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Jace · 07-07-2004, 09:53 PM

does anyone else feel that we should limit what is out there for free to softcore and other non-hardcore shots?

tony404 and I were chatting about this and hopefully he will chime in too, but we both feel like there is WAY too much shit out there for free....certain people actually mentioned when they redid their tours to not include hardcore, the signups increased

i just want some feelings and opinions on this matter

I have actually stopped giving away all hardcore content for our affiliates and our galleries will no longer show hardcore

Spunky · 07-07-2004, 09:54 PM

It's too late...were doomed

Jace · 07-07-2004, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1
It's too late...were doomed

haha, nice response

sadly, i partially agree

Sly_RJ · 07-07-2004, 09:55 PM

And how exactly do you propose this happen?

Mack · 07-07-2004, 09:56 PM

yep I agree 100%. We give the surfer enough to get off and get out. and some people don't realize that a man who just busted a nut isn't going for the visa he's reaching for a tissue.

psyko514 · 07-07-2004, 09:56 PM

ok, i stopped. i took down my sites. what now?

Jace · 07-07-2004, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
And how exactly do you propose this happen?

well, for one.....sponsors can stop giving it away to promote their sites with....just give away everything but the hardcore....just give away the teaser shots

Sly_RJ · 07-07-2004, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
well, for one.....sponsors can stop giving it away to promote their sites with....just give away everything but the hardcore....just give away the teaser shots

How do you suggest I do that with Angels of Porn and Stroke Jobs?

pine · 07-07-2004, 09:58 PM

Let's say 90% of webmasters agree with you, and they all stop making galleries with explicit hardcore. The other 10% will make a killing, and become the next Hun. Good idea, but unfortunately impractical in today's game.

Jace · 07-07-2004, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by Mack
yep I agree 100%. We give the surfer enough to get off and get out. and some people don't realize that a man who just busted a nut isn't going for the visa he's reaching for a tissue.

no shit, if I was a surfer of porn, i would NEVER buy a fucking membership....there is WAY too much out there for free to waste my money even paying for something

i know it is impossible to even consider everyone stop giving the "good stuff" away for free....but if everyone that owned a paysite or sponsor program on this board did it, that would make one hell of an impact

Spunky · 07-07-2004, 09:59 PM

It is pretty rare to find movies that aren't hardcore,and you have to have updates

emthree · 07-07-2004, 10:00 PM

Whoever participates in your boycott will be spoon feeding signups to the sites that do offer hardcore content

Sly_RJ · 07-07-2004, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
but if everyone that owned a paysite or sponsor program on this board did it, that would make one hell of an impact

You're right, it would have a HUGE impact. Those sponsors wouldn't get shit for traffic anymore.

Jace · 07-07-2004, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
How do you suggest I do that with Angels of Porn and Stroke Jobs?

creativity ain't one of your strong points huh?

Sly_RJ · 07-07-2004, 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
creativity ain't one of your strong points huh?

Nope. I is stupid.

Jace · 07-07-2004, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
You're right, it would have a HUGE impact. Those sponsors wouldn't get shit for traffic anymore.

actually, i have chatted with people that have changed the hardcore to softcore on the galleries and their tour is all softcore or implied hardcore...and their sales have gone up in the long term with the same traffic

it is all right to be scared of something new, but when your unknowledgable about the outcome of something you have not tried you end up looking unintelligent

the Shemp · 07-07-2004, 10:06 PM

the more soft core sites, the better...

NickPapageorgio · 07-07-2004, 10:09 PM

The only way it would work is if everyone had the same mindset. I agree totally with what you are saying though. But you have some people who will disagree and won't do it. A surfer left with a hard dick is more apt to pull out a credit card than one that just busted his nut. It would be a great thing for signups if that was to happen industry wide but it won't. The biggest rule of thumb with sales is always leave the customer with their tongue hanging out dying to get their hands on your product. That is with ANYTHING you are selling. If they have already busted their nut then the magic is over.

