And how did they pay for their WebPassCard? By Visa. That's the charge they'll bill back.

I've been in this business exactly 47 minutes if you count the 13.5 it took me to rub one out while surfing on The Hun.

But let's sum this up shall we? You've been in business since 1996, have a domain (on auto-renewal or not) that expires at the end of this year, you registered on GFY today (http://www.gofuckyourself.com/member...o&userid=34381) No one here seems to know who you are and more than one person here has accused you of having an attitude.

I'll be the first to reckon that nobody has a clue who I am, but I don't go around pimping a billing solution. I'm keeping that for after I have built that reputation thing some people have been talking about.

Anyways adultwpc, I do sincerely wish you all the best with your business :)

And, oh yeah, GFY actually IS a social event. People here don't do business with the ones they don't like.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

You make 0 sense. How do you plan on stopping them from charging back their webpasscard purchase?

There are some employees (ex now obviously) at WSB I'd love to get my hands on.

They flat out lied to us all. I had accountants, VPs, salesreps and even techs tell me "Oh don't worry, everything is good".

Okay so the lower ranked guys get a pass. But their Vice President? How did he not get charged with Fraud? I flat out asked him what the fuck was up and he told me "Everything is good ... we'll have our deposit back really soon, we'll catch up on the payouts, don't worry."

The next day, the were out of business. They couldn't have made that decision in the span of 8 hours. He flat out lied to me, and that's Fraud.

Fuckers

Hello again.

For a better understanding...

WebPassCard underwrites their own chargeback's.
WebPassCard is a proprietary processing system.
WebPassCard is a PROCESSOR, not a 3rd party billing system.
Chargeback determinations are made internally directly at WebPassCard, bearing no relationship to Visa/MC chargeback rules.WebPassCard's internal policy and procedures, after extensive legal research, mandate no chargeback's to the merchants if there is no fraud or deception by the merchant. Therefore, if there are no fraudulent or deceptive practices by the merchant, not only are there no chargeback's,
there are NO CHARGEBACK FEES!

Hope we can do business together!

If you've been in the business since '96 then a lot of old timers would know you, correct? So give some references.

Cause right now, you got a lot talk but nothing to back it up with. If you do go back that far in time in the biz and live or work in Buffalo, then GreenGuy would know you intimately, correct? I'll ask him tomorrow. Meanwhile ...

Who do we know you as, who have you worked for/with or who knows you?

If you can't answer that, you may as well close up shop right now. And btw, we like new alternatives for processing, so there's a strong desire here for this to be a genuine workable solution. But you gotta show your pedigree since you say you have one.

ok
:glugglug

seriously if you've been around for that long then you should know how gfy works and how to do business here.

good luck

Good luck with your biz

Some people are a tad slow..

It's like epoch/paypal... Same theory.. You load an account, once a transaction is taken from that account you don't get a chargeback.

We certainly won't be closing shop and as time moves on and the word gets around from the webmasters using WebPassCard you can hear their words instead of mine.

Some people want to know how webpasscard wont get shitload of chargebacks themselves, and lose the ability to process

Because it works like epassport. The visitor/member doesn't purchase a membership from your site.

The visitor / member purchases pre-paid funds into a webpasscard account. They load the account with $100. When the person wants to purchase access to your site they use a webpasscard that deducts $20 from the account.

Seeming it's not a 3rd party processor webpasscard can dispute the chargeback. But it's not a chargeback from your site it's from a loaded account and much much harder to chargeback.

adultwpc:

What exactly is your position with this company? You into PR or sales?

I'm just wondering about the "attitude" some have already noticed. It says a lot... :uhoh

adultwpc:

So... You are asking folks to dump 1k on "Webpasscard" for "associated merchant costs" for one domain and a further "one time fee of $300.00" for each additional domain, then charge 15% - 17.5% per transaction? That's very modest.

The answer to the above is in keeping with your "attitude" - total bullshit. My normal setup fees for WebbyPassCard are $5K - that's all! :1orglaugh

Webmasters would have to be more than hard up for processing to play that game - any established processor offers more for less and merchant accounts are cheap in comparison to a prestige "Webpasscard". Why should *anyone* trust "Webpasscard" with their money, nevermind the fees?

Na.. don't answer - I can't be bothered with total bullshitters..

What bullshit? Everything is up front. What attitude? I mean let us look realistically at the responses to this announcement. Is this the focal point of every topic? I certainly hope not.

When you process with someone else how much are you really paying? 12%? Are you really only paying 12% or is it more? Can you say chargeback's?

When you get an adult internet merchant account how much do you have to pay to get started?

What are your monthly volume limits? If you think a $10,000 limit per month is all you need well then that's great for you. But there are many out there that need much more than that.

How about reserves, the reserves that you could be spending on more advertising for instance rather than waiting?

Can you advertise your site using the word FREE?

I understand this is new to many so why not do the math?

Do you have a bank license or e-money license?

How many end users are carrying the Webpasscard in their wallet currently?

adultwpc:

You are surely well aware of the above percentages and 15% to 17.5% is high. Chargeback percentages, least in our instance are so pathetically low - they are irrelevant. The idea of charging an extra $300 setup for each additional domain is... well, just an excuse to charge money :-) There are no real costs, unless WebPassCard has been conned elsewhere.

