Meloman

I know Ifriends is HUGE and makes bank per month. What about the models though? If done right (good cam equiptmant, huge constantly updated fan site etc.) are there models that make upwards of $10K a month..maybe even $20K+?

It says in there cam signup area that some models have now broke the Million dollar mark since Ifriends first launched.

My guess is that most people barely make $1K a month with it and the few that do make bank are the professional porn stars that all ready have a huge following and ifriends is just a simple way for them to run there adult sites. Am I right?

What I'm basically wondering is that since Ifriends is sooo huge and therefore has a ton of traffic....if it's possible to play there system full on and move to the top and be one of there biggest players and what that's worth?

Any feedback at all is greatly appreciated :-)

axelcat

yes

dropped9

Are you gunna get nekkid big boy?

Meloman

Only if you're my best customer

Actually in all honesty a very close friend of mine is looking at getting in the business and we're just tossing a million ideas around.

I'm just wondering if Ifriends can be a simple way in. It's all about learning there system and figuring out how to rank the best. So I'm wondering if with my webmaster talent I could learn there system and get her ranking top dog and in return get 50%

She is SUPER fine too...at least I think so, lol.

A C

Put your models in www.livewebfriends.com/main.php?exit=false ifriends is too flooded

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tony286

A long time of ago not anymore too many girls.

molly_muddblood

Cam equipment and having a huge updated fan site has no correlation to success. There are girls who make G's without offering sound, without getting ANY outside traffic, or showing their face in free pics, or taking their clothes off. Being hot isn't a factor either, it's a requirement. All of your guesses are incorrect, and being flooded just makes the good apples rake in all of the benjamins because those are humans visiting that site, not statistics. Remember that live webcams are unlike any other type of adult entertainment, and standard sales techniques are no substitute for insight. Try it out before you develop any strategies because camming is not for everyone. Dumping insane amounts of traffic will generate money for practically anything, but it wont put you on the rankings without a hard-working, dedicated cam girl who has experience, doesn't yell-to-sell, and strives for self-improvement. Good luck and best wishes for fortune.

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Elli

hehe I was on Ifriends five years ago when a solo girl show cost 4.99$ a minute, and hardcore sex shows were 7.99 and up. Then some brainiacs started the .99 shows and everyone else had to compete. The bottom fell out and the surfers got REALLY mouthy, so I left. The cheques were nice, but definitely weren't worth that kind of abuse.

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Meloman

So basically you're saying as long as the girl is super hot above average AND she puts on quality shows then she can easily beat out people. So it's basically about being good looking enough and having a good enough personality that'll keep people coming back for more and then the $$$ add up.

Hmmm.... you got my mind thinking, lol

nastyking

ifriends is too flooded

that's actually a good reason to choose them if you are a model

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Meloman

Gotcha...so people can be really rude dicks on there and make the job that much harder.

I definetly am going to give this a try just to see how it is. I have 2 girls now willing to give this a whirl. One girl is cute and the other is a total hottie. The total hottie girl could can make a KILLING on the web if marketed right. I don't play around with nickle and dimes either, so I'm exploring all options cause I only want to invest my time in something with a good chance of success.

I also checked out the other cam company mentioned in this thread. I'll probably get the girls listed on multiple cam sites as a comparison test. Maybe working multiple cam networks at once could be a good business model?

Thanks for all the feedback everyone! I appreciate it :-)

doornx

might want to check out imlive.com...solid program and not as flooded as ifriends

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Dagwolf

Never underestimate the power of cute.

And, from my understanding, BBW camgirls can make the bucks too. I wouldn't tell any girl not to at least try camming if she wants to.

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Babagirls

same here lol i started caming on ifriends, thought the checks were really nice, but then every other guy comin in the room wanted something for free, or as they call it "warming up..."

went to sexxyeyes.com, and never looked back!

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molly_muddblood

99 cents? It's gotten worse, now there's free shows for a monthly price that you can cancel out of. The top girls still charge $5-$6/min, and who said BBW aren't included in the hot category? The cute ones are delicious.

