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Ann-Angelcom · 07-08-2004, 12:51 AM

Hey JaceXXX....funny thing. I haven't been around this board for quite some time. I come back and see this thread and I had to respond. You are 100%%%%% correct. I've been saying this from before I ever started a website. When I was like 18 looking for porn. LOL It was so easily accessible through free sites that I never felt the need to buy shit. Sure we all do well anyway....but I wonder how much better we would be doing if this wasn't true? Interesting thing to think about. It's a shame this probably would never happen the same way gas prices would go down if everyone boycotted mobil and exxon. It's hard to get everyone to agree and do the same thing.....although yes in the long run probably everyone would make more cash because sales would become more frequent.

the Shemp · 07-08-2004, 01:00 AM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
shemp, you seem to be VERY against anyone taking away the free hardcore...I would love a very detailed explanation of why this is

paysites owners have already come here and said their conversion went up when they didn't give away the hardcore...

im pro free market, you know capiltalism at its best.. freedom to do what works best for you.

i said above a couple of times that i hope all of you go completely softcore... i will continue to use the model that works best for me.
remember i accept galleries that are sent to me by my partners, they seem to know what works for them, i dont tell them what kind of content to use..

lets go to some details.....
what is softcore? breasts? nipples? erect nipples? spread beaver?
toys? flacid penis? spead ass?

what about fetishes? real whips? chains? real leather? nipple clips? piercing?

so what is your definition of softcore? and what happens to the poor webmaster that goes over your imposed lines?
who do you empower to be the judge? and what will be the punishment...?

i know I am old, but i do seem to remember that people masturbated before there was the interent, shocking I know..

if your point about softcore vs hardcore conversions is true, then why would any webmaster submit hardcore galleries? The good news is, that you can do whatever you want, submit all soft galleries forever...who is stopping you from doing that? i know im not...

pxxx · 07-08-2004, 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by Mack
yep I agree 100%. We give the surfer enough to get off and get out. and some people don't realize that a man who just busted a nut isn't going for the visa he's reaching for a tissue.

the Shemp · 07-08-2004, 01:28 AM

OH NO!

i just looked at my TGP Control page.
I got 4126 galleries sent to me JULY 7th
approx 77% would be hardcore...
and you know AMAZINGLY i have never asked a webmaster for a hardcore gallery...they just show up...

now, i have to pick 300 or so galleries for thursdays page..
OH MY, im using other people's content to make money, the shame of it.....maybe i'll add a few extra softcore galleries tonite... make some webmaster really happy tomorrow...

wtfent · 07-08-2004, 02:43 AM

If anyone can take this to the right person and enough people agree with it which Im sure tons of parents would go for this idea. Make free porn illegal on the internet. You can show some tits but thats it, no hardcore or else your slaped with a fat fine. That way we will all get massive signups. Soon Visa and Mastercard will not do any business with sites that show anything more than tits so thats a start. There is way to much free porn on the net. Think about it probably 70% of the people on the net only look at free porn. Lets stop that.

NickB. · 07-08-2004, 03:22 AM

LOL, you can try, but it will never work out Jace!

TGP's list massive amount of hardcore galleries, and you know what? Both advertisers and surfers love it!

Take a look at WORLDSEX

Porn Mickey · 07-08-2004, 03:49 AM

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Originally posted by pine
Let's say 90% of webmasters agree with you, and they all stop making galleries with explicit hardcore. The other 10% will make a killing, and become the next Hun. Good idea, but unfortunately impractical in today's game.

true

Corleone · 07-08-2004, 03:52 AM

10 pics per gallery are enough...

Trax · 07-08-2004, 03:52 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Nope. I is stupid.

but seriously
since not everyone will follow the rules, the ones that still deliver hardcore content will be making BIG BANK

and you can be sure that I will be one of those!

hova · 07-08-2004, 03:58 AM

Its sad that this will never happen

polish_aristocrat · 07-08-2004, 04:37 AM

How about this.

