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adultwpc 07-02-2004 06:39 PM

For those that are concerned about "references" or whatever else is on your mind, you can email me at [email protected] with your references so that I know you are legit and I'm not giving info to just anyone that's lurking around here for entertainment or are not serious about doing business with us.

Hope to hear from you :thumbsup

Thanks.

acratophorum 07-02-2004 08:20 PM

This sounds interesting. However, I don't understand why you are dodging questions. Most of these questions seem to be legit...webmasters want to know that they won't be screwed again.

I have a few questions of my own. Firstly, to be a processor in North America, per se, you MUST be a licensed financial institution, like a bank. Are you an acredited financial institution?

Secondly, customers can successfully execute a chargeback under two pretenses: 1) never received product 2) product not as described.

How will you determine if the, say, content, is not as described? When customers file a chargeback under this pretense, it is very often with the intention of getting something for free...So, in essence, you are left judging how 'hardcore' the site must be to be considered hardcore...

Also, on your website you accept American Express...Won't they freeze your account when they find out their cards are being used to *indirectly* purchase porn?

One more thing....as everyone knows, whenever a credit card transaction takes place without a signature, the customer has basically the 'carte blanche' to chargeback...how do you prevent this?

Understand, this is not some sort of attack...you came onto the boards to spam your services; surely you anticipated questions!

doober 07-02-2004 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by adultwpc
For those that are concerned about "references" or whatever else is on your mind, you can email me at [email protected] with your references so that I know you are legit and I'm not giving info to just anyone that's lurking around here for entertainment or are not serious about doing business with us.

Hope to hear from you :thumbsup

Thanks.

thats a hell of a screening process in your quest to drum up some biz.
Skating around all the q's posted here thus far isnt helping you any either

:2 cents:

acratophorum 07-02-2004 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by TheDoc
Because it works like epassport. The visitor/member doesn't purchase a membership from your site.

The visitor / member purchases pre-paid funds into a webpasscard account. They load the account with $100. When the person wants to purchase access to your site they use a webpasscard that deducts $20 from the account.

Seeming it's not a 3rd party processor webpasscard can dispute the chargeback. But it's not a chargeback from your site it's from a loaded account and much much harder to chargeback.

Yes, they may be able to dispute the chargeback, but since their is no customer signature, the customer can still successfully execute a chargeback...maybe the merchant will not be charged a cb fee, but cb's can kill this company, resulting in a Globill type situation.

adultwpc 07-02-2004 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by acratophorum
This sounds interesting. However, I don't understand why you are dodging questions. Most of these questions seem to be legit...webmasters want to know that they won't be screwed again.

I have a few questions of my own. Firstly, to be a processor in North America, per se, you MUST be a licensed financial institution, like a bank. Are you an acredited financial institution?



That was answered earlier in the post.

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Secondly, customers can successfully execute a chargeback under two pretenses: 1) never received product 2) product not as described.

How will you determine if the, say, content, is not as described? When customers file a chargeback under this pretense, it is very often with the intention of getting something for free...So, in essence, you are left judging how 'hardcore' the site must be to be considered hardcore...
We would look at the site to determine if the request from the customer is legit.

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Also, on your website you accept American Express...Won't they freeze your account when they find out their cards are being used to *indirectly* purchase porn?
The customer is using a WebPassCard to access porn.
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One more thing....as everyone knows, whenever a credit card transaction takes place without a signature, the customer has basically the 'carte blanche' to chargeback...how do you prevent this?
WebPassCard underwrites their own chargebacks. A credit card was not used.
Quote:

Understand, this is not some sort of attack...you came onto the boards to spam your services; surely you anticipated questions!

adultwpc 07-02-2004 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by doober
thats a hell of a screening process in your quest to drum up some biz.
Skating around all the q's posted here thus far isnt helping you any either

:2 cents:

What questions?

Mike Okitch 07-02-2004 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by adultwpc
What questions?
Have you not seen several people essentially asking the same question.

I'll repeat it just in case you missed it.

But you've dodged it so far and won't be surprised if you dodge it again.

Respecting and considering the fact that you stated that you sir have been in business since 1996, the majority of people posting on this thread find reason to believe that you must have been working on some projects, sites and people (actually having names) since that time.

The same said majority of people, in a desire to not be, what is called in fancy scientific terms, assfucked, demand that you mention the names of projects, sites and people (yes, the human beings, the kind with a belly button) that you have been working with. What are they?

Failure to answer this simple question may cause acne and greasy rectal discharges. It may also cause people to lack interest in your services.