I don't see why the corporate offices of cam sites haven't gotten wise to the prostitution problem. Huge losses are going out the door and only the hookers get paid while permanently removing whales from the marketplace. 3 hoes can yank $5,000-$10,000 in one month from one site, and they get their johns sent to them without having to spend time on doing anything but lines and drying off. It's funny how many free sites I go to thats promoting a specific cam girl and I'm like, "Haha, they don't even know she's a whore and they're sending webmasters' biggest paying customers directly to her without her even knowing it and they'll never return to porn again". It's not limited to one cam site either. That's their problem though, I don't rat on chicks I know and I don't want to step on Tommy Vercetti's toes either if he's running a "greasy" affiliate program lol.

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molly_muddblood

Good enough personality doesn't necessarily mean quality shows. Quality shows means knowing how to handle members and give them what they don't even know they wanted. It also requires a strong grasp of niche marketing and just plain good-ol experience since each girl brings her own magick to the table. When some guys ask for A, they'll also like B but are too afraid to ask or don't even know they like it. It's up to the cam girl to recognize these things because cam sites don't have sales handbooks like what can be found in the phone sex industry. She also has to be able to pull off a vareity of looks, classic and original, or risk becoming stale and stamped as a "same ol' bitch".

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Meloman

So you're saying some of the girls are straight up prostitutes that get the guy to come to them off camera and therefore remove money from the cam network?

You seem very experienced about the whole cam industry. I would love to chat more with you about what I have planed. Maybe I can send you some traffic or trade tips in return

Hit me up on ICQ if you're interested

tony286

You also have to be very patient my wife has been doing it for 4 yrs. Its like sitting there wating for a bus. Alot girls cant just sit there and wait. My wife has always had two monitors so it wasnt as painful.

Kard63

The bottom half of your rant made little sense.

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Kard63

no one is giving you hard figures.... I was interested in them.

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Kard63

Why doesn't she use 4 or 5 services simultaneously so she is more likely to be busy? Do you know what irls are making now in 8 hours?

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tony286

Thats hard to do because if I am correct you would need 4 or 5 cams and probabkly that many computers . Also when they come in to free chat you have to be on them quickly or they leave. Hard to do with 5 of them at once.

Meloman

Interesting... I kinda figured as much though. The biggest problem I'm facing is that the one girl is also a very, very successfull stripper pulling in over $10K - $20K monthly. She's gotten tired of stripping and likes how I make more then she does all from my computer at home and therfore wants to give this a try too.

But the problem is that there's no way in hell she's going to make $10K monthly right out of the gate. So I need to use my "skills" to get her stuff cranking something decent as quickly as possible before she gets bored and moves on. Sitting in front of the computer for 4 hours just to get a 20 minute cam session that will earn her less than $100 is a sure fire way for this NOT to work out, lol.

I know there has to be some girls out there that pull in BANK... I just need to figure out exactly what there strategy is and be able to get there super quick. And just like everything else in this business, if it works out then I'll milk it for all it's worth.

Meloman

Hmm..... Would be very cool if someone invented some software that could let a girl work multiple rooms/networks at once. Log into the program and it logs u into multple rooms at once etc..

I wonder if anyone has thought of that and if the software exists...even privatly????

Kard63

What is it that you currently do? Adult ? Just not cams?

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Meloman

What I currently do is:

1. Am a successfull adult webmaster with my own traffic network.
2. Am the Traffic Manager for Webquest and manage there exit traffic (Hustler.com, Vivid.com etc.).

I meet people all the time that want to also make money on the inernet just like we all do. And of course most people get my usual lines about it's hard to do etc.. and get them off my case that way.

In this particular case it's about a girl I've dated a bit on and off the past year or so. Since we're cool I figured I'll give her some help getting started....but at the same time I want to make money too (I don't come cheap). So my thinking is if I can get her making decent money and then add on more girls and multiple my earnings. Might work, might not.... I'm going to give it a shot but at the same time am busy enough with my OWN work that this isn't going to be some huge ass project for me, lol.

Donnie Gangsta

hey bro.. we have software like this you can use.... hit me up on ICQ 868140 ... you can put her on as many sites as you want/your connection can handle simultaneously

tony286

10 to 20 k never happen not nowadays also if she is used to stripping that's cash thats immediate. This is checks say goodbye to one third for taxes.

Kard63

If you get around to approving me we can alk about it ;)

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Meloman

Interesting... I kinda figured most girls don't make much caming.... but I'm also kinda looking at this just like the regular webmaster side. Most webmasters don't make squat either and are just tgp guys making beer money. But some of us have mastered this game and rose to the top.

