply is address why I dodged an irrelevant comment that someone else said.

If you can't deal with the facts, then stop posting bullshit. The intelligence here is mind boggling. I wonder if he has graduated elementary, yet? No stars for you today. Bad boy.

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Rose,

I have no problem with 12clicks hating CP, because I think it is sick as shit, myself.

However, this is not the issue here.


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Juge

Everyone:

It is a common fallacy for people to believe those with 'power' such as Lensman. They believe what they say to be the truth at all times. This is not always the case. Lensman isn't God, so we know this cannot always be the case. Do as a jury would do, and take the facts as they have been presented here. I wish Lensman would do the same, but he has no time to read (probably because my posts are 10 pages long).

Lensman:

Of course people cheat. I caught a big one for you the other day. (I reported him to you through another company of mine that does not deal with you, to remain anonymous. I do not wish to stir shit up unnecessarily. Remember, I saved a screen shot of the javascript pop-up window that he used as a way to cheat?) Why don't you tell 12clicks that I dislike the bastards as much as he does. Those of you (actually just one of you in particular) who think I support cheaters must have their heads shoved up their ass. I catch cheaters all the time. I report them all. I enjoy doing this. I receive no benefits from the sponsors in doing so.

Everyone:

The issue here is not about how to deal with cheaters. It's how to deal with people. People who just may be honest. Mistakes happen. The overwhelming evidence that has come from both sides state that a mistake was made. 12clicks wrongly bitched out a legit affiliate, and proved himself that he made no effort in the justification of his actions. Need I quote the email that proves this once more? (Yes, I will, because I will probably get wrongly dissed if it appears that I am offering only an opinion without proof.) The email is question is this:

"I've been to your sites. You shit freezes my Mac and you've disabled right clicking on my pc. I have no interest in looking any further. I'm sure XXXXX was right in his/her decision.
XXXXX"

These are facts people.

Funny how no one is responding to the facts.

Opinions do not mean anything when there is enough facts to prove a point beyond a reasonable doubt.

Lensman:

I swear all the time. It doesn't bother me. To have a sponsor accuse a legit affiliate of cheating bothers me. To have this sponsor calling people names on this board whom he has never dealt with before is utterly ridiculous. Please reconsider who you are vouching for.

To Lens, and other major sponsors:

I know that there is no other major sponsor on this board (or elsewhere) that has the balls to back up 12clicks under the terms of stating that they believe the posts made by 12clicks are justified. How do you justify the bitching out of people who say nothing more except that his posts are very unprofessional. Look on this thread for proof of this before you reply. If you do believe that they are justified, then tell us. Enlighten us. We await. I really, really would like an answer to this.

If anyone out there does not believe the way he handles business is respectable, let it be known. Remove his links. Tell your affiliates to do the same. Name calling does not accomplish a thing. Let it be known that this is not acceptable.

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12clicks

dopey, this was my response to his begging me to look into it.
I've look at hundreds of thousands of sites in my time maybe 20 freeze my mac (that's the whole point of me using it and having it set up the way it is)
out of those 20, all 20 cheated.
Also, out of the hundreds of requests I get to look into why MY people wrongly accused someone of cheating, maybe 5 or 6 were reversed.
These are the facts. If this clown got paid, it was a screw up on our end (I'll admit that the screwup may have been that my people didn't save the html)

Whatever the case, if his business was worth having, I'd have it.

How many traffic brokers do you know with my longevity? How many have come and gone?
What makes me different?
I know what's valuable and what isn't, I know what's important and what isn't.

ED

Wow... EXACTLY what i was thinking.


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ED

Sounds like you aren't the type to admit he's made a mistake. You seem to think that because you've been around for so long, you are incapable of making mistakes.


I just have to say that i've been trading traffic wih HQ for about 16 months now and i've NEVER seen more then 1 popup on any of his sites. I trust him 100% and he's never been anything but helpfull.



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12clicks

Ted, why would anyone care what YOU think?

ED

Ted?

I'm assuming you meant ED since i can't see a Ted in this thread. (that rhymes)

Anyway...

Way to go man.
I see you're continuing to use childish defensive remarks.