Sly_RJ · 07-07-2004, 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
actually, i have chatted with people that have changed the hardcore to softcore on the galleries and their tour is all softcore or implied hardcore...and their sales have gone up in the long term with the same traffic

it is all right to be scared of something new, but when your unknowledgable about the outcome of something you have not tried you end up looking unintelligent

That's lovely. Are you going to be able to convince all of your affiliates and new affiliates the same thing? First thing they'll say "you don't have any hardcore content, what the fuck?" Now I don't know about your sites, but all of ours are hardcore. The paysites are hardcore. The content is hardcore. We don't have softcore content.

So what are you suggesting? I censor all of the images? That may work great on the tours, I might even test it out. But the galleries? That isn't going to fly. TGP owners aren't going to list hosted galleries or submitted galleries that are censored. If you happen to know the odd couple who do, please let me know so I can start submitting galleries to their huge TGPs.

I don't look unintelligent, I look realistic. Things would be a lot better without free porn period. Why don't you chase that pipe dream?

80smetal · 07-07-2004, 10:11 PM

pipe dream

jukeboxfrank · 07-07-2004, 10:12 PM

I was thinking the same thing. I dont show any hard core on tour
and it does not seem to stop people from joining..

the Shemp · 07-07-2004, 10:14 PM

you softcore guys can save lots of money on content.
just scan JC Penny catalog lingerie section pix...link them direct to your tours..........

Sly_RJ · 07-07-2004, 10:16 PM

Now Jace, if you DO have softcore content I'm sure your idea may definitely have its benefits. But I was asking how I could do something like that with our sites, then you insulted me. Thanks sweetie.

80smetal · 07-07-2004, 10:16 PM

see alot of mindset here is people think they need to tgp's to make money and garner traffic, fuck that. I gain traffic by my own standards and dont need to follow rules set forth by tgp's. Think outside the box on traffic generation and stop thinking "galleries" all the fuckin time

BlueCactus · 07-07-2004, 10:17 PM

I it is continually given away for free why would anyone bother paying a membership

Easton · 07-07-2004, 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
you softcore guys can save lots of money on content.
just scan JC Penny catalog lingerie section pix...link them direct to your tours..........

hehehe... nice one!

the Shemp · 07-07-2004, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by 80smetal
see alot of mindset here is people think they need to tgp's to make money and garner traffic, fuck that. I gain traffic by my own standards and dont need to follow rules set forth by tgp's. Think outside the box on traffic generation and stop thinking "galleries" all the fuckin time

exactly right, no one ever made you or anyone else submit to a TGP.

80smetal · 07-07-2004, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
exactly right, no one ever made you or anyone else submit to a TGP.

exactly, I dont, thanks

extreme · 07-07-2004, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by pine
Let's say 90% of webmasters agree with you, and they all stop making galleries with explicit hardcore. The other 10% will make a killing, and become the next Hun. Good idea, but unfortunately impractical in today's game.

.. maybe beeing the "next Hun" with 1 zillion bookmarked/returning freeloaders that gets off from all the free hardcorecontent and not buying memberships isn't that much worth anyhow?

Or is loosing sales over gained (currently) freeloading bookmarkers/returning visitors worth it cause of his future value .. possible future sales from making him interested in something much better then what's free on the site?

In that case whatever free porn is available out there, you just gotta sell something harder/longer/better?

Just thinking out loud.

the Shemp · 07-07-2004, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by 80smetal
exactly, I dont, thanks

you are a person with no profile...are you not proud of your sites?

