Still believe in the " tooth fairy " ????

Take the US $ and military aid , and Israel would be a " sand pit ".
And BTW, ever saw the olive plabtation of the palestinians? or they farms ( not cut off by the great wall)...

Again, if Israel is so great, why aren't all jews going to live there ??? In fact, in percentage, how many jews live in Israel to compare to how many in the rest of the world???

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...20Ex tremists

Sharon says Israel will abandon the Gaza Strip and four West Bank settlements by the end of 2005 as part of a strategy to reduce attacks on Israelis and preserve Israel's Jewish character by giving up territory with large Arab populations.

But many settlers consider the withdrawals to be a concession to Palestinian violence. Some are religious Jews who believe the land is promised to the Jews in the Bible.

Security officials expect most of the 7,500 Jewish settlers in Gaza to take government compensation and leave peacefully. The Yesha Council, a settler umbrella group, stresses that it rejects violence against fellow Jews, though Eran Sternberg, a settler spokesman in Gaza, told The Associated Press: "I cannot be responsible for everyone."

heres THE BEST FUCKING PART!!!!!!!!!1





Avigdor Neventzal, a senior Jerusalem rabbi, made a similar statement last month, saying anyone who removes Jewish settlements from the West Bank could be subject to the death penalty under biblical law.

biblical law!

gotta love it

Wrong. Muslims believe that the Qu'ran is valid for all time. In any case, the Qu'ran was not compiled until 200 years after Muhammad's death so what would be the point in it containg Sharia rules which did not apply after that.....

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Again with the excuses. I wouldn't have expected them to welcome an Israeli state with open arms back then. The past is past and we must deal with the present situation. Sharon has clearly stated his intentions time and time again, it is he who doesn't want a Palestinian state. It is he who believes in biblical prophecies and in some sort of holy land/apocalypse/whatever.

No he doesn't. He's mainly secular. I'm no great fan of Sharon's so you won't get me on that point. Sharon wanted to keep the land Israel conquered (as per international law) in the defensive wars although the prospect of a Pali state isn't so bad when you consider that if they launch attacks then Israel will simply be able to invade.

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Many secular Jews aren't living in Israel. Do I also have to mention the Christian zionists who invest hundreds of millions of dollars per year to encourage poor Jewish people from abroad to go live in Israeli settlements? The problem would've been much easier to solve if it wasn't for the Christian zionists who put there nose in it and try to stirr even more trouble between Israelis and Palestinians. You can have as many secular Jews as you want, the number of Christian zionists vastly outnumbers them and pushes the balance in favor of the religious ones.

I don't see much of a problem with Jews migrating to Israel. It often allows them to escape the problems they have in Russia and to a lesser extent in Western Europe. History has shown that the only people the Jews can count on is themselves. It's about time that they were together in safety.

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The point I was making, is that I don't care. It can help them with security? Excellent then, I don't have a problem with it if they put it on there side of the border.

I'll say it again - The West Bank is Israeli territory, won as a legitimate spoil of deffensive war. It's the Palis who are the ones in the wrong - they should be the ones to suffer the consequences.

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No, they ARE a Jewish state. The UK is not called a Christian state.

No, they are a parliamentary democracy. Judaism is their state religion. They are sometimes called the "Jewish State" on TV, instead of "the State of Israel".

yes it should be the best...

No it doesn't want to. They just hope that the Palestinians will accept the fact that Israel have to take there land without reacting with violence.
When they came close to peace, Rabin was assassinated and it wasn't the Palestinians who did that.
Israel is occupying Palestine, it's up to Israel to control those groups. Heck, the Palestinian authority can't even keep the streets safe from gangsters, you expect them to be able to defeat extremist groups? Once there's a Palestinian state and an actual government then yes I'd expect the government to control those groups. Israel itself was created thanks to terrorism.

Hooray, someone else actually knows what they are talking about.

That's funny! All Jews are not in Israel because they don't have to be! The point I was trying to make is that if something like the Holocause were to ever happen again, there would be a state commited to helping Jews...The fact that Jews were saved by the Allies in WWII was incedental...Not 1 country said 'hey look, Hitler is killing all the jews in europe, let's try to stop him'...Now, will be someone to say that...

