that's stupid

makes No Diff. where they build it as long as it prevents ONE death.

get your ass on over 2 the Congo and help them.

i hope that the israelis will stay on THEIR OWN SITE TOO.. :2 cents:

Israel does not initiate attacks...it responds to attacks. There would not be any killing of Palestinians if the Palestinians did not attack. The fact is that there are multiple "terrorost" .orgs within and without...some of which...have sworn that they will not rest... nor will their children and their children's...children...until Israel ceases to exist.

I wonder if you have a source for these stats? They are amazing if true, since the wall/fence is still only about one-quarter complete...

Meanwhile, translated from a much longer piece that appeared in Yediot Aharanot (Israel's most popular daily newspaper) last October:

"What is the logic of such an evil, mad fence? Allegedly it tries to separate "us" from "them". But in reality, it connects tens of thousands of Palestinians to Israel. It allegedly tries to stop murderous suicide-bombers, but in fact it creates for them a magnificent hothouse and does not impede them in any way from their current mode of action.

And to what purpose are billions of shekels, 3 billion so far spent ? all dedicated to ruin the lives of tens of thousands of Palestinians, to crush their dignity, destroy their property, dispossess them of their land?

Tragically, this is probably the idea. This is the secret of the wall: not security, nothing like it. Not war against terrorism, war against
reason. A slow-motion catastrophe. Gradual strangulation. An evil illusion that an entire people can be made to surrender and become a nation of slaves, to make Sharon's and Mofaz' wet-dream come true."

He's the one complaining about it, not me.

I agree, Israel would live peacefully with the Palestinians if the Palestinians agreed to leave there land to the Israelis and never complain about it.

So be it, the mother fuckers ask for it and they are getting it.

If the people WANT 2 get rid of the terrorist they can, turn there ass's in.

If they want 2 starve the can, don't turn' em in.

If they want 2 see there kids go hungry they can.

Really? They where screaming for the oppressed Jewish people to come to there land and make it into a Jewish state?

who'd leave his own land?! would you leave YOUR land?

Well they are building it on their land. I don't know if you're up on your international law but the West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza were captured during a defensive war. This means that they are now sovereign Israeli territory.
The reason behind that law is to stop agressive states from launching spurious attacks on others, like the Arabs did to teh Israelis, so that there's a chance they may have to pay a price for their agression.
For an example, if Canada was to invade the USA and the USA repelled the attack by counter-invading Canada, the USA could keep the part of Canada they had taken as their own as legitimate spoils of a defensive war.

In the case of Israel and the surrounding Jordyptian ("Palestinian") territory, Israel agreed to give back the land in return for peace. However, the Palis did not fulfil a single one of their obligations under the roadmap and therefore the ISraelis were left with no choice but to build the wall. And it has been a resounding success.
The Palis may whine and stupid Westerners may get sucked in to feeling sorry for them but at the end of the day, if all you want to do is murder Jews and throw their bodies into the Mediterranean, you might have to pay a price for this.
With Israel's arsenal of weapons, they could have just wiped the "Arab world" off the map. However, they chose not to do so. If the Palis had the Israelis' arsenal do you think they would have held back? They have shown three times since 1948 that they would not.

You don't have to like Jews if you do not want to, but at least do the decent thing and commit yourself to learing the facts about the Middle East.
If Israel falls, we all will. Islam isn't going to stop until it either conquers the world or is stopped by brave, smart people like how you will be once you commit yourself to learning the facts.

Thanks for your contribution :helpme

From today's main op-ed in Ha'aretz, another major Israeli daily:

"...we must also not be afraid to state that 21st century Zionism will not survive if the new interpretation of the "Jewish state" is an apartheid state that rules over the Palestinians against their will. We must remember that the suffering of the Palestinians who live under Israeli occupation is as desperate as was that of the Jews of Europe in the late 19th century"

I was being sarcastic.

What part of WALL do you not understand.

Ain't no Jews going 2 rule over any Palestinians. Palestinians have there side of the wall and the Jews have there's.

they've been in palestine long time before the jews came there..

What are you talking about? If I come to take away your home, you refuse and beat me up and I react by killing you, I'm just defending myself?

Boy, you're really terrified by them. It reminds me of Hitler and his views on Jewish people.

read project_naughty post above.

read it.. racistic and wrong..

Wrong.......

Jews were there first. Not that that matters, of course. Things change.

In any case, there is no such thing as a "Palestinian". "Palestine" was a word invented in the 1920s. It was a British mandated territory which the UN decided to split between Jews and Muslims, seeing as the Muslims had been slaughtering the Jews there since the 7th century and especially over the last 100 years.
There is no Palestinian language, culture or currency. It's 'cos there's never been a Palestine.