I believe you will dodge the question since you have dodged mine and everyone elses. But at least I'll have tried.

:thumbsup

detoxed 07-02-2004 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheDoc
Because it works like epassport. The visitor/member doesn't purchase a membership from your site.

The visitor / member purchases pre-paid funds into a webpasscard account. They load the account with $100. When the person wants to purchase access to your site they use a webpasscard that deducts $20 from the account.

Seeming it's not a 3rd party processor webpasscard can dispute the chargeback. But it's not a chargeback from your site it's from a loaded account and much much harder to chargeback.

No shit.. but thats not true. I did a chargeback on money I sent through Western Union. Over $1000....easy to chargeback.

adultwpc 07-02-2004 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike Okitch
Have you not seen several people essentially asking the same question.

I'll repeat it just in case you missed it.

But you've dodged it so far and won't be surprised if you dodge it again.

Respecting and considering the fact that you stated that you sir have been in business since 1996, the majority of people posting on this thread find reason to believe that you must have been working on some projects, sites and people (actually having names) since that time.

The same said majority of people, in a desire to not be, what is called in fancy scientific terms, assfucked, demand that you mention the names of projects, sites and people (yes, the human beings, the kind with a belly button) that you have been working with. What are they?

Failure to answer this simple question may cause acne and greasy rectal discharges. It may also cause people to lack interest in your services.

I believe you will dodge the question since you have dodged mine and everyone elses. But at least I'll have tried.

:thumbsup

You may email me with your references and questions about my references as stated in a post above to [email protected] and be sure to include your nickname so I know who I'm talking to. You don't have include your nickname if you don't want to, I'll understand.

ModelPerfect 07-02-2004 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by adultwpc
For those that are concerned about "references" or whatever else is on your mind, you can email me at [email protected] with your references so that I know you are legit and I'm not giving info to just anyone that's lurking around here for entertainment or are not serious about doing business with us.

Hope to hear from you :thumbsup

Thanks.

Sorry, but we don't have to prove anything. You're not using our service, we're potentially using yours. If we use your service, then you get your money whether we're established or not. What everyone in the board is interested in is making sure THEY are NOT going to get screwed. So far you've done absolutely nothing but evade the issue. If you don't want to prove your legit, then that's fine. You're under no obligation to do so, but I wouldn't expect anyone on this board to use your service.

ModelPerfect 07-02-2004 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by adultwpc
The customer is using a WebPassCard to access porn.

WebPassCard underwrites their own chargebacks. A credit card was not used.

I still don't understand how you can say that. How do they charge their account? A credit card is used. Maybe not directly for access, but they do use one to charge their accounts.

adultwpc 07-02-2004 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by ModelPerfect
Sorry, but we don't have to prove anything. You're not using our service, we're potentially using yours. If we use your service, then you get your money whether we're established or not. What everyone in the board is interested in is making sure THEY are NOT going to get screwed. So far you've done absolutely nothing but evade the issue. If you don't want to prove your legit, then that's fine. You're under no obligation to do so, but I wouldn't expect anyone on this board to use your service.
Actually you would be placed under scruitiny before you are accepted as a WebPassCard merchant. We don't want to get "screwed" either. Feel free to email me if you really are worried about getting "screwed."

Mike Okitch 07-02-2004 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by adultwpc
You may email me with your references and questions about my references as stated in a post above to [email protected] and be sure to include your nickname so I know who I'm talking to. You don't have include your nickname if you don't want to, I'll understand.
I have references from Hustler, Penthouse and Club.

I also work on a regular basis with sexxxysheeps.com

I buy stuff from them all the time and that makes me a pro in the biz :winkwink:

/sarcasm

My references don't mean shit. You're the one claiming to have a service that's all that. You have the burden of proof buddy, not me.

The fact is you dodged the question AGAIN. My questions and everyone elses sums up in

-Who the fuck are you?

-Since 96, what the fuck have you done?

-Since 96, who the fuck did you work for?

Remember that you are the one trying to sell a service here, not me. So how about you post here answering my questions?

ModelPerfect 07-02-2004 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by adultwpc
Actually you would be placed under scruitiny before you are accepted as a WebPassCard merchant. We don't want to get "screwed" either. Feel free to email me if you really are worried about getting "screwed."
Listen, I'd be the one giving you money for the account and trusting you with MY money from MY business. I have no desire to work with someone who's being so evasive. No offense meant and no hard feelings here, but I can't think of any words that could be said in private email that would get my hackles back down. I wish you all the best. Good luck.

adultwpc 07-02-2004 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike Okitch
I have references from Hustler, Penthouse and Club.