Also, last I checked, there was more then one Muslim country, more then 1 Christian country, more then one Buddhist country...I don't know about Jehovah's Witness...I doubt they have their own coutry...Again, the point I raised was that if someone ever set out to destroy buddism, these buddist states would rise to the challange....The Jews never had that before the inception of the state of Israel, which is why Israel's existence is so vital for the Jews.

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Its the price they pay for their leader ship.

Doesnt project_naughty sounds like TheKing ????

the irony of the jews having "MUSEUM OF TOLERANCE in Los Angeles.

they should oput a MUSEUM OF TOLERANCE in Israel

hahaha

is there one there? I have no clue.

I would never go to israel.

They did have a land though until the Israelis came and had the idea of using terrorism against the English in order to get there own state.

You're a fucking idiot. I never said that the Bible was peaceful. I didn't even meantion the Bible. Is "Fletch" Mongolian for "dumbest shit-for-brains around"? You dumb fucking crackhead. :1orglaugh

Since I want to move ( lol), could you please list the "OFFICIAL" country for each of these religions listed above....


Which country is THE christian country ???

lol yep

So much ignorance on this board...makes you wonder.

Hey, what percent of gfy members do you suppose went on to get a University degree?

yes but the reality is different and happened what happened you can say same about usa and the Indians, Australia and allot of other countries.

speaking of military aid, just came across this.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats...of_israel.html

By Richard H. Curtiss
former U.S. Foreign Service Officer

(this is simply being posted for those who want to read about how much money is actually being handed over)

the amount is phenominal.

lets assume its only 3 billion a year. How many jews in Israel last population check?

in 2002 there were 6.5 million so, lets divide that amongst them.

3 billion divded by 6.5 million jews = about 153$ per person.

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this is not being posted for race reasons or anything negative, simply about the numbers, that is a lot of money considering Israels exports only account for 32 billion.

okay but this numbers are fake...

No I'm not wrong, I read explanations about that quote. Maybe you'll say that the Muslim Imam is wrong to but that doesn't matter because one way or another, the majority of Muslims don't believe in killing non-Muslims.

So I'm guessing the fact that he says he's there to accomplish biblical prophecies is just a joke?

They're mostly migrating to settlements.
For some reason you sound like one of those crazy white Christian militas in the south of the US.

It's not a defensive war.

It's a non-democratic Jewish state. They're called a Jewish state because it's a state that won't let non-Jews have a majority of the vote.

Ahhhhahahahahaha! You are a moron!

there are so many things wrong to point out here, I just don't know where to begin!

Firstly, the point I (thought I) made was that every major faith has AT LEAST ONE country devoted to it! Because most have *more then one*, many don't have an *official* state. I said Israel was important to Jews because they did not have their own state....

Have you ever heard of the Vatican, moron? LOL! geee whiz!

how so?

ive heard 3 billion a year in aid for awhile, how much then?

what is incorrect population?

i am getting numbers from Jewish sites

Suppose you could not find the answer to such an easy question . So here goes, dummy:

Population of Jews in Israel today: 6,203,300
Jews in Israel, as a percentage of world Jewry : 37 %


if you want to know more :

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...tory/is52.html


Don't know, but you are obviously not one of them
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http://www.jewishpost.com/jp0807/jpn0807q.htm

Israel's total population in 2002 is 6.5 million people. But only 37% of the total world Jewish population live in Israel.

The US $ helps Israel but Egypt is also given $2 - 3 billion per year also. They have not rivalled Israel's success.

When the land was partitioned by the UN, the Palis were given most of the best arable land (with those olive groves) whilst the Jews got the Negev desert, which they then turned into an oasis.

Palis, and other Muslims, hate the Jews because the Jews, according to Islam, are the "sons of apes and pigs" but Allah seems to have given them all the best guns and the most success. So you go figure.

And why don't all Jews live in Israel? THe same reason that all British don't live in Britain and all Americans don't live in America.

It's a symbolic start - tho the ruling is not binding...

The sooner the US stops supplying weapons to Israel and turning a blind eye on their nuclear arms development while condeming Iran for the same thing - there may be the start of some sanity.