I'm not one to be fooled by the liberal elite media (you won't know what that means). :Graucho

Correct! You are right.

Thats really all that needs saying. Some people in the world and here on this board simply hate Jews and don't think they have a right to protect themselves.

I smile everytime someone dies in the middle east

including and not limited to muslims, jews, the iraq christians Chaldeans, even Romulans and Klingons!!!

greets to santa clause

It is not wrong ...go do some research

:1orglaugh

Some people in the world and here on this board simple hate Muslims and don't think they have a right to live freely.

Israel wants to protect itself? Sure it can build a wall without taken Palestinian land in the process. Did anyone say no to that? Even the Palestinians agree with such a wall as long as it doesn't take away there land.

No, it's correct. Go and read a book for god's sake.

And I'm not "racistic" [sic] against them. How can I be when I belong to the same "race" as them....

"If Israel falls, we all will. Islam isn't going to stop until it either conquers the world or is stopped by brave, smart people like how you will be once you commit yourself to learning the facts"

the apocalypse is coming

But you don't belong to the same religion as them.

people on this board are more than liberal.:Graucho they are on the verge of if not down right ___________ I'll let you fill in the blank.:2 cents:

You get 2 smile a lot.

yep.

I realized long ago to stop caring about those mother fuckers and just watch them kill each other off.

"nothings gonna change the world"

they want to build a wall and kill Palestenians, neither me, the UN, or anyone is going to stop them.

therewofre, I will LAUGH OUT FUCKING LOUD everytime

should California build a wall along our borders? The US as a whole?

fuck everyone, let them die.

The reason informed people hate Muslims is because of what the Muslims believe. If someone believed that you should die simply because you did not believe in their god would you not hate that person? Would you not want to first try to tell them that they were wrong and if that failed to try and protect yourself from them? If there was one lesson from WW2 it was that is someone says they want to kill you then you should believe them.

And the Palestinians DO NOT AGREE TO THE WALL UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE BE IT IN ISRAEL PROPER OR IN THE DISPUTED TERRITORIES. The Palis want to iradicate the state of Israel and in the current absence of their own nuclear weapons the wall/ fence is stopping them from acheiving that goal.
Speaking of walls, the Saudis have also built a wall between themselves and Yemen to stop terrorist infiltration into their country. It has been successful. There is also a wall between N and S Korea to stop infiltration from the North. It has so far been successful.
If the Palis cease trying to destroy Israel the Israelis will dismantle the wall. It's as simple as that.
Israel has it's own resident Arab population who have full rights and even have Arab MPs in the Knesset.

OME POPULATION FIGURES FOR MANDATE PALESTINE.

In 1880 there were 24,000 Jews living among 450,000 Palestinians.
In 1914 there were 56,000 Jews living among 715,000 Palestinians.
In 1922 there were 83,000 Jews living among 663,000 Palestinians.
In 1936 there were 385,400 Jews living among 983,200 Palestinians.
In 1940 there were 467,000 Jews living among 1,050,000 Palestinians.
In 1946 there were 600,000 Jews living among 1,300,000 Palestinians.

It's impossible to be racist against a religion or ideology because a religion or ideology is not a race. I almost feel embarrassed for you having to spell that out.


Think McFly, think. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Is there a reason why they wouldnt build it in their own land?

aaaaah.. so you hate ppl because they call their god allah and not jahve.. thats much better!

religion is included in the discrimination laws

Several reasons for the figures:

1. That area of the world was the traditional Jewish homeland.
2. As Jews were expelled from their host Arab/ European countries during pogroms the Israel area was one area they could go to.
3. More Jews being born than dying, same with the resident Muslims.

You're saying that the Muslims believe you should die simply because you don't believe in their god? Gimme a break.

A Palestinian official stated on TV that what Israel does in there side of the border is none of the business of Palestinians and they can build a wall as long as it doesn't take away Palestinian land. That was long ago, just when the wall was starting.

Really? All I see is acts of desperation and revenge. On the other hand, Sharon has stated that he's in Israel to accomplish Biblical prophecies and that the settlements where built to make the creation of a Palestinian state an impossible task.

And did they build that wall inside Yemen taking away some of it's land in the process?

Israel is a Jewish state, meaning it's non-democratic, they'll never allow a Muslim population to have the majority of votes. You already know that.

No, because I'm not Jewish. You're pretty dumb, making stupid assumptions like that.

So........... hypothetically if I made a religion which called for the slaughter of all cats, dogs and babies then you would not be allowed to disagree with me where you live.

Where I live it is illegal to discriminate (in employement etc) on grounds of religion but there's no law saying I have to respect their religion. If I want to say "I don't like Islam because it calls for the death of me and all people like me (including you)" then I am allowed to. And so I should be.