I also work on a regular basis with sexxxysheeps.com

I buy stuff from them all the time and that makes me a pro in the biz :winkwink:

/sarcasm

My references don't mean shit. You're the one claiming to have a service that's all that. You have the burden of proof buddy, not me.

The fact is you dodged the question AGAIN. My questions and everyone elses sums up in

-Who the fuck are you?

-Since 96, what the fuck have you done?

-Since 96, who the fuck did you work for?

Remember that you are the one trying to sell a service here, not me. So how about you post here answering my questions?

Coming from an anonymous person. Email me, dude? I'll answer your questions. You know where our site is. Where is yours? Because if you want to do business with us we'll need to know eventually. So why not share it with everyone? You have an interest in doing business? Is that why you post here? Or are there other reasons?

adultwpc 07-02-2004 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by ModelPerfect
Listen, I'd be the one giving you money for the account and trusting you with MY money from MY business. I have no desire to work with someone who's being so evasive. No offense meant and no hard feelings here, but I can't think of any words that could be said in private email that would get my hackles back down. I wish you all the best. Good luck.
No problem, good luck to you as well.

Centurion 07-02-2004 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
adultwpc:

What exactly is your position with this company? You into PR or sales?

I'm just wondering about the "attitude" some have already noticed. It says a lot... :uhoh

I bet he's having to beat off (:) ) webmasters because they are signing up like mad due to his very warm & fuzzy business like manner! :1orglaugh

sean416 07-02-2004 09:55 PM

After reading this post I have come to two conclusions.

1. He will never supply a reference because he doesnt have any.

2. I wouldnt use this service untill I hear about it elsewhere other then one post on GFY.

I mean shit, do you guys realize he got offended that someone said this was spam because he is an "established" webmaster... but yet no one including himself can or will verify this.

Centurion 07-02-2004 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by adultwpc
Sorry, not into swamping peoples email boxes with a bunch emails. I hope you can appreciate that?

Hey I got an idea! The next time you setup a business phone somewhere you can ask your phone company for references to be sure you have someone to call after it's setup!

If everything is on the up and up and you are a professional looking for other professionals to join your program, why don't you share WHO the heck you are.

What's your name..or your handle you've used in the adult biz since 1996? How about some sites YOU ran/are running?

When you're handling MY money..I want to know EVERYTHING I can about you and your company.

Centurion 07-02-2004 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by adultwpc
For those that are concerned about "references" or whatever else is on your mind, you can email me at [email protected] with your references so that I know you are legit and I'm not giving info to just anyone that's lurking around here for entertainment or are not serious about doing business with us.

Hope to hear from you :thumbsup

Thanks.

You advertise here..but you sure as heck ain't going to ANSWER any questions here eh? Why do I keep waiting for Amp to suddenly jump out and say "SUPRISE!"?

Centurion 07-02-2004 10:00 PM

100 Scams!

adultwpc 07-02-2004 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Centurion
You advertise here..but you sure as heck ain't going to ANSWER any questions here eh? Why do I keep waiting for Amp to suddenly jump out and say "SUPRISE!"?
This is an anonymous board where I chose to remain so. If you want to know who I am, email me, if you're really interested? If the question is truly important to you or anyone, then email me.

ZoiNk 07-02-2004 10:17 PM

Several Questions you Avoided that I want to hear the answers to:

1) The same question ppl are repeatedly asking about you being in adult since 1996, with who, what did you do?

2) What position are you at the company?

3) What licences do you have to do this kind of business in the US?

And now some of mine...

4) Have you discussing with your bank exactly all the transactions you are doing and who your end customers are reguarding your merchant account?

5) How many merchant accounts do you have? Only 1?


Lots of companies have tried to do exactly what you are doing. Most are dead now.

ZoiNk

Tempest 07-02-2004 10:18 PM

GFY can be brutal if you don't have your shit together.. And this idiot just keeps digging the grave deeper... It's funny really.. If someone "known" and "respected" had come in right away and given it a thumbs up everyone would have been all over it.

As someone who can't get any damn 3rd party billing because I'm Canadian, A solution like this would be a godsend. Unless I've completely misunderstood, it's like a prepaid phone card which isolates the "paysite" operator from CC regs... The whole "no chargebacks" things is just so much smoke and mirrors. The reality is that we would most likely still get slammed with refunds. Instead of being at the mercy of Visa as far as being revoked for too many charagebacks, we'd still be at the mercy of webpass. ANOTHER reason why we want to know who you are.