GonePhishing · 07-07-2004, 11:17 PM

It would be hard to put the genie back in the bottle on this one, though i wish that were possible too.

the Shemp · 07-07-2004, 11:22 PM

free market economics is a cruel beast...
see, before the Berlin Wall came down every gallery could only have a max of 8 pix.... and every model was called Olga or Helga...
i kinda like the freedom to give the models different names now...

sixxxth_sense · 07-07-2004, 11:23 PM

lets do it

quiet · 07-07-2004, 11:24 PM

too much free porn!!

the Shemp · 07-07-2004, 11:25 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
too much free porn!!

indeed

Tam · 07-07-2004, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
does anyone else feel that we should limit what is out there for free to softcore and other non-hardcore shots?

tony404 and I were chatting about this and hopefully he will chime in too, but we both feel like there is WAY too much shit out there for free....certain people actually mentioned when they redid their tours to not include hardcore, the signups increased

i just want some feelings and opinions on this matter

I have actually stopped giving away all hardcore content for our affiliates and our galleries will no longer show hardcore

WE were just talking about this about a week or so ago as well. When I had my Teen site redone, we didn't put one spec of hardcore on it anywhere on the tour, made the tour smaller and it went immediately from a 1:575 (in that area) to a 1:150 ratio..... and I HAVE to believe this is exactly why it had such a drastic ratio change.

We are having several of our tours redone and we have already set in place to do this very thing.

Who the hell wants to buy it when they already got their rocks off ten times by the time they get to the join pages?

We're cleaning up our sites too........ so you aren't the only one doing this...... I support this mindset 200%

V_RocKs · 07-07-2004, 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
you are a person with no profile...are you not proud of your sites?

Boo-Yah

NiTe-HaWk · 07-07-2004, 11:35 PM

I deffenitley agree. I think nude is as far as it should go for free.

the Shemp · 07-07-2004, 11:43 PM

i hope you all go softcore, you can go face veils too.. i hear that gets even better conversions..

quiet · 07-07-2004, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
i hope you all go softcore, you can go face veils too.. i hear that gets even better conversions..

amish paradise

Jace · 07-07-2004, 11:52 PM

for those of you i insulted, i am sorry....i was jumping the gun

here is the way I see it...

those of you that say "I only have hardcore content"....what your telling me is that from picture #1 to picture #120 there is a hard dick with vagina in EVERY SINGLE PICTURE???? wow, no tease shots or leading shots up to the sex??? i doubt that seriously

why not take all the super hot shots that lead up to the sex and use them for the galleries? nothing like some serious teasing to get a surfer all revved up

NEVER censor your images, that just looks like absolute shit to have a pixelated hardcore scene...just use the pics leading up to that hardcore scene

and as for movies....when I buy or shoot content I know there is at least 5-8 minutes of total time that is non-hardcore action....use that for promo or teaser vids outside the members area.

i am just rambiling really about shit on my mind....sorry if I insulted or offended anyone (LOL)

and for those on here dogging the idea, can you show me where you have tried this option and with what paysites this was with? cause I have a feeling that most of you are just tgp dudes scared that sponsors actually might try this....

from those that have tried this, glad to see that your ratios have gotten better....i have heard this numerous times!

johnbosh · 07-07-2004, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
actually, i have chatted with people that have changed the hardcore to softcore on the galleries and their tour is all softcore or implied hardcore...and their sales have gone up in the long term with the same traffic

it is all right to be scared of something new, but when your unknowledgable about the outcome of something you have not tried you end up looking unintelligent

so it works on long term?

Jace · 07-07-2004, 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by johnbosh
so it works on long term?

Quote:

Originally posted by Tam
WE were just talking about this about a week or so ago as well. When I had my Teen site redone, we didn't put one spec of hardcore on it anywhere on the tour, made the tour smaller and it went immediately from a 1:575 (in that area) to a 1:150 ratio..... and I HAVE to believe this is exactly why it had such a drastic ratio change.

Radik · 07-07-2004, 11:56 PM

I have been doing this since I started, it's the only way.

One of my best single model sites has 4 full sized pictures
for previews thats it's it.

example - http://www.lindseymarshal.ca/previews/

Why give them enough to rub one out?..

Same with galleries why sixteen pics?, why not five, nice full quality ones instead.

the Shemp · 07-08-2004, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by Radik
I have been doing this since I started, it's the only way.

One of my best single model sites has 4 full sized pictures
for previews thats it's it.

example - http://www.lindseymarshal.ca/previews/

Why give them enough to rub one out?..

