Breaking News: Report slams CIA for Iraq intelligence failures

[loverboy]

The key U.S. assertions leading to the 2003 invasion of Iraq -- that Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons and was working to make nuclear weapons -- were wrong and based on false or overstated CIA analyses, according to a Senate Intelligence Committee report released today. "This was a global intelligence failure," said Sen. Pat Roberts, a Kansas Republican who heads the committee.

http://www.cnn.com/

[Tom_PMs]

Yeah, just finished watching all of it. It's not like most of us didnt realise that already I think... but it's nice to have a unanimous vote on the conclusions from the bi-partisan senate intelligence committee.

In another story today, the pentagon has told the AP that microfilm containing Bush's payroll records from his questionable national guard days have been inadvertantly destroyed.

uh huh.

[80smetal]

Originally posted by Tom_PM


In another story today, the pentagon has told the AP that microfilm containing Bush's payroll records from his questionable national guard days have been inadvertantly destroyed.

uh huh.

Is that the same as all of Clinton scams in Arkansas? Just curious.

[Tom_PMs]

You mean the alleged scams that we the taxpayers paid millions to investigate at the urging of republican leaders that turned up nothing whatsoever?

No I dont think so, but I keep an open mind

[loverboy]

with the US coalition death toll reaching 1,000, its a pity that they are fighting a cause behind an intelligence failure.

[80smetal]

Originally posted by Tom_PM
You mean the alleged scams that we the taxpayers paid millions to investigate at the urging of republican leaders that turned up nothing whatsoever?

No I dont think so, but I keep an open mind

ya I know Bill is and was "clean" in Arkansas

[Tom_PMs]

loverboy, american soldier deaths in iraq went past 1000 today

[CE_BigB]

Ok.. so they finally announce what many of us have known for a year...


We done fucked up...


BIG B

[Tom_PMs]

Yep, and as senator rockefeller said today, the assertions based on the false information continue to this day.. pretty fucked up.
Hope they're all set to clean out their desks, lol.

[loverboy]

Originally posted by Tom_PM
loverboy, american soldier deaths in iraq went past 1000 today

yeah, and still counting... the longer their stay, the more fucked they will be.

[zanycash Pete]

Yup! Lotta shit hitting the fan these days!

[Snake Doctor]

You didn't REALLY think that George Tenet resigned right before this report came out so he could spend more time with his son during his senior year do you??


As for the Clinton shit, he was investigated pretty much from the day he took office until the day he left, and the ONLY thing he did that was innapropriate was lie about getting a blowjob from Monica.
Whitewater, the travel office fiasco, everything else he came out of squeaky fucking clean so

[Paul Markham]

You have to sit and wonder why these guys with all this money, expertise, equipment, experience and information got it so wrong and kept getting it wrong.

Hans Blix who was in the country with a team of trained researchers was coming up with nothing. Even the intelligence that was being given was not any good.

Then there was the total lack of any evidence that he STIIL had weapons he had when he was a friend of the US, using them against Iranians.

Then you look at who was really in charge of the whole thing and the way they was manipulating the media, the people of the world and the leaders of their inteligence forces. Bush and Blair.

Neither were interested in listening to anything that did not support their theories. In the UK parliment they read out a report stating Saddam had WMDs, it was written by a student using old material.

All the real evidence pointed the other way, but no one was listening. Who would have been brave enough to tell their leader he had it wrong? In the UK two senior cabinet ministers resigned becasue of Blairs single mindedness, did they KNOW the truth?

Then look at the evidence coming from Iraq, you have a guy wanting to make more money. So maybe he will seel some information, what is going to get a better price?

Saddam has WMDs in that fertilizer factory.

Saddam has no WMDs

Then you have the "evidence" needed to go to your boss. Who praises your and orders a couple of cruise missiles to hit a factory producing fertilizer to help farmers grow food and killing a few residents at the same time.

