Meloman,

You're wasting your time playing the "spam" game with cams.

If your girl gets clocked by members, she will look like any other human with assumed aliases- like a con artist, an actress, or a psycho. Guys who spend that kind of money don't like the illusion ruined.

Also, there aren't enough hours in the day to create and maintain an army of clones that are all good enough and unique enough to get men to signup for their fan site. Plus, odds are if they like one site, they'll definitely see the others and get pissed off and jaded.

I'm gonna duck out to the gun club, so to retire my torch I will point out something you're overlooking-

Inside a cam network, men get charmed into bypassing MILLIONS of FREE hardcore sex photos and video at a free membership site that's updated 24/7, because SOMETHING SPECIFIC compels them to spend up to $599 in one session over and over on a living, breathing, interactive human being who obviously gives them more than impersonal cloned sex if a show runs past an hour. The more impersonal and carbon-copied your gig is, the closer you place yourself next to the free hors'd'ouvres (sp?) that keeps them warm while their water bill gets turned back on and they can jump back in to see their betty. People who spend that kind of money are either wealthy, addicted, or under a spell, and none of the three like the cheap shit. Chronic sells, and it does better in small quantities with unique names and qualities. "Bammer" will get you a blackballed reputation, because the mass-produced brick weed puts everyone to sleep. You will inevitably run out of members to "spam" and you'll wonder why cricketschirping.wav is playing in your cam girl's head. Either way, it's up to you, playa. You'll pay your dues one way or another, because you'll never know what you're getting into until you do some time in the trenches and not the ticket booth. :)

Have a happy weekend everyone and thank you for the stimulating discussion. :)

:ak47: (I forgot the cheat code to be a girl smiley lol)

Thanks for all the tips and suggestions everyone. Especially Molly. You've given some great, great insite :thumbsup

I'm all ready comfortable where I'm at and have all ready been through the trenches and done my does...big time, lol. So I don't really have any asperation to work overly hard on this unless I see potential. That's the main reason I started this thread so that I can get a feel for this all and see if my ideas have any merit.

Molly you definitely opened my eyes to things I wasn't thinking about when it comes to "spaming" in ifriends :-)

BTW everyone....the main reason I chose Ifriends as the main webcam sponsor is because I send a nice, nice chunk of personal traffic to them that converts well. So basically since I see myself that they convert well I know they have boat loads of traffic inside there system. Plus I can help direct some of my traffic straight to the girls profile/fan site and see how that works out...possibly jump starting her sales AND me getting a cut from both sides :Graucho

My game plan is still to try out Ifriends along with a few others.

My basic Ifriends game plan is:
1. Build a decent sized fan site with movies & pics
2. Have the girls log in a few hours a day/week and hopefully get some live shows in.
3. Make sure the girls know all the features they can upsell to the customers (real phone chat, fan site, voting, merchandise etc.)
4. Hopefully figure out what needs to be done to make each girl rank higher.

Hopefully the software I was given so that a cam can work in multiple rooms can be utilized as well. Working 2-5 cam networks at once may be a bonus as well.

I still think that having a professional webmaster behind you can help greatly. So I'm hoping that without to much effort I can start figuring out what makes one girl rank better than others and slowly work toward that goal.

I know there's no way to find out in this thread...but gosh I'd love to find out what a top, top ifreinds model makes :Graucho

Thanks again everyone. I'll keep everyone posted occasionaly on how this pet project is coming along :winkwink:

You should talk to someone like Mandy Blake (http://www.mandyblake.com/) she's been on iFriends for a long time and can propbly give you some really good advice. Haven't seen her post for several days though.

Trenches = Inside the cam network with the webcam on.

I didn't mean to sound like I was challenging your credentials as a webmaster, because I wasn't. I meant that the only way to be successful from that cam network is to get in there and log some hours of experience. If you notice, the main page at the cam network doesn't have huge "JOIN NOW! - FREE TOUR!" images or pictures of naked chicks and flashing lights everywhere, so not many of the strategies that makes selling those kind of sites will work there.

You definitely have all of the tools, abilities, and resources, but selling live videochat means selling the most expensive form of adult entertainment on the Internet, and the complexity, originality, knowledge of human psychology, and multi-talented arsenal it requires for LONG-TERM success means that experience will be a major factor in individual success.

The percentage of success in the life of a cam girl equates well to any other form of entertainment, there's an ocean of one-hit wonders, wannabes, "one-trick ponies", prostitutes that don't even make a dollar and just use it for income verification or customer hunting, girls who "fall off", and part-timers, and only a select percentage have the experience, ability, desire, talent, versatility, and discipline to have "staying power" as a full-time source of income. Big money means big competition anywhere, right?

I'm gonna re-install ICQ *ugh* and get a new number to hit you up. My old one was ironically abandoned from stalkers who like to do their hunting for victims at a... you guessed it... cam network lol.


Deep Thoughts, by Jaqueline Handy "Jpgs of stalkers make great targets, except they're probably pictures of someone else." :ak47:

IF you break that rule and they catch they will ban you so quick your head wil spin lol.

Tony404 is her husband and has been giving Melo some good advice too :)

Wow, there's some REALLY good info in this thread.

Both Tony & Molly have me thinking hard now.

My gut is telling me that what Tony404 mentioned about patience, money up front when stripping etc.. is exactly why this probably won't work out. I can see the girls getting bored and moving on cause they make much more on there own. It's why I've never tried this in the past cause I always figured as much.