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HQ

12clicks,

so if a site freezes your mac, then it's cheating one of your programs? that logic is impeccable.

did you reload your mac and my site to make sure it was me that froze your mac? no, you moved on to your pc and got caught be my disabled right-clicking and gave up. why didn't you 'save as...'?

who wants to use a sponsor who cancels you for no reason and then can't take the time to see that you weren't cheating them? you didn't take the time to see whether i was cheating you or not... so you can't call me a cheater. my emails show this.

reload my site right now in your mac, if it froze it then, it should still freeze it now even though i'm not using mojosearch anymore. (anyone got a mac? let me know if it freezes.)

i was one of those 5 or 6 reversals. a very likely story that it was a mistake, considering you have no place else to go except admit your mistakes. you'd rather admit that an employee made the mistake of paying me.

your longevity and vouches and 'knowledge of importance' do not change the truth. look at your records and you will see that i'm not a cheater. why haven't you done this yet?



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12clicks

HQ, if you want to keep this up, I'll be happy to. I never turn on my PC except as a last resort. the 3rd time my mac froze was time for the last resort.
Also, you weren't called a cheater for that. My employee marked you a cheater for breaking the rules. The nonsense with your pages crashing my mac just meant that you wasted enough of my time and I wouldn't be looking into your problem.

Let me repeat that so it sinks in,"MY EMPLOYEE MARKED YOU A CHEATER FOR BREAKING OUR RULES"

HQ

12clicks,
i'd like to know if my site freezes a mac. can you or anyone check this for me? (2.12% of all my visitors are mac users, gotta respect them!)

Your employee marked me as a cheater for breaking the rules, yes, and then changed his/her mind and paid me for not breaking the rules.

i'm still not sure which rule i supposingly broke. 1) popping additional windows with your search (which i didn't do)? or 2) target=_blank'ing your results (which i did do, but the rules allowed it back then.)

either way i'm clean. i got you personally to over see my code and ensure me that i wasn't cheating you.

i have never, and will never, admit to popping additional windows with your search. if this had been the case, there would have been no room for errors on your side. my traffic productivity would also show that i didn't do this.

(that post on the other thread was suppose to tell everyone that i'm not arguing over money. MOJOSEARCH PAID ME EVERYTHING THEY OWE ME.)

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Juge

Finally 12clicks has replied to me. Let's analyze his amazing ability to solve logical problems.

"dopey, this was my response to his begging me to look into it."

As a loyal affiliate who was not paid by that time, of course he would ask you to look into it. This statement is meaningless.

"I've look at hundreds of thousands of sites in my time maybe 20 freeze my mac (that's the whole point of me using it and having it set up the way it is)
out of those 20, all 20 cheated."

Please go back to school and take some mathematics courses to improve your logical reasoning abilities. Ok, so 20 sites that he checked out all freeze his Mac. These 20 sites all cheated. Therefore, if a site freezes my Mac, it's a cheater. That is illogical.

"Also, out of the hundreds of requests I get to look into why MY people wrongly accused someone of cheating, maybe 5 or 6 were reversed."

More logic. "Maybe 5 or 6 were reversed." Therefore you finally admit that your company is not completely perfect. Therefore you admit that there is a chance that you may accuse a honest webmaster of cheating. Have you ever heard of 'innocent until proven guilty'? Are we learning, yet?

"These are the facts. If this clown got paid, it was a screw up on our end (I'll admit that the screwup may have been that my people didn't save the html)"

NO, THOSE WERE STATS. THEY ARE NOT FACTS. Go back to school and take a statistics course. Take a law course, too, and learn how to deal with facts.

FACT: You did not save the html, then you have NO PROOF that he was cheater. Innocent until proven guilty.

FACT: He asked you to look at his code for verification. You did.

FACT: You admitted that you thought he was cheating because your system crash while browsing his system. Because other cheaters have caused your system to crash, you therefore believe that he was cheating. This is illogical.

FACT: You admitted to writing an email which states you place no effort into justifying that he was cheating.

FACT: Your company reversed its decision and paid him. It is a FACT that your email records would prove this. So save it.

"Whatever the case, if his business was worth having, I'd have it."

If your business was worth having, then maybe I may consider thinking about it. It is not.