Sponsors stop giving ANY content for free and ANY free hosted galleries....instead of throwing money on them, they work on their paysites to ensure maximum retention and then they pay a few more per sale that anyone else....

Many people would definitely promote them....since not every one uses TGp's to get traffic so not everyone gives a fuck about FHG's or content at all.

Corleone · 07-08-2004, 04:39 AM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
How about this.

Sponsors stop giving ANY content for free and ANY free hosted galleries....instead of throwing money on them, they work on their paysites to ensure maximum retention and then they pay a few more per sale that anyone else....

Many people would definitely promote them....since not every one uses TGp's to get traffic so not everyone gives a fuck about FHG's or content at all.

cancelling FHGs? the sponsor that'd do that would loose 50% of his affiliates in a second

polish_aristocrat · 07-08-2004, 04:45 AM

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Originally posted by Corleone
cancelling FHGs? the sponsor that'd do that would loose 50% of his affiliates in a second

i doubt that 50% of affiliates own TGP's

Corleone · 07-08-2004, 04:47 AM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
i doubt that 50% of affiliates own TGP's

http://ranks.sextracker.com/spn.html...erse&cls=ranks

polish_aristocrat · 07-08-2004, 05:01 AM

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Originally posted by Corleone
http://ranks.sextracker.com/spn.html...erse&cls=ranks

soo?

FHG's are for TGP owners and not for submitters

and again, i very much doubt that TGP owners make up 50% affiliates of any sponsor program.

Fabuleux · 07-08-2004, 05:06 AM

Even non-nude galleries can convert great

SomeCreep · 07-08-2004, 05:20 AM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
does anyone else feel that we should limit what is out there for free to softcore and other non-hardcore shots?

tony404 and I were chatting about this and hopefully he will chime in too, but we both feel like there is WAY too much shit out there for free....certain people actually mentioned when they redid their tours to not include hardcore, the signups increased

i just want some feelings and opinions on this matter

I have actually stopped giving away all hardcore content for our affiliates and our galleries will no longer show hardcore

This is an old argument. Right back there with "Say no to TGP sites, yes to TGP2 sites". Evolution can not be stopped. Just let nature take its course and try to keep up.

Corleone · 07-08-2004, 05:27 AM

hmm galleries aren't the biggest prob..

some mpgs are crazy.. they require 3*1,5mb ! clips with 15-20 sec each.. so the free loader gets a whole minute pure hardcore fucking in best quality...

+ they post series.. so if the free loader uses his brain he'll check gallery 01,02,03 and get thew whole 25 min movie .. FOR FREE!

3*10 sec should be the max i think

Ann-Angelcom · 07-08-2004, 08:45 AM

I love this place

tony286 · 07-08-2004, 08:52 AM

When we went soft on our tour sales doubled but fear not. W gets another 4 yrs and the first adult webmaster dragged out in handcuffs crying, tours will clean up with a speed like you have never seen before . lol

Magnus · 07-08-2004, 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
no shit, if I was a surfer of porn, i would NEVER buy a fucking membership....there is WAY too much out there for free to waste my money even paying for something

Yep but they still do!!

SHEMP!!!!

man thanks for the laugh brother, hope you are keeping well.

PrivateIvy · 07-08-2004, 09:00 AM

My tour only hints at what's inside my site and the ONLY place to find my hardcore g/g and boy/girl is inside the members area...I don't use any of those for galleries, previews or any free areas

I still believe that it's best to really make them want more than what they get for free and pull out thier cc

Ivy

tony286 · 07-08-2004, 09:04 AM

Shemp if hardcore sells so great why do most TGP's sell their top stops and not run affiliate galleries on those spots . If its so hot?

benc · 07-08-2004, 09:07 AM

The big tgps are basically like walmart. The submitters are vendors who need to keep giving the consumer better and better deals, or walmart will find other vendors that will.

So who wins in that scenerio? Walmart, and the consumer.