Isn't the cam girl industry the same way? Most don't make squat but there are SOME that do make real money? And not trying to brag....but most don't have ME as there webmaster, lol.

It does sound like this is by no means easy and making real money is gonna take some work, experience and lots of hours.

So much to do, so little time, lol.

tony286

It's different then running a site a site is a 24 hr thing. Webcam is certain hrs a day and I am telling you a girl used to making big money stripping wont have the patience for the web. Also if you think she is the only hot girl out there you will find out different real quick lol.

Meloman

I hear what you're saying and it makes sense. It's exactly the reason I am looking at ifriends. They have fan sites you can build for each girl. So basically along with the archive you can also build out a full site for the girl.

So my original thinking is to get good equiptment, create a bunch of content for the fan site and THEN have the girl start caming. Therefore regardless if she's online or not her fan site and archive can be generating cash too. Not too mention they allow girls to create multiple accounts. So I figure I could play the "spam" game and just make 10 different ifriend sites per girl.

Does any of this sound like a decent plan or is it all totally off base?

I have NO idea about anything in the cam industry so all the advice you guys are sharing is great and I appreciate it :-)

Elli

Hey, I remember the prostitutes, too. What a rip that was. There has to be some huge liability locked up in that arrangement, but it seems everyone was turning a blind eye.

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Meloman

So what's the story with this? Prostitutes lure the guys off the cam site? But how profitable is that considering the web cam network is world wide and they would need local guys finding them?

Meloman

What's funny?

mhende6600

Buy domain names for each girl, start a small paysite and offer cam shows from YOUR paysite thru ifriends and other cam networks then get the members from ifriends to join YOUR pay site not the ifriends mysite they offer chathosts. Hope this helps.

Meloman

I read a lot of the TOS at ifriends and it says you can not mention any other website while in ifriends chat. So you're not suppose to use ifriends as a way to get members into your paysite.

But we all know rules are meant to be broken So is this rule not very well enforced on ifriends? Is it pretty common to push your own sites while in chat?

The only other problem I see with creating small paysites is that you then need to generate traffic to them, which I don't have time to do for others. But I see your point though...the paysite isn't meant to get your own traffic, but the ifriends traffic you're bringing over.....but that again comes down to if it's allwowed?

molly_muddblood

Meloman,

You're wasting your time playing the "spam" game with cams.

If your girl gets clocked by members, she will look like any other human with assumed aliases- like a con artist, an actress, or a psycho. Guys who spend that kind of money don't like the illusion ruined.

Also, there aren't enough hours in the day to create and maintain an army of clones that are all good enough and unique enough to get men to signup for their fan site. Plus, odds are if they like one site, they'll definitely see the others and get pissed off and jaded.

I'm gonna duck out to the gun club, so to retire my torch I will point out something you're overlooking-

Inside a cam network, men get charmed into bypassing MILLIONS of FREE hardcore sex photos and video at a free membership site that's updated 24/7, because SOMETHING SPECIFIC compels them to spend up to $599 in one session over and over on a living, breathing, interactive human being who obviously gives them more than impersonal cloned sex if a show runs past an hour. The more impersonal and carbon-copied your gig is, the closer you place yourself next to the free hors'd'ouvres (sp?) that keeps them warm while their water bill gets turned back on and they can jump back in to see their betty. People who spend that kind of money are either wealthy, addicted, or under a spell, and none of the three like the cheap shit. Chronic sells, and it does better in small quantities with unique names and qualities. "Bammer" will get you a blackballed reputation, because the mass-produced brick weed puts everyone to sleep. You will inevitably run out of members to "spam" and you'll wonder why cricketschirping.wav is playing in your cam girl's head. Either way, it's up to you, playa. You'll pay your dues one way or another, because you'll never know what you're getting into until you do some time in the trenches and not the ticket booth.

Have a happy weekend everyone and thank you for the stimulating discussion.

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Meloman

Thanks for all the tips and suggestions everyone. Especially Molly. You've given some great, great insite

I'm all ready comfortable where I'm at and have all ready been through the trenches and done my does...big time, lol. So I don't really have any asperation to work overly hard on this unless I see potential. That's the main reason I started this thread so that I can get a feel for this all and see if my ideas have any merit.

