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shyguy · 07-05-2004, 07:37 PM

Hey, when designing a logo that is going to be used for print work... and hence it needs to be fully resizable (vector)... i have been simply using photoshop and making sure that everything i create is a shape vector, and not rasterizing the image at all, and then saving it as a photoshop .EPS file? is this good enough or do you really need to use say illustrator? ive been using photoshop for ages so i am just use to doing it that way, but i want to make sure that the final product is still going to be okay with no problems when people open it in say illustrator to make it 10x larger...

r0nin · 07-05-2004, 07:39 PM

learn illustrator and corel draw today man

tyler86ed · 07-05-2004, 07:59 PM

make sure you use a high dpi and cmyk. 1200 dpi is usually what i start out with, it can always be dropped. Most bcards I do I go down to 600.

Newton - XXXAmigoz · 07-05-2004, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by r0nin
learn illustrator and corel draw today man

shyguy · 07-05-2004, 08:54 PM

cheers ppl... i know how to use illustrator from back in uni... but i dont have the program myself yet...

but will a photoshop eps still work?

Basic_man · 07-05-2004, 08:56 PM

use illustrator !

Doctor Dre · 07-05-2004, 11:37 PM

High DPI wont matter . But you SHOULD learn illustrator or corel draw . They are the way to go and takes 10 x less time to create the same thing

shyguy · 07-05-2004, 11:41 PM

alright cool.. but can you still create it in photoshop and have an .eps file that will work as vectors?

Doctor Dre · 07-05-2004, 11:42 PM

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Originally posted by shyguy
alright cool.. but can you still create it in photoshop and have an .eps file that will work as vectors?

It really dont matter for print ... it can be bitmap over 400-600 dpi and it will be as good as vector . So as long as you save it big enough and the software keep the quality when you design, its all good

toddler · 07-05-2004, 11:43 PM

chances are it will work, but look like shit. Why don't you try it out? Kinkos is open 24/7.

Johny Traffic · 07-05-2004, 11:56 PM

The image doesnt have to be a vector image to print. Who told you that is an idiot

It only needs to be a vector if you are doing it in spot colours and not full colour CMYK

But that said if you are printing in spot colours and so need the logo vectord photoshop wont work, its eps is still a bitmat and not a vectord image, so you will need to create in Illistrator or freehand. Avoid Coral draw its for amateurs working at home.

shyguy · 07-06-2004, 09:44 PM

okay so basically if you are just using photoshop then there is no point in providing a photoshop .eps file?

EROTEEK · 07-07-2004, 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by shyguy
okay so basically if you are just using photoshop then there is no point in providing a photoshop .eps file?

.. nope, the photoshop .eps file is totally different from the Illustrator's .eps, even if it let's you RASTERIZE at a bigger resolution that the one you worked in, it's still a RASTERIZATION, not a scalable vector file. It won't be a problem for printing up to.... let's say 150% of the original file size, but no match for the vector that can be upsized to any size wanted. Photoshop does not use mathematic formulas to describe curves, like Vector programs do.

theS2O · 07-07-2004, 07:55 AM

for printing (vector) artworks.. i'd say use coreldraw or macromedia freehand.. these are some of the top vector editors right now.

Rob · 07-07-2004, 07:58 AM

You can't print Vector art.

shyguy · 07-08-2004, 10:19 PM

okay so is the conclusion then that if you are creating a logo for print work, you shouldnt use photoshop?

pimpin · 07-08-2004, 10:38 PM

yup. . . good idea.
Use both tools when you can. . . can't have 1 w/o the other imho.

Jace · 07-08-2004, 10:53 PM

one thing I learned from working in a print shop and also having a best friend that went to one of the top design schools is that your wasting your time doing anything above 150dpi....there are almost no printers (the machine not the shop) that go above it....most printers (the shop) just tell you to do it above because of the myth that has been perpetuated for so long about

gher dpi means higher quality"

Jace · 07-08-2004, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by shyguy
okay so is the conclusion then that if you are creating a logo for print work, you shouldnt use photoshop?

i have NEVER had troubles using photoshop for any print work...as long as you do it right, it is fine

shyguy · 07-10-2004, 02:33 AM

okay cool... so when creating a logo for print using photoshop, what file types would you need to supply? is there any point in making everything shape layers? and do you just make the logo a size that should be the largest it will need to be?

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Johny Traffic Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,461	The image doesnt have to be a vector image to print. Who told you that is an idiot It only needs to be a vector if you are doing it in spot colours and not full colour CMYK But that said if you are printing in spot colours and so need the logo vectord photoshop wont work, its eps is still a bitmat and not a vectord image, so you will need to create in Illistrator or freehand. Avoid Coral draw its for amateurs working at home. __________________ hosted flv's, hosted galleries, morphing rss feeds, free content, free sites, hosted blog

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Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	one thing I learned from working in a print shop and also having a best friend that went to one of the top design schools is that your wasting your time doing anything above 150dpi....there are almost no printers (the machine not the shop) that go above it....most printers (the shop) just tell you to do it above because of the myth that has been perpetuated for so long about gher dpi means higher quality"

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shyguy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 123	okay cool... so when creating a logo for print using photoshop, what file types would you need to supply? is there any point in making everything shape layers? and do you just make the logo a size that should be the largest it will need to be? __________________ Great MONEY making opportunity - Casino Cash