In this particular case I am close friends with one of the girls and want to help her out. I don't want to see her wasting her time for nothing, nor do I want to waste my time either...so this has been on going research for many months now. But I think we've now narrowed down what ideas to try.

But what they hey....as long as I don't have to go through too much trouble I'll give them some help getting started and see what happens.

Thanks again everyone :thumbsup

Gotcha... I think we'll stay away from this idea then. I'm thinking long-term and want to play this all by the rules so everyone sleeps well at night :thumbsup

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I have been on ifriends for 10 months. The sit eha s numerous 500 errors, action canceled and at one time their site was done for a day. Theyy find it hard to communicate with the girls that work with them. They are very strict with everything. Signing up for the site takes at least a day, lots of paperwork and shit. Alot of words are banned such as baby, whore etc.. No stuffed toys are allowed on cam. Accounts get closed at the drop of a dime for no reason at all. They make up diffrent rules daily and never let their host know. You only know after a host has her acount closed and then she tells the others on the message board. The top ten girl makes about 2,500 a week. Sometimes their easy cam software does not work. The sound goes out and in so you never know when someone is in your room.

50 broke ass camgirls

Wow thanks for the insite! That's some really interesting info.

But damn, only $2500 a week for there top girl? I wonder if that also includes fan site and archive sales as well? Also how many hours a day to hit that...cause depending on the work involved this could be good or bad. For example if she's also has a real pay site, has done videos etc.. and has a name for herself and ony does a few shows a week to achive that....that's a good scenario. But if you're caming 8 hours a day constantly and $10K monthly is the best anyone can do and only a few people pull that off out of thousands, then that blows imho.

That number really bothers me though.... I mean I SEND more to click cash than that monthly!! All the money Click Cash pays out has to be made back somehow?? Is it all in the recuring charge they do from the initial signup I guess? They aren't really free like they play off, lol.

In all honesty... I was thinking if a random webmaster can easily send $10K a month to Click Cash then there has to be girls making that and more monthly.

Hmm, now I'm more confused the ever....

hmmmmm, you have to work hard for that..and if you are the middle man taking your cut on top of the 60% to 65% that ifriends and other companies take...I bet your girl will stick to stripping...if she is making 10 K a month..stick with it a little longer..unless she is a marketing genious. I have been on ifriends since they opened.. it used to be fantastic but is pretty saturated with hosts..marketing is a plus..but so is personality.

I run 2 to 3 rooms on different sites to stay busy these days

good luck..but being hot doesnt mean she is going to make money.

:1orglaugh :glugglug

I will say this again 10k stripping is cash, pretty hard to trace income so 10 k is really worth about 15k.Also she goes home with money every night, there is no the card didnt go thru, charge back or fraud. A guy gives her a fifty dollar bill its hers end of game. With webcams she has to wait to get paid and then that money is very very tracable and she loses about one third to taxes. Also to think I cash my checks dont claim then and they havent knocked on my door I am cool . Is living in fantasyland because when they will knock on the door will be years down the road at the worst time possible looking for the taxes on those checks you made 8 yrs ago. No stripper will have the patience or want to work that hard and take a paycut.

Don't know now,but before 3-4 years it was great job to do.

right on! I had to quit stripping because we moved and there are no good bars around here within 150 miles.. so I had to go fulltime webcamming.. ugh.. waiting for the checks is the worse, not having cash everynight is a major setback...

as an old saying goes..

"if its not broke, dont fix it"

....keep on stripping girl. make that money while you can..plenty of time to be stuck inside sitting in front of a cam.

Models with huge followings like Karmella36D (Hustler or Penthouse cover girl) make a huge amount of money at Ifriends. For just a regular girl, they might make $1000 a month. There's alot of competition on the site because there are alot of girls running 5 or 6 cams at once. Single girls don't make alot.

Gay guys, guy couples, or couples probably do pretty well still. There was a time when many average regular girls worked Ifriends full time but that was about 4 years ago.

Tell your friend to go with Steamray.com, not Ifriends.com.. Steamray gets lots of traffic from major paysites.

Its not for the faint at heart, you actually have to watch the customer's cam.. yuck/

please... i know regular girls that have no following, no magazines, flat chested, and plain..made the top ten several times.. which at the timew was well over $4000 in a week.

single girls on that site still make money.its just hard for a new girl to pop on and have a huge following right away.. there are alot more camsites out there now and people actually have a choice as to where they want to work.

Yeah, she's dead on right about that.. There are two girls at Ifriends that I know are hookers.. why? Because I've seen their ads on Exotics.com and Cityvibe.com

The girls who make bank built that up over time. And its not all from just cam shows. They sell personal items and videos.

I love Mandy Blake :) She is the awesomest!

You've already gotten a lot of advice I guess. So I'm just going to throw in some more strength to what's been said.

The cons about camming are many, the pros are few and far between. A Girl cannot just set up and make it, it takes a lot of work and perseverance to make it (and for those of you who think it isn't work, try it sometime yourself!).
The abuse is often horrendous, so you have to have tough skin for a fact. Actually, as a man, you should take some time just hanging out in a cam room and observe what goes on.

If she's used to making 10-20k a month stripping, this is not for her and I don't care what anyone thinks, there is just no way she's gonna pull that in on iFriends for quite awhile no matter how hot she is. Being used to instant gratification and all, camming is going to be difficult for her ... not saying I'm against it, or that she shouldn't try it; she should just know how it is first, plain and simple.

I wish you luck for sure :) And the girls, in whatever you decide.

And again, I love Mandy Blake
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