The value of a merchant account is vastly different - you must know the costs are much lower to operate a merchant account.

I think I understand what you are offering - frankly the setup and ongoing costs are not competitve and there is the matter of "track record". Ya gotta excuse me, but I've been around in the adult biz for decades and I've seen all this stuff before and worked thru the possibilites in our own company of what you are doing. There is *possibly* a marketable product "avoiding" cards, but I doubt this format is "it".

But good luck to ya! :thumbsup

Alex From San Diego:

I'm counting my fingers now.. :) If I "get it", part of the marketing side is brand building on the card. It needs loads more work and money stuffed into this - many millions.

Clearly this requires more than an anonymous annoucement on GFY and a full declaration of the financial backing of the Webpasscard owners.

Webby we might have different political views, but I'm with you on this.

Alex From San Diego:

Screw politics - that's for "amusement" and "debating" time!
:1orglaugh

Life has much more interesting stuff! :thumbsup

adultwpc, who are you already working with in the industry? What program already uses your solution?

Sure brand building is relevant to all businesses. When someone wants to join a site or buy a product, having a WebPassCard before they click that button is not a requirement. The consumer gets their WebPassCard automatically when they subscribe or buy. If they don't validate the WebPassCard after the purchase is made they cannot use that card for another purchase. They would then have to repeat the process again if the site accepts WebPassCard which is basically the same as filling out any other form to pay using a credit card.

I think I already addressed this earlier?

he's being chatty katty, but it sounds like a big scam :2 cents:

Exactly.


After all this, no reference for a guy in the biz since '96.

Sorry, not into swamping peoples email boxes with a bunch emails. I hope you can appreciate that?

Hey I got an idea! The next time you setup a business phone somewhere you can ask your phone company for references to be sure you have someone to call after it's setup!

Not to sound like an ass, but I can't appreciate that.

I think the question is pretty simple. What have you done since 96?

Lets be real dude! What would be a satisfactory answer? You want to know how many websites I've run? You want to know how much money I've made? You want to know every person since 1996 that I've done business with? I'm not going to tell you man, period. I've announced a great company that's beneficial to the adult webmaster at large. Welcome!

I do enjoy this back and forth thing. It's quite fun sometimes. Thank you :)

adultwpc:

Am I missing something? Who are the owners and what is their background and what funding is supporting this? Who is adultwpc in real life and what have you done in the adult biz since 1996? Ya gotta give folks "some" confidence :-)

As a clue, assuming for a moment the "backing" is fine, it sounds like ya need to support this a lot more - and get out and have "chats" with the adult biz press (AVN blah) and link up with known names (the kind who cultivate publicity and become "gurus" or "trusted"*s*) and get some recommendations.

There has, I'm sure you know, been a string of "processors" coming and going and leaving people in the shit with all their rebilling screwed. After a time this kinda annoys webmasters and creates a "barrier" which Webpasscard will have to break thru. This is not going to happen quickly and it going to cost one hell of a lot of money to launch.

I don't know where you are planning to go with this concept - but it "appears" that card branding may be "necessary" (or is it?) and that may be the failing mainly due to the cost. VISA had some backing when they did this :winkwink:

Could you answer my pervious two questions please?

1. Could you give us all a little background about yourself and what you have been doing the last couple of years? Who have you worked for? Who have you been processing? What is your chargeback history?

2. Do you have a bank or e-money license?

adultwpc:

Believe me.. this is not a "back and forth" thing.

I does not matter a toss if you have not been an "acheiver" and made some mark on this biz and what sites you may have operated. Business, especially this biz, sinks and rises like a corpse - ya roll with the flow.

I "think" all that is being asked is who you can give as a reference and "broadly" ... well.. who the fuck are you? :winkwink:

And, no.. there is no reason to tell the world what you had for breakfast :-)

I don't want to know how many websites you have run or I really don't care how much money you have made or make. How about what is your history in the adult industry? You be real.

The mere fact that you are avoiding or dancing around the subject tells me, yes, you have maybe been around the adult industry since 96 but jerking off to porn since 96 doesn't count and I am to assume that you probably started within the last 3-6 months unless you can tell us otherwise with projects or something someone here might be familiar with.

Alex From San Diego:

Damn... I thought I was "net qualifed". All these rules ya make! :winkwink:

Gotta go - will call back later!:thumbsup

Thanks guy and gals. It's been interesting and I appreciate all the feedback. Keep an eye out for us. And remember the word assume. Maybe some will remember what good ol' Benny Hill would say: If you assume, you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me"

See you out there :thumbsup

aka "goes straight into my pocket" fee.

adultwpc:

I "assume" you are not going to state your credientials and "assume" you are not even willing to provide a contact reference?

If this "assumption" is correct - we can "assume" there is a small problem. :winkwink:

:thumbsup

Do you agree that use of this service may reduce conversion ratios?

If Joe the surfer wants to buy a membership to a $2.99 trial membership, he wants to do just that...

he doesnt want to get an account with webpasscard, fill it up with $50, pay for porn... etc

Well, I was really hoping to get my questions answered. I guess, that won't happen though.

adultwpc you have said nothing in this thread that makes me feel confortable about dealing with you. All you have done is side step important questions regarding references.