The evidence turns up NOTHING, the Iraqis let the medai come in and look around, they find nothing and you are hated a little bit more by a few more people. Biggest surprise is some Americans still think they are liberators.

Whole thing was a fuck up from the start and few had the guts to stand up to Bush.

[Paul Markham]

I forget ot mention the "evidence" that was coming from tribes who were saying the paople on the other side of the valley were hiding WMDs. Again the cruise missiles were sent even after it was pointed out the evidence was unreliable.

[arial]

Originally posted by charly
I forget ot mention the "evidence" that was coming from tribes who were saying the paople on the other side of the valley were hiding WMDs. Again the cruise missiles were sent even after it was pointed out the evidence was unreliable.

Funny how this hasn't been heavily reported. I don't think anyway I watched very little TV.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3872201.stm

[Tom_PMs]

Of course, we knew that was the appointed administrations standing, and I quote:

"If you're not with us, you're against us."

[Rochard]

Yet I find it ironic that 1.7 tons of nuclear material was removed from Iraq last week and shipped to the US. Did anyone else catch this story?

[Giorgio_Xo]

Bush Administration needs a scapegoat for their mistakes. The CIA is always an easy excuse.

[Rochard]

Here's the news article on Yahoo:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...uclear_un_dc_3

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Washington has spirited 1.8 tons of enriched uranium out of Iraq (news - web sites) for safekeeping, more than a year after looters stole it from a U.N.-sealed facility left unguarded by U.S. troops, U.S. and U.N. officials said on Wednesday.


The slightly enriched uranium, which could be used in a dirty bomb, was airlifted to an undisclosed U.S. site after its removal from the Tuwaitha nuclear complex south of Baghdad, a one-time center of Iraq's nuclear weapons development program.


U.S. Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham (news - web sites) called the shipment to a secure Department of Energy (news - web sites) facility "a major achievement for the Bush administration's goal to keep potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists."


"It also puts this material out of reach for countries that may seek to develop their own nuclear weapons," Abraham said in a printed statement making no reference to

[directfiesta]

" intelligence failure " ?????

To have that problem, you first need to have " intelligence"....

We all know that Bush has none, and now that the CIA/FBI not more...

And what about Dick Cheney.... Wasn't he going daily to the CIA to be vriefed ( or to tell them what to find )... ??? He still claims up to today that Iraq has Al-Qaida links....


America should lower their head and be ashamed ...

[EviLGuY]

This is the favorite political ploy of passing the buck..

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by RocHard
Yet I find it ironic that 1.7 tons of nuclear material was removed from Iraq last week and shipped to the US. Did anyone else catch this story?

Yes, it was under UN control. The UN is saying that the US stole it... which they did.

[Roger]

It's quite pathetic actually. They got absolutely nothing. Everything they said turned out to be a lie.

[theking]

From this thread

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=323832

Originally posted by theking
has been made public. The bottom line appears to be...

#1 The intel agencies assumed Iraq possessed WMD's/WMD materials and never questioned this assumption.

#2 Thus every piece of intel that provided any hint of confirmation of the original unquestioned assumption was used as evidence to prove the unquestioned assumption.

#3 Thus the final conclusion of the intel was flawed/wrong.

A major break down of our intel agenices as well as certain foreign intel agencies.

The second phase of the Senate Intel Committee which will investigate the Administration's use of the intel that was provided to them as well as suggested reforms in the intel agencies...will apparently not be completed prior to the election.

[theking]

Originally posted by Roger
It's quite pathetic actually. They got absolutely nothing. Everything they said turned out to be a lie.

"Lie" is not the correct word to use. "Wrong" is the correct word...and FYI the British...French and German intel agencies were also wrong as they all concurred with US intel.

[Tom_PMs]

See these are the types of things that it doesnt take a genius to figure out.

Which is why it's SO odd to hear politcal talking heads and supposed "campaign/election experts" saying that this upcoming election is "razor thin" and "too close to call"..

Just unbelievable...

