That would be a discussion that would take a great deal of time, and accomplish very little. If I have somehow offended your sensibilities by suggesting that is ignorant to assert that one entire "race" (race being a silly socio-cultural construct to begin with) is superior to another entire "race", then I apologize.

As far as the "undisputed" intellectual superiority of the Nazis goes, I think you might find some military historians and military strategists that would dispute that point quite vigorously.

- Q.

Well said.

Go ahead and enlighten us, friend! The nazis outshined any other group of human beings when it came to developing new technologies and concepts, and don't be afraid, this doesn't conflict with the officially dictated opinion of the nazis as evil. Moral consciousness, however you may define it (or have it defined for you, as the case may be), doesn't have much anything to do with intellectual ability.

Explain why, then. Because you are a Jew and you don't like to actually discuss the topic? How marvellous.

Ban him I say. :BangBang:

hmm ill concede that the nazis had some superior technology 60 years ago. They didn't use it very wisely though. I don't see you trying to distance the nazis of today from the nazis of the past. Most of your argument still points towards what the nazis were doing 60 years ago.

So all in all....id just like to ask.

what is the point that you are so eloquently trying to make?

bullshit, most of them arranged with the system because they had no other chance. most of them recognized too late that they were abused by the political system. 90% of the nazi scum were just normal people, also influenced by the polititcal and economical system. most of them were too dumb to understand what was going on. only 10% of the nazi leaders were intelligent enough to influence the population in a way that they were believing to do the right thing. and all this at a time when moral integrity and human rights did not play the role as they do today.

but I'm sure you know all this in all your wisdom about the history of my country.

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actually i would make a very good arier. no, i'm not a jew. but what role does it play?

For making the point that lack of knowledge and moral/political differences are two entirely different things? Wow. Who are intellectually inferior ignoramuses now, I ask.

When it comes to measuring intellectual ability, I think it is much more appropriate to do so on an individual basis; there were some very bright people among the Nazis, to be certain, but the underlying Nazi philosophy itself doesn't really embody or represent a very sophisticated or well-informed world view, in my opinion.

As I said previously, this is a discussion that would take a great deal of time, and accomplish little (or nothing). I don't disagree that moral conciousness has little to do with intellectual ability, I just don't concur that the Nazis, taken as a whole, "outshined any other group of human beings" in the fields that you keep citing.

On that point, I think perhaps we just need to agree to disagree.

- Q.

That is all speculation and opinion. The technological legacy of the nazis speak of an entirely different reality.

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Am I the only jewish person who doesn't give a fuck what is said on gfy about jewish people?

Thank you for actually discussing this instead of going into an cowardly emotional fit. I'd like to mention though that you should have picked up on my point a long time ago. It was a simple point. It was the only point I made. I will quote myself; "For making the point that lack of knowledge and moral/political differences are two entirely different things?"

Agreed, then. I have made my point.

and because the allied also developed such a large amount of technical brillant stuff during the war they were also nazis? because to be a nazi means to be intelligent? or if you are intelligent you are automatically a nazi? or what are you trying to say with that?

i never heard so much nonsense before on this board - and that's not easy said.

All this trolling aside...

A nazi flag with the phrase "Fuck N*G*ERS" shouldn't be allowed on this board and it certainly doesn't reflect well on the industry in general, which is under attack enough as it is from our OWN MODERN fascist dictator and his henchmen. :Graucho

Are you sure about that? Can you back it up? Can you show any examples of how today's living was somehow made better by the existance of the nazi party?
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I don't think Quentin's response was uneducated, and assuming from *some* of the language in your posts you're not supporting the nazi party- so why waste energy? I think the nazi party is a good example of the effects of mob mentality. Hitler was a brilliant propagandist, and was a advocate of animal (not human) rights, but he was a nutball. Clinically, he had dementia from his syphillis. So just burry it.

It is natural for technology and arms races to occur during times of tension or conflict, and USA did indeed also invent a lot of technology during WWII. What you fail or are unwilling to understand is the population-wise numerical imparity between WWII-era Germany and USA, and the number and impact of the nazi inventions.

And don't come to me with accusations of nonsense or weird logic, you are the one who went into an emotional fit when the point that lack of knowledge and moral differences are two seperate concepts was made.