Same with galleries why sixteen pics?, why not five, nice full quality ones instead.

based on your theory, 4 pics is too much, 1 should be adequate, in fact maybe ZERO pics would be perfect.....with just a well written description of the model..

Jace · 07-08-2004, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
based on your theory, 4 pics is too much, 1 should be adequate, in fact maybe ZERO pics would be perfect.....with just a well written description of the model..

shemp, you seem to be VERY against anyone taking away the free hardcore...I would love a very detailed explanation of why this is

paysites owners have already come here and said their conversion went up when they didn't give away the hardcore...

ztik · 07-08-2004, 12:20 AM

Not everybody gets off on hardcore. Personally, I like softcore porn better. Girls posing in thongs topless, ect..

Stop giving away everything for free, then you will learn what real money is about. Samples are ok, but 10,000 sets / day is kind of crazy.

But anyway I don't really care what any of you do. I will always adapt to whatever the current method of making money is

Kicker · 07-08-2004, 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
too much free porn!!

yep

angelsofporn · 07-08-2004, 12:35 AM

I'm having my dong removed for posterity

80smetal · 07-08-2004, 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
you are a person with no profile...are you not proud of your sites?

I have no "sites" (tgp-paysites) per se, just pages in SE's. And about 8k freesites in linklists. I can't possibly list all of them in my profile

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Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	Stop giving away free hardcore does anyone else feel that we should limit what is out there for free to softcore and other non-hardcore shots? tony404 and I were chatting about this and hopefully he will chime in too, but we both feel like there is WAY too much shit out there for free....certain people actually mentioned when they redid their tours to not include hardcore, the signups increased i just want some feelings and opinions on this matter I have actually stopped giving away all hardcore content for our affiliates and our galleries will no longer show hardcore

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Mack Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,017	yep I agree 100%. We give the surfer enough to get off and get out. and some people don't realize that a man who just busted a nut isn't going for the visa he's reaching for a tissue.

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NickPapageorgio Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NC Posts: 8,323	The only way it would work is if everyone had the same mindset. I agree totally with what you are saying though. But you have some people who will disagree and won't do it. A surfer left with a hard dick is more apt to pull out a credit card than one that just busted his nut. It would be a great thing for signups if that was to happen industry wide but it won't. The biggest rule of thumb with sales is always leave the customer with their tongue hanging out dying to get their hands on your product. That is with ANYTHING you are selling. If they have already busted their nut then the magic is over. __________________

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the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	you softcore guys can save lots of money on content. just scan JC Penny catalog lingerie section pix...link them direct to your tours.......... __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Now Jace, if you DO have softcore content I'm sure your idea may definitely have its benefits. But I was asking how I could do something like that with our sites, then you insulted me. Thanks sweetie. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

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the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	free market economics is a cruel beast... see, before the Berlin Wall came down every gallery could only have a max of 8 pix.... and every model was called Olga or Helga... i kinda like the freedom to give the models different names now... __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	i hope you all go softcore, you can go face veils too.. i hear that gets even better conversions.. __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	for those of you i insulted, i am sorry....i was jumping the gun here is the way I see it... those of you that say "I only have hardcore content"....what your telling me is that from picture #1 to picture #120 there is a hard dick with vagina in EVERY SINGLE PICTURE???? wow, no tease shots or leading shots up to the sex??? i doubt that seriously why not take all the super hot shots that lead up to the sex and use them for the galleries? nothing like some serious teasing to get a surfer all revved up NEVER censor your images, that just looks like absolute shit to have a pixelated hardcore scene...just use the pics leading up to that hardcore scene and as for movies....when I buy or shoot content I know there is at least 5-8 minutes of total time that is non-hardcore action....use that for promo or teaser vids outside the members area. i am just rambiling really about shit on my mind....sorry if I insulted or offended anyone (LOL) and for those on here dogging the idea, can you show me where you have tried this option and with what paysites this was with? cause I have a feeling that most of you are just tgp dudes scared that sponsors actually might try this.... from those that have tried this, glad to see that your ratios have gotten better....i have heard this numerous times!

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