[theking]

Originally posted by directfiesta
Yes, it was under UN control. The UN is saying that the US stole it... which they did.

Are you saying the "looters" mentioned in the article were US looters?

[loverboy]

Originally posted by Roger
It's quite pathetic actually. They got absolutely nothing. Everything they said turned out to be a lie.

true and this makes the CIA in a hot spot.. the Agency just lost its integrity and respect

[Roger]

Originally posted by theking
"Lie" is not the correct word to use. "Wrong" is the correct word...and FYI the British...French and German intel agencies were also wrong as they all concurred with US intel.

No they didn't. France made it's decision not to go to war based on the latest intel gathered.
And as we already see, it looks like the US intelligence knew the truth but that's not what they wanted to hear.

Article

Washington, DC, Jul. 6 (UPI) -- Relatives of Iraqi scientists interviewed by the CIA before the war told the agency unconventional weapons had been abandoned, but the information was ignored.

[theking]

Originally posted by loverboy
true and this makes the CIA in a hot spot.. the Agency just lost its integrity and respect

It is not the first time that the CIA has got it wrong...and I suspect it will not be the last time...but it is time for additional reforms to be made...as has been done in the past.

[Tom_PMs]

All the French and Germans wanted was the same thing that most of the non-insiders in washington wanted: For the inspections to continue longer before taking another step that might be regrettable.

Then idiots dumped out french wine, and the dixie chicks cd's got smashed and burned.

Idiots.

[Roger]

Originally posted by Tom_PM
All the French and Germans wanted was the same thing that most of the non-insiders in washington wanted: For the inspections to continue longer before taking another step that might be regrettable.

Then idiots dumped out french wine, and the dixie chicks cd's got smashed and burned.

Idiots.

And on top of that Iran, who played a vital role in providing the US false info to invade Iraq is now developing nuclear technology and is certainly not stupid enough to bow to diplomatic pressure.

[theking]

Originally posted by Roger
No they didn't. France made it's decision not to go to war based on the latest intel gathered.
And as we already see, it looks like the US intelligence knew the truth but that's not what Bush wanted to hear.

Your are wrong...French intel concurred with US intel...they simply took the position that it should be up to UN inspectors to ferret out the WMD's/WMD materials. As for your last statement...it was the President that questioned the intel provided to him and felt that it was somewhat weak...but apparently George Tenate told him not to worry..."It is a slam dunk". Every member of the House Intel Committee and Senate Intel Committee was provided with the same intel that the President was provided and every single member of both Committees believed the intel that was provided to them...so your statement "what Bush wanted to hear" is not correct either.

[genomega]

Originally posted by Tom_PM
Yep, and as senator rockefeller said today, the assertions based on the false information continue to this day.. pretty fucked up.
Hope they're all set to clean out their desks, lol.

Bill Clinton repeated it also 2 days ago. I think i'll wait for the rest of the story and not listen to the windbags.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by arial
Funny how this hasn't been heavily reported. I don't think anyway I watched very little TV.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3872201.stm

It was reported on BBC.

It happened before the invasion and it was one village in the north informing on another village, that they had WMDs. It was pointed out the infomants were enemies of the victims, but that was brushed aside.

Also I said that one of the reasons Saddam did not want the world to know the truth, he was basically defenceless. Was becasue the Iranians who he had been killing millions, were sitting on his borders and might invade. He was pulling a bluff.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by theking
Are you saying the "looters" mentioned in the article were US looters?

Read ...

US transferred 2 tons of uranium without UN approval

American authorities did not seek IAEA authorisation to remove radioactive materials from Iraq

US nuclear authorities and UN nuclear officials appeared to disagree on whether Washington had the authority to move uranium and highly radioactive material that could be used in so-called ?dirty bombs? from Iraq to the United States.