Monkey- but you are forgetting that the nazis, like many other countries at that time, were also employing outside minds from other countries to aid them in their development. They also had unlimited funding from the assets they ceased while invading the homes of their own people.

The largest and most prolific contribution the Nazi regime made to history was that of genocide. The cost of lives effected not only families then and now on emotional levels, but also on economic levels. The intellectual capabilities lost in peoples that were imprisoned, tortured to death and mass-murdered is hardly accounted for. The loss of future labor workers, scientist, economist, sales strategist and inventors we must assume to be highly substantial; not to mention driving your country into a losing war whereas much of your surface was bombed with intensity accounting for all kinds of economic downward spirals.

I do not care if the Nazis are linked tightly to the invention of the light bulb, when you kill off millions of potential minds and labor force personel in the interest of anti-semetic values and delusions of vanity breeding, you are not "intelligent."

There is a whole spectrum of possibilities we lost out on.

I am an atheist, not a jew; just so we don't go down that road. I am often surprised at how quick we are to defend a tyrant without considering the entire picture.

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Well, in today's terms and abstracts, aren't someone willingly helping the nazis indeed a nazi him/herself? Add to it the racial and ethnic policies of WWII Germany, which would have given it a small outside population to choose from.

As to your second point, there is no such thing as unlimited funding, and while the possessions of some groups of people were indeed confiscated under certain conditions, that simply can not stand up to the economical might of the USA.

Because I made a point that I think is of importance. It wasn't my intention to waste energy, but obviously I didn't soon enough realize that some people are unable to get the message out of a text unless its essence is boiled down to a short, linear sentence served on a silver platter.

This is an irrelevant plea to emotion. Pleas to emotion are the last resort of an argument.

You will downplay all responses that you do not agree with (seeing the platform you are fighting on, this is not surprising to me).

That moron should be banned !!!!:feels-hot

The nazi's were willing to overlook ethinc backgrounds when it suited their needs. Hitler himself wasn't even arian as he had Jewish blood. The Jewish population post WW1 was the upper class in Germany, could you imagine if the homes were plundered of our wealthiest citizens- I suppose it wasn't "unlimited" but as they are still finding stashes of Nazi Gold to this day- I'd say for the time it was pretty close to it.

me...I am not interested in putting fuel in their fire...ignore them and they will go away..I have been hearing nasty comments about jews all my life. i choice to not let them get the best of me!!!!

What the world needs---another intelligent idiot:thumbsup
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The number and impact is proportional compared to the sizes of the two populations...Asshole:321GFY

No, I stated a fact. Your post consisted of emotional pleas, which are widely thought of to be a very unsophisticated form of argumentation, if indeed you even can call it that. Why do you attack me and then assume what I believe in, though? Are you a hateful person, Cory? Are you evil?

That is an urban myth, and I dare you, challenge you, to back it up. You'd be surprised at the number of myths out there if you had bothered to utilize your conveniently disabled critical thinking. Or do you really believe that Hitler masturbated under the podium while giving speeches, made lampshades out of human skin, pissed on his niese for sexual pleasure, got his technology from extra-terrestials, and so on and so forth?

you stated what you believe are facts. your facts are based on incomplete and questionable knowledge. therefore they are no facts. they are just allegations.

No, the post reminded us about situations irrelevant to the discussion at hand in an effort to argue through emotion alone, therefore it is what we know as an "plea to emotion." Don't take your apparent lack of education or common sense out on the rest of us.

i would be quite interested whom do you mean by "us"...
or are you speaking about yourself in the third person?

btw: my lack of education leads me to being impolite - I still have some work to do today instead of playing with a kiddie in the sandbox. and please stop hitting the other kids with the shovel.

You are a troll and I shall feed you no longer. Run along now. :glugglug

Your argument is based on Nazi production which has assisted the world in growth.

Correct or not?

Hans Frank declared during the Nuremberg Trials in 1945-46 that Hitler's grandmother, Maria Anna Schicklgruber, worked for a Jewish family, the Frankenbergers. The Frankenbergers had a son who was nineteen years old at the time Hitler's forty-two-year-old grandmother bore a child out of wedlock, and the Jewish family paid for the support of the child up to the time it was fourteen years old.