But jeez.. not being straight up and forthcoming with references etc. is just ridiculous... This company and thread is going in my "probably a scam" folder to be brought out whenever someone asks about them.

Mike Okitch 07-02-2004 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by adultwpc
Coming from an anonymous person. Email me, dude? I'll answer your questions. You know where our site is. Where is yours? Because if you want to do business with us we'll need to know eventually. So why not share it with everyone? You have an interest in doing business? Is that why you post here? Or are there other reasons?
Yes I'm anonymous. So what? You're telling me that you are not?

I do know where your site is. But if you want me to spend $999.99 for a Start up fee and service fees between 15% to 17.5%, you sure as hell better tell me where the you hail from before I send you the money and before I give you the name of any site.

Yes, I'm here for an interest in business. If you where here for the same reason, you'd answer the questions.

Tempest 07-02-2004 10:24 PM

Crap. They changed their registration info since yesterday. Anyone else check it out yesterday and remember what the name was. David or Dave something or other???

Morgan 07-02-2004 10:26 PM

bad idea, wont work. sorry

Mike Okitch 07-02-2004 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tempest
Crap. They changed their registration info since yesterday. Anyone else check it out yesterday and remember what the name was. David or Dave something or other???
Yep. And today, it's Mr. Duvall :)

adultwpc 07-02-2004 10:41 PM

Alright you guys fine. I don't give a shit anymore...

My name is Chad Seltzer.

I started out with an adult site named bareskin.com which after losing the ability to process memberships with my own merchant account decided to get into content production called Bareskin (now defunct.) After which I've spent the last few years keeping up with the adult industry such as it is while working as a freelance network admin. Now I'm working with Adult WebPassCard.

Here's a reference:

Howard at ezGreen.com knows me.

There happy? :)

Mike Okitch 07-02-2004 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by adultwpc
There happy? :)
Yes!

Thank you! :)



:thumbsup

Tam 07-02-2004 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tempest
Crap. They changed their registration info since yesterday. Anyone else check it out yesterday and remember what the name was. David or Dave something or other???
It was Greg Duvall earlier today.......... :thumbsup
I have been watching this one very closely too for reasons of my own. :winkwink:

Tempest 07-02-2004 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tam
It was Greg Duvall earlier today.......... :thumbsup
I have been watching this one very closely too for reasons of my own. :winkwink:

Right. Not sure why I thought it was a David. The Greg name still shows up for paymentplansint.com which was registered in 2002. But it resolves/redirects to adultwebpasscard.

Tempest 07-02-2004 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by adultwpc
Now I'm working with Adult WebPassCard.
So who actually runs/owns it then?

Tam 07-02-2004 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tempest
So who actually runs/owns it then?
I think that's the question on everyone's mind.... something very strange yet very familiar with this whole scene...... just not sure what yet. :winkwink:

Mike Okitch 07-03-2004 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by Tam
I think that's the question on everyone's mind.... something very strange yet very familiar with this whole scene...... just not sure what yet. :winkwink:
This?

[IMG]http://img32.*******/img32/4666/flybynight.jpg[/IMG]

Tam 07-03-2004 12:15 AM

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Originally posted by Mike Okitch
This?

[IMG]http://img32.*******/img32/4666/flybynight.jpg[/IMG]

Huh? LOL

Mike Okitch 07-03-2004 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by Tam
Huh? LOL
fly by night :winkwink:

Tam 07-03-2004 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by Mike Okitch
fly by night :winkwink:

I am not sure yet exactly...... just the skeptic in me I guess. I've grown paranoid these days with all the BS going on and things that "sound too good to be true", you know the old saying on this one..... :winkwink:

Mr.Fiction 07-03-2004 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by adultwpc
For those that are concerned about "references" or whatever else is on your mind, you can email me at [email protected] with your references so that I know you are legit and I'm not giving info to just anyone that's lurking around here for entertainment or are not serious about doing business with us.

Someone might want to email this guy and post his reply here?

ModelPerfect 07-03-2004 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by adultwpc
Alright you guys fine. I don't give a shit anymore...

My name is Chad Seltzer.

I started out with an adult site named bareskin.com which after losing the ability to process memberships with my own merchant account decided to get into content production called Bareskin (now defunct.) After which I've spent the last few years keeping up with the adult industry such as it is while working as a freelance network admin. Now I'm working with Adult WebPassCard.

Here's a reference:

Howard at ezGreen.com knows me.

There happy? :)

Thank you.
Just curious, who is Greg Duvall and how long have you been affiliated with him?


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