The nearly 2 tons of low-enriched uranium and approximately 1,000 highly radioactive items transferred from Iraq last month had been placed under seal by the International Atomic Energy Agency at the sprawling Tuwaitha nuclear complex, 12 miles (19 kilometers) south of Baghdad, UN officials said Wednesday. ?The American authorities just informed us of their intention to remove the materials, but they never sought authorization from us,? said Gustavo Zlauvinen, head of the IAEA?s New York office.

Under UN resolutions adopted after the 1991 Gulf War, the IAEA was authorised to oversee the destruction of Iraq?s nuclear programme and monitor its activities to ensure that the programme was not revived. But Paul Longsworth, deputy administrator for defence nuclear nonproliferation in the US National Nuclear Security Administration, said Wednesday night the United States didn?t need IAEA approval for the transfer.

?We believe we have the legal authority to do it,? he said. ?We are in custody of the material only, and we have the permission of the Iraqi government to take this out of the country.? US Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham disclosed the secret airlift from Iraq on Tuesday as ?a major achievement? in an attempt to ?keep potentially dangerous nuclear material out of the hands of terrorists.? The airlift ended on June 23, five days before the United States transferred sovereignty to Iraq?s new interim government. IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei said in a letter to the Security Council circulated Wednesday that Washington informed the agency on June 19, 2003, that ?due to security concerns? it intended to transfer some nuclear material stored at Tuwaitha to the United States.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...9-7-2004_pg4_8

Basically, the US considers Iraq as their backyard ...

[genomega]

Originally posted by RocHard
Yet I find it ironic that 1.7 tons of nuclear material was removed from Iraq last week and shipped to the US. Did anyone else catch this story?

I saw it one time on fox.

[theking]

Originally posted by directfiesta
Read ...



Basically, the US considers Iraq as their backyard ...

It currently is.

[Tom_PMs]

genomega, I think everyone believed Iraq had hidden weapons. The problem is that *THIS* administration, when faced with massive pressure to find PROOF, didnt bother to question the assumptions. Didnt bother to allow inspectors to work longer, didnt bother to get support from our main allies, and went against everyones advice but their own. They leapt before the looked. Incompetence I tell you, massive incompetence.

I dont buy party line crap either.

If Bush was a democrat my views would be identical to what they are now. Absolutely identical.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by theking
It is not the first time that the CIA has got it wrong...and I suspect it will not be the last time...but it is time for additional reforms to be made...as has been done in the past.

I wonder if you would be so Blase if you had lost your mother to a "mistake" like this.

You did not but thousands have lost a parent becasue they got it wrong.

They would of got better intel if they had read this board and as much as you pontificate that's the truth.

Look at your family and try to imagine what you would feel, how you would react and how you would get even. If someone had killed them on this flimsy, WRONG evidence.

[genomega]

Originally posted by Roger
No they didn't. France made it's decision not to go to war based on the latest intel gathered.
And as we already see, it looks like the US intelligence knew the truth but that's not what they wanted to hear.

Article

Wrong, France was in bed with them for the billions they were skimming off the food for oil program.

[loco12]

Originally posted by loverboy
with the US coalition death toll reaching 1,000, its a pity that they are fighting a cause behind an intelligence failure.

And just how many poor, completely innocent Iraqi's have been murdered by the coalition forces in this false war?

Tens of thousands of Children, women and innocent men have been blown to kingdom come by allied forces bombs and machine guns.

George Bush is a murderer. Fact. He alone is responsible for the war, as the BBC said today, it was a war of choice, not neccessity.

Bush alone should be taken off to The Hague to face war crimes against the Iraqi people. The man is no better than Hitler and Slobodan Milosevic. Attacking a country that was no threat at all to its citizens.

Yes, Sadam was an evil tyrant, but so are the leaders of North Korea and Zimbabwe. Are we going to war with them?

Americans must learn to vote at the next opportunity. Get that Bush out and replace him with a man strong enough to lead the USA back into the realms of reality.

Bush has done more damage to the reputation of the USA than every other US president combined.
I used to love going to the USA on holiday. Not any more. I can't go to a place that attacks other countries for no reason whatsoever.