"How many traffic brokers do you know with my longevity? How many have come and gone?
What makes me different?
I know what's valuable and what isn't, I know what's important and what isn't. "

A typical irrelevant response to this discussion.

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Hypo

If the only way someone with years of internet experience knows to view source is by right clicking, he must be a moron.

12clicks

jude, hype, hq.

If the 3 of you post your non-sense every day for a year it wouldn't make a difference. In my YEARS of catching cheaters I've built a rep. for being right. You can make all the arguments you want, if you don't agree with me, your wrong and no one but your friends and other cheaters will tell us differently. Get it?


Jude, you should really fixate on a woman instead of me. Anyone taking your kind of time to study this thread that has nothing to do with you is scary.
Are you one of those slow boys that bag my wifes groceries when she's at the store? You know the ones. kinda stare at you in that wierd way. That's the vibe I'm getting from you.

mischief

You got that right Ron, he's kinda givin me the creeps too.

12clicks

hehe, I'm getting that scary oompa loompa vibe.

Hypo

Man, what a bunch o' morons running a company. The employer doesn't know how to view the source if he cant right click, the employees dont know enough to save the html when they find someone cheating. Walmart's about to get itself some certified cretins.

HQ

12clicks, it has been determined that you DO pay people who DON'T cheat you!

mojosearch email to HQ:

"I'm XXXXXX from Mojosearch and I've checked out your account, everything seems to be fine. I'm sending your check out for $XXXXXX."

mojosearch DOESN'T owe me any money. thank you.

(yes, show's over... nothing to see here... time for bed...)

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ED

Hahaha
thats good.


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12clicks

hypo, that's lofty talk from a guy working out of his bedroom.

hahahaha.

ED

I work out of my bedroom. It pays the bills quite nicely. Hopefully buying a viper next summer. I don't think there is anything wrong with working out of your bedroom. In fact. I'd say it is by far the best place i've ever worked.

Have a nce day


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12clicks

A viper! damn, you ARE making it. You'll be the envy of your trailer park!

ED

Haha... funny 12clicks


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sweetjimmy

Why the fuck is this thread still going? Yes 12clicks is an asshole. Get over it or kill yourself. Whatever comes first.

Juge

You made one pathetic attempt at a post to address some facts, and I tore it apart. I came back to see if you had anything in response to that, but you don't. I am getting tired of making you look like a fool. I hope for your sake that we never meet in a court, because I would eat you up and spit you out.

...All the fool had to do was check his records, post them, and admit to his mistakes. He has already admitted to his immaturity, stupidity and ignorance, why not just admit to the rest, and close the deal?

I'm outta here. Post away, I'm not reading anymore... the week's over... you lose.

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12clicks

damn jude, you got me! you're smart and I'm stupid.
Lets get a show of hands for all the people who would rather be you. hahahahahahahaha

11,5clicks

Well Ron, I'm still waiting for you to call everyone a nordic childporn supporter again, even the guys that run the biggest childporn report site in the world. So what will it take to get you going again as stupid as we all know you because that is REALY entertaining.
Again you prove to be the guy you realy are and not some hotshot that screws you over and talk sweet after that.
This has nothing to do with stealing or cheating. It was just a simple question from HQ but you feel beeing kicked in the balls again isn't it Ron?
Maybe it is because you have some stealing practices to hide for the public that you feel beeing attacked so fast.
My conclusion is that Standard Internet should stick to their non adult programs because i hear they have some satisfied users their. For the rest we should ban them from the adult section because they are the most unprofessional sponsor i have ever seen.
Get your fist out of lensmans,jjj and everyone you think is important ass and pack your stealing company out of the adult bussines.

best regards

12clicks

well, we've hit a new high! I've been banned from the adult internet by an anon pedophile.
what is the world coming to?

11,5clicks

Is that realy the best you can do Ron?

I am very disapointed with your reply because it doesn't sound like you yet.
Just show everyone that you are even a bigger asshole than they can see already in this post.

c-ya

12clicks

isn't it past your bedtime little boy?

11,5clicks

BigRon, I want to be like you. I want your money, your good looks, and your big dick. You are my hero.

Standard Internet RULES!!!<font color="505050"

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