While I personally can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is fact- no one has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is not. The fact is that this was made a matter of record durring the Nuremberg Trials. "Google It"- there are just as many sites that will stick by it as fact as those who claim it's fiction.

There is also the fact that hitler had dark eyes and dark hair- hardly aryian breeding stock. And why would it be upsetting to you if the furher turned out to be jewish?
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Just one side note- my entrance in this conversation began with questioning your statements, hoping you could do some backing up- but somehow this never happened and I wound up backing up my own remarks? Clever Monkey- but I'm still waiting...

Fuck off moron, im not changing your sig, i wouldnt know how. Even if i knew how i still wouldnt do it.

Take that back you fucker. I might be a harsh mofo but i dont pull shit like that.

I did assert that the nazis created a lot of technology, in fact a hell of a lot more technology than one could expect from such a relatively small group of people in such a short time-span, but my point, which started this squabble, was that political and/or moral differences does not automatically equate to ignorance as

As much as many of you dislike the nazis, because of both truths and myths, you simply have no ground on which you can claim that people who think of NS as a sound ideology are therefore ignorant. They already know of your opinions (NS is the "dark side of the force" :1orglaugh, Jews have a right to be in Europe, etc), and you know some of theirs. You disagree, you have different takes on various issues. Either way, people are not ignorant simply for having opinions that differ from other people.

Busted, again. :1orglaugh

I will molest a post from another forum. It answers precisely the two issues you have taken up.

"The myth of Hitler as the "imperfect Aryan" with brown eyes is often spouted and propagated by the same individuals who would have us believe that Hitler was a Jew or a homosexual - myths which can be easily disproved and are completely rejected by mainstream Hitler biographers.

One of the first things people noticed about Hitler was his "large, clear, and blue eyes." Dr. Ernst Hanfstaengl remarks in his article in Collier's, August 4, 1934 that, He [Hitler] had clear blue eyes and in them there was neither guile nor fear. There was honesty; there was sincerity; there was a hint of scorn." When Karl Ludecke first heard Hitler speak, he wrote, "Hitler was a slight, pale man with brown hair parted to one side. He had steel-blue eyes[...]" Leon Degrelle says in The Enigma of Hitler that, "Hitler had deep blue eyes that many found bewitching." Sefton Delmer of the Daily Express wrote on 23rd February, 1933, "Hitler watched them for a few moments, a savage fury blazing from his pale blue eyes." Martha Dodd writes in her book Through Embassy Eyes that, "Hitler's eyes were startling and unforgettable - they seemed pale blue in color, were intense, unwavering, hypnotic."

Hundreds of other, similar quotes are to be found in mainstream Hitler biographies. From John Toland to Alan Bullock, historians agree: Hitler had blue eyes. To deny this is contrary to all reason, for a brown-eyed Hitler would've had to get his brown eyes from nowhere, as both his parents had blue eyes also.

Another even more common myth is the one that Hitler was Jewish. One need not rely on quotations to disprove this - simple facts will suffice. The discovery of one Katharina Salomon - an apparently Jewish-sounding name - first started speculations about Hitler's supposed Jewish ancestry. Actually, Saloman was the daughter of Johann Salomon, a Catholic. Later on, it was found that the Catholic Katharina Salomon did not even belong on Hitler's family tree;.she was replaced by Maria Hamberger.

One newspaper went so far as to publish the pedigree of one Klara Hitler, a Jew born in 1821. This was supposedly Hitler's mother - even though the Jewess in question would have been 78 years old at the time of Hitler's birth.

The most common story of Hitler's alleged Jewishness comes originally from Hans Frank, who claimed that before Hitler's father was born, Hitler's grandmother Schicklgruber had been a cook in Graz, in the household of a Jew by the name of Frankenberger; that she had become pregnant by the son of the house, and that for the next fourteen years she had received child support payments. According to Frank, this information came directly from Hitler, who said that his grandmother had told him this. Frank's statement is obviously false, for Hitler's grandmother had died 42 years before Hitler was even born. And not only that: no record exists of either a Frankenberger or a Frankenreiter in Graz. In fact, not a single Jew lived anywhere in the entire province until after 1856. Hitler's father was born twenty years earlier, a fact which lays this fraudulent theory to rest."

Hitler's Eyes:

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