MichaelP · 07-08-2004, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaceXXX
does anyone else feel that we should limit what is out there for free to softcore and other non-hardcore shots?

tony404 and I were chatting about this and hopefully he will chime in too, but we both feel like there is WAY too much shit out there for free....certain people actually mentioned when they redid their tours to not include hardcore, the signups increased

i just want some feelings and opinions on this matter

I have actually stopped giving away all hardcore content for our affiliates and our galleries will no longer show hardcore

I am telling this for years and I get booed all the times.

Actually Horny John can go to any reality site's tour and jack off to previews and go away...

The tour are supposed to drive them to join, then they can do whatever they want, but not without joining

tony286 · 07-08-2004, 09:16 AM

It also goes back to the problem in our industry Adult webmasters only think about today dollars not tomorrow. We could of regulated ourselves but most are too greedy or immature to do that and now the government will do for us. Congrats.

Basic_man · 07-08-2004, 09:34 AM

Yeah for sure there is too much free porn in this industry!

Major (Tom) · 07-08-2004, 10:05 AM

The problem is, is that tgp/mgp's are not so worried with their own conversions, they are worried about building traffic and selling spots. You build traffic by giving away free stuff. So tgp/mgp's demand you give away alot in hopes their trafiic increaes. They do not, however, care if your bottom line increases. They can always sell spots to the next guy thinking he will get rich. If there is going to be any kind of reform it will be the tgp mgp guys doing it, not sponsors. But unfortunatley, tgp/mgp's arent worried about their own conversions anymore. The game has changed and its all about selling spots. This is only going to increase free porn, because its all about increasing their traffic.
Duke

Veterans Day · 07-08-2004, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by tony404
It also goes back to the problem in our industry Adult webmasters only think about today dollars not tomorrow. We could of regulated ourselves but most are too greedy or immature to do that and now the government will do for us. Congrats.

mardigras · 07-08-2004, 10:40 AM

I don't think sponsors should stop offering hardcore content but I think webmasters should definitely use hardcore content sparingly in free areas and definitely not build complete free sites around it. A "members area" can contain larger amounts of it to upsell sponsors to surfers who have already been filtered as having a credit card.

I just hope that if there is a 2nd Bush term and they roll out the long rumored war on the internet that they put out the policies before they drag out the handcuffs, citing existing laws.

07-08-2004, 12:51 AM	#51
Ann-Angelcom Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new york Posts: 500	Hey JaceXXX....funny thing. I haven't been around this board for quite some time. I come back and see this thread and I had to respond. You are 100%%%%% correct. I've been saying this from before I ever started a website. When I was like 18 looking for porn. LOL It was so easily accessible through free sites that I never felt the need to buy shit. Sure we all do well anyway....but I wonder how much better we would be doing if this wasn't true? Interesting thing to think about. It's a shame this probably would never happen the same way gas prices would go down if everyone boycotted mobil and exxon. It's hard to get everyone to agree and do the same thing.....although yes in the long run probably everyone would make more cash because sales would become more frequent. __________________ Digitalangeldollars.com 10% on all referrals!! NOW PAYING 75% OF ALL SALES!!! Last edited by Ann-Angelcom; 07-08-2004 at 12:55 AM..

07-08-2004, 01:28 AM	#54
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	OH NO! i just looked at my TGP Control page. I got 4126 galleries sent to me JULY 7th approx 77% would be hardcore... and you know AMAZINGLY i have never asked a webmaster for a hardcore gallery...they just show up... now, i have to pick 300 or so galleries for thursdays page.. OH MY, im using other people's content to make money, the shame of it.....maybe i'll add a few extra softcore galleries tonite... make some webmaster really happy tomorrow... __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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07-08-2004, 04:37 AM	#61
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	How about this. Sponsors stop giving ANY content for free and ANY free hosted galleries....instead of throwing money on them, they work on their paysites to ensure maximum retention and then they pay a few more per sale that anyone else.... Many people would definitely promote them....since not every one uses TGp's to get traffic so not everyone gives a fuck about FHG's or content at all. __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

07-08-2004, 03:22 AM	#56
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	LOL, you can try, but it will never work out Jace! TGP's list massive amount of hardcore galleries, and you know what? Both advertisers and surfers love it! Take a look at WORLDSEX

07-08-2004, 03:52 AM	#58
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	10 pics per gallery are enough...