Molly you definitely opened my eyes to things I wasn't thinking about when it comes to "spaming" in ifriends :-)

BTW everyone....the main reason I chose Ifriends as the main webcam sponsor is because I send a nice, nice chunk of personal traffic to them that converts well. So basically since I see myself that they convert well I know they have boat loads of traffic inside there system. Plus I can help direct some of my traffic straight to the girls profile/fan site and see how that works out...possibly jump starting her sales AND me getting a cut from both sides

My game plan is still to try out Ifriends along with a few others.

My basic Ifriends game plan is:
1. Build a decent sized fan site with movies & pics
2. Have the girls log in a few hours a day/week and hopefully get some live shows in.
3. Make sure the girls know all the features they can upsell to the customers (real phone chat, fan site, voting, merchandise etc.)
4. Hopefully figure out what needs to be done to make each girl rank higher.

Hopefully the software I was given so that a cam can work in multiple rooms can be utilized as well. Working 2-5 cam networks at once may be a bonus as well.

I still think that having a professional webmaster behind you can help greatly. So I'm hoping that without to much effort I can start figuring out what makes one girl rank better than others and slowly work toward that goal.

I know there's no way to find out in this thread...but gosh I'd love to find out what a top, top ifreinds model makes

Thanks again everyone. I'll keep everyone posted occasionaly on how this pet project is coming along

Tempest

You should talk to someone like Mandy Blake (http://www.mandyblake.com/) she's been on iFriends for a long time and can propbly give you some really good advice. Haven't seen her post for several days though.

molly_muddblood

Trenches = Inside the cam network with the webcam on.

I didn't mean to sound like I was challenging your credentials as a webmaster, because I wasn't. I meant that the only way to be successful from that cam network is to get in there and log some hours of experience. If you notice, the main page at the cam network doesn't have huge "JOIN NOW! - FREE TOUR!" images or pictures of naked chicks and flashing lights everywhere, so not many of the strategies that makes selling those kind of sites will work there.

You definitely have all of the tools, abilities, and resources, but selling live videochat means selling the most expensive form of adult entertainment on the Internet, and the complexity, originality, knowledge of human psychology, and multi-talented arsenal it requires for LONG-TERM success means that experience will be a major factor in individual success.

The percentage of success in the life of a cam girl equates well to any other form of entertainment, there's an ocean of one-hit wonders, wannabes, "one-trick ponies", prostitutes that don't even make a dollar and just use it for income verification or customer hunting, girls who "fall off", and part-timers, and only a select percentage have the experience, ability, desire, talent, versatility, and discipline to have "staying power" as a full-time source of income. Big money means big competition anywhere, right?

I'm gonna re-install ICQ *ugh* and get a new number to hit you up. My old one was ironically abandoned from stalkers who like to do their hunting for victims at a... you guessed it... cam network lol.


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tony286

IF you break that rule and they catch they will ban you so quick your head wil spin lol.

Peaches

Tony404 is her husband and has been giving Melo some good advice too

Meloman

Wow, there's some REALLY good info in this thread.

Both Tony & Molly have me thinking hard now.

My gut is telling me that what Tony404 mentioned about patience, money up front when stripping etc.. is exactly why this probably won't work out. I can see the girls getting bored and moving on cause they make much more on there own. It's why I've never tried this in the past cause I always figured as much.

In this particular case I am close friends with one of the girls and want to help her out. I don't want to see her wasting her time for nothing, nor do I want to waste my time either...so this has been on going research for many months now. But I think we've now narrowed down what ideas to try.

But what they hey....as long as I don't have to go through too much trouble I'll give them some help getting started and see what happens.

Thanks again everyone

Meloman

Gotcha... I think we'll stay away from this idea then. I'm thinking long-term and want to play this all by the rules so everyone sleeps well at night

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ebonycoed1

I have been on ifriends for 10 months. The sit eha s numerous 500 errors, action canceled and at one time their site was done for a day. Theyy find it hard to communicate with the girls that work with them. They are very strict with everything. Signing up for the site takes at least a day, lots of paperwork and shit. Alot of words are banned such as baby, whore etc.. No stuffed toys are allowed on cam. Accounts get closed at the drop of a dime for no reason at all. They make up diffrent rules daily and never let their host know. You only know after a host has her acount closed and then she tells the others on the message board. The top ten girl makes about 2,500 a week. Sometimes their easy cam software does not work. The sound goes out and in so you never know when someone is in your room.

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