When I think of all the people who have, over several decades, been dumped in "detention camps", marched at gunpoint at 4am into village squares and mistreated as a "rule" by Israel and sometimes tortured, - it is little surprise they retaliate and bomb the shit out of *anyone* handy. When people have no arms, - gunships and "real arms" - they use what is available.

Some folks from the "west" are good at sitting on their fat asses and making judgements about the "good" and "evil" of others in countries they clearly know fuck all about, with the exception of the "spin" they are fed. I can't see any one of them tolerating the conditions in Palestine in their own back yards.

I've known several families of Palestinian people who have move away - they are not stupid or uneducated people - they just don't want their children tolerating the Israeli actions and seeing their father with a gun at his head.

Both Palestine and Israel have contributed to their own shit - neither is blameless. The messing by outside parties like the US is equally not blameless - there are bloody hands all round.

There is an intertional blindness over Israel by some who choose to ignore the truth and any balance for their own. often selfish, ends. It's another "we went to war with Iraq to stop their WMD program" lie...

The past is past, that's not what I'm complaining about. I'm just saying, in order for me to support Israel it'd involve Israel removing the settlements and creating a Palestinian state or Israel and Palestine becoming one state with everyone sharing equal rights. But that's not what Sharon wants.

Well assume that this numbers are not published officially by any government in the world. There is no logical reason a site on the web will publish delectated info like sum's country receives as a support from anther country or any other finances. Regarding the Israeli population it's around the numbers you written but not exact...

OOOOOOO, you have more posts then me! LOL! You are so much better and smarter then me! LOL! :321GFY

I really pity you, you hate-filled person. Not everyone experiences the same shitty existence as you! If you don't believe me, go read the works of Hippocrates, Socrates, Plato, Plotinus......Thomas Aquinas.... Hobbes, Locke, Berkely (and many others from the enlightenment).

You get your kicks by coming onto this board and trying to belittle people because you have more posts then them! Hah! What a life you must live.

It's people like you who walk into your fucking office and shoot up the place...

semantics, semantics, semantics.

okay 6.4357768574584 million jews.

Well Palestinians leave in the Israeli state and have equal rights as Jews or even more.... Regarding the settlemeant the Israeli government want to remove them at all and separate from the authority. :winkwink:

Can't we all just get along? :glugglug

Turn the switch on ... please ...

So, to follow YOUR point , you would find normal if 37% only of americans lived in the US, or 37% of Canadians in Canada, or 37% of British...

So, why 63% of the Jews not living in Israrl, mainly after you saying how great it is... and wanting a country for so long?

i love when the kids bring up POST count

notice noone did but him, but hey I come here to pick on guys with small post counts.

HAHAHAH

hate filled?

nah, disgust for the human race cannot be mistaken for hate

Sad when ya look and see the low level of comment and quibbling over "statistics" :winkwink:

It's not really a "point" if there is 1 or 10 million - the principle is the same.

I can assume that this part of the calculation is correct but the budget can not be real.

No, the Israeli government isn't going to remove them all, we both know it and the wall is an excuse to keep expanding and taking more and more of Palestinian territory.

Are you for real? 60 years ago the place was a fucking barren waste land! If you were dropped into Tel-Aviv, you couldn't tell it apart from any other major urban city across the world...

I can even believe I have to say this...I was not comparing Israel to the US, the GDP of the US is 3 times higher then then the next highest in the world....

But, all things considered, the progress Israel has made in terms of economic development is nothing short of amazing...if you have any understanding and knowledge of economics, as a study, you would not dare dispute that.

Israel has one of the most advanaced high-tech sectors in the world....the country if a little over 60 years old! Before you respond to this, take a few minutes to read this, then re-read it and actually consider how amazing it is that people turned a desert into an industrial powerhouse in 60 years.

well the rest was not born there im sure that if you will analyze the number of the Jews that were born in Israel and decide to leave it for other country you will find the numbers that are smellier to reality.

incorrect.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/11062.pdf

"US has annually given 3 billion to Israel" since 1985.

in addition to the 3, israel gets 1 billion "through philanthropy, and another 1 billion in Israel bonds"
read the first paragraph!

"Israel is not economically self-sufficient and relies on foreign assistance and money to maintain."

you think I make this shit up?????

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/11062.pdf

its all there if you willing to read