And yes, I am totally ashamed of my government as well, (not that I would ever vote for them) for supporting such a war.


Rant over.

[Roger]

Originally posted by theking
Your are wrong...French intel concurred with US intel...they simply took the position that it should be up to UN inspectors to ferret out the WMD's/WMD materials. As for your last statement...it was the President that questioned the intel provided to him and felt that it was somewhat weak...but apparently George Tenate told him not to worry..."It is a slam dunk". Every member of the House Intel Committee and Senate Intel Committee was provided with the same intel that the President was provided and every single member of both Committees believed the intel that was provided to them...so your statement "what Bush wanted to hear" is not correct either.

No it didn't. I watched a documentary long ago that said just that. Maybe previous French intel taken years ago concurred with the US one but certainly not the recent one.

It was the president who wanted to invade Iraq from the get go. They wanted what they wanted and the CIA provided them with the intel to help them invade Iraq even though the CIA already knew the truth.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by genomega
Wrong, France was in bed with them for the billions they were skimming off the food for oil program.

Real parrot: repeat things that again are false... Provide a link to your accusation....

The only reason France was business related in Iraq is because it is in the middle-wast, a region were France was present for Centuries : Marocco, Algeria, Liban, Lybia, etc.... just like the US are present in Central America...

You know, before the US, the world was turning...

You should read or STFU.

[genomega]

Originally posted by Tom_PM
genomega, I think everyone believed Iraq had hidden weapons. The problem is that *THIS* administration, when faced with massive pressure to find PROOF, didnt bother to question the assumptions. Didnt bother to allow inspectors to work longer, didnt bother to get support from our main allies, and went against everyones advice but their own. They leapt before the looked. Incompetence I tell you, massive incompetence.

I dont buy party line crap either.

If Bush was a democrat my views would be identical to what they are now. Absolutely identical.

What do you suppose was in all those convoys running from Iraq to Syria for three weeks before the war started?

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by Roger
No it didn't. I watched a documentary long ago that said just that. Maybe previous French intel taken years ago concurred with the US one but certainly not the recent one.

It was the president who wanted to invade Iraq from the get go. They wanted what they wanted and the CIA provided them with the intel to help them invade Iraq even though the CIA already knew the truth.

[Roger]

Originally posted by genomega
Wrong, France was in bed with them for the billions they were skimming off the food for oil program.

You're absolutely right

Even if it was true, it's peanuts compared to what they could make by participating in the coalition and having a new market of millions of Iraqis open up.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by genomega
What do you suppose was in all those convoys running from Iraq to Syria for three weeks before the war started?

More bla bla bla and hear say.

How about a link ???

[theking]

Originally posted by charly
I wonder if you would be so Blase if you had lost your mother to a "mistake" like this.

You did not but thousands have lost a parent becasue they got it wrong.

They would of got better intel if they had read this board and as much as you pontificate that's the truth.

Look at your family and try to imagine what you would feel, how you would react and how you would get even. If someone had killed them on this flimsy, WRONG evidence.

"Blase" is your word and it is inappropriately used when applied to me. I am...and have been enraged...when intel gets it wrong in a major way...and even in a minor way...as I have been on the receiving end of bad intel. PF almost lost his military career because of bad intel in Vietnam. I have said from the beginning that a "lying" President is of little import compared to an intel failure.

In my case though I never viewed WMD's as being the most important reason to take down Saddam and the Baath party as I advocated it within the first year of the "cease fire" Iraq agreed to.

[genomega]

Originally posted by directfiesta
Real parrot: repeat things that again are false... Provide a link to your accusation....

The only reason France was business related in Iraq is because it is in the middle-wast, a region were France was present for Centuries : Marocco, Algeria, Liban, Lybia, etc.... just like the US are present in Central America...

You know, before the US, the world was turning...

You should read or STFU.

Those nasty facts get in the way again? Just do a search on the un and oil for food and fraud and by the way France ignored all of the un sanctions on iraq.