07-08-2004, 05:06 AM	#66
Fabuleux Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,543	Even non-nude galleries can convert great __________________

07-08-2004, 05:27 AM	#68
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	hmm galleries aren't the biggest prob.. some mpgs are crazy.. they require 31,5mb ! clips with 15-20 sec each.. so the free loader gets a whole minute pure hardcore fucking in best quality... + they post series.. so if the free loader uses his brain he'll check gallery 01,02,03 and get thew whole 25 min movie .. FOR FREE! 310 sec should be the max i think Last edited by Corleone; 07-08-2004 at 05:29 AM..

07-08-2004, 08:45 AM	#69
Ann-Angelcom Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new york Posts: 500	I love this place __________________ Digitalangeldollars.com 10% on all referrals!! NOW PAYING 75% OF ALL SALES!!!

07-08-2004, 08:52 AM	#70
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	When we went soft on our tour sales doubled but fear not. W gets another 4 yrs and the first adult webmaster dragged out in handcuffs crying, tours will clean up with a speed like you have never seen before . lol

07-08-2004, 09:00 AM	#72
PrivateIvy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,257	My tour only hints at what's inside my site and the ONLY place to find my hardcore g/g and boy/girl is inside the members area...I don't use any of those for galleries, previews or any free areas I still believe that it's best to really make them want more than what they get for free and pull out thier cc Ivy

07-08-2004, 09:04 AM	#73
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Shemp if hardcore sells so great why do most TGP's sell their top stops and not run affiliate galleries on those spots . If its so hot?

07-08-2004, 09:07 AM	#74
benc Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 788	The big tgps are basically like walmart. The submitters are vendors who need to keep giving the consumer better and better deals, or walmart will find other vendors that will. So who wins in that scenerio? Walmart, and the consumer. __________________ Numerous Adult and Non Adult Domains For Sale Such as SlutVideos.com, FitWomen.com Listed on Sedo or can do direct sale

07-08-2004, 09:16 AM	#76
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	It also goes back to the problem in our industry Adult webmasters only think about today dollars not tomorrow. We could of regulated ourselves but most are too greedy or immature to do that and now the government will do for us. Congrats.

07-08-2004, 09:34 AM	#77
Basic_man Programming King Pin Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 27,360	Yeah for sure there is too much free porn in this industry! __________________ UUGallery Builder - automated photo/video gallery plugin for Wordpress! Stop looking! Checkout Naked Hosting, online since 1999 !

07-08-2004, 10:05 AM	#78
Major (Tom) Boomer Woffen Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 30,548	The problem is, is that tgp/mgp's are not so worried with their own conversions, they are worried about building traffic and selling spots. You build traffic by giving away free stuff. So tgp/mgp's demand you give away alot in hopes their trafiic increaes. They do not, however, care if your bottom line increases. They can always sell spots to the next guy thinking he will get rich. If there is going to be any kind of reform it will be the tgp mgp guys doing it, not sponsors. But unfortunatley, tgp/mgp's arent worried about their own conversions anymore. The game has changed and its all about selling spots. This is only going to increase free porn, because its all about increasing their traffic. Duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom

07-08-2004, 10:40 AM	#80
mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	I don't think sponsors should stop offering hardcore content but I think webmasters should definitely use hardcore content sparingly in free areas and definitely not build complete free sites around it. A "members area" can contain larger amounts of it to upsell sponsors to surfers who have already been filtered as having a credit card. I just hope that if there is a 2nd Bush term and they roll out the long rumored war on the internet that they put out the policies before they drag out the handcuffs, citing existing laws. __________________ .