I've been seeing threads all day long about..

[jact]

The "NEW 2257 REGULATIONS" and oh my god, we need to comply immediately and the sky is falling..

Did everyone miss the big [Proposed Rules] or the SUMMARY: This proposed rule amends the record-keeping and inspection
requirements of 28 CFR part 75 to bring the regulations up to date with
current law, part?

I'm seriously put off by one content provider who's going around starting the majority of these threads to strongarm business for themselves, you should be ashamed of yourself Paul. If it happens, it happens, if it doesn't, it doesn't, don't try to use your bloody scare tactics to drum up your business.

This industry amazes me sometimes, are there ANY professionals left?

[alexg]

drama?

[XxXotic]

Originally posted by alexg
drama?

no, just jackass paul trying to scrounge up more business by acting like he has a fucking clue

[alexg]

Originally posted by XxXotic
no, just jackass paul trying to scrounge up more business by acting like he has a fucking clue

oh

















drama?

[Napolean]

Originally posted by jact

This industry amazes me sometimes, are there ANY professionals left?

im a professional

[XxXotic]

Originally posted by Napolean
im a professional

we wont say professional what though

[Napolean]

Originally posted by XxXotic
we wont say professional what though

we also wont mention your my #1 client

[MaDalton]

my customers know that I provide all papers that are necessary. including id and passport shots. i don't need to run around and tell everybody.

[XxXotic]

Originally posted by Napolean
we also wont mention your my #1 client

doh

[StuartD]

The sky really is falling... I saw it.

Either that or I was just falling backwards out of my chair.

[Not Working]

I dont think that jumping down Paul's throat is the right approach here. He isnt trying to drum up any business by doing this. He is trying to get your collective heads out of the sand. This is an important issue. If Paul wasnt doing this, most would not know that this is even happening. BTW, he isnt the only one trying to make webmasters aware of what might be coming down this pike. Did you also notice that there was an address to which you can comment on these proposed changes?

Did you comment to the webmasters telling to respond to Ass hahaha by telling him that these changes might not be needed?

No, you didnt. So get off Pauls back and try to do something to better our community.

[jact]

Originally posted by numbersguy
I dont think that jumping down Paul's throat is the right approach here. He isnt trying to drum up any business by doing this. He is trying to get your collective heads out of the sand. This is an important issue. If Paul wasnt doing this, most would not know that this is even happening. BTW, he isnt the only one trying to make webmasters aware of what might be coming down this pike. Did you also notice that there was an address to which you can comment on these proposed changes?

Did you comment to the webmasters telling to respond to Ass hahaha by telling him that these changes might not be needed?

No, you didnt. So get off Pauls back and try to do something to better our community.

Paul didn't once say that these were proposed, he said people had best get caught up with the new law, there's a big difference between keeping people informed and giving them misinformation, especially when you can personally gain from it.

While you sit there and blast me for not telling webmasters that they can comment on it, you ignore the fact that neither did Paul? Get off your high horse and stop kissing Paul's ass.

[XxXotic]

Originally posted by MaskedMan
The sky really is falling... I saw it.

Either that or I was just falling backwards out of my chair.

if you were falling, wouldnt the sky be ascending relative to your descent?? So technically the sky wouldnt really be falling if you were....

[Napolean]

Originally posted by XxXotic
if you were falling, wouldnt the sky be ascending relative to your descent?? So technically the sky wouldnt really be falling if you were....

he was falling up.. stupid

[MaDalton]

Originally posted by XxXotic
if you were falling, wouldnt the sky be ascending relative to your descent?? So technically the sky wouldnt really be falling if you were....

[AaronM]

Originally posted by jact
The "NEW 2257 REGULATIONS" and oh my god, we need to comply immediately and the sky is falling..

Did everyone miss the big [Proposed Rules] or the SUMMARY: This proposed rule amends the record-keeping and inspection
requirements of 28 CFR part 75 to bring the regulations up to date with
current law, part?

I'm seriously put off by one content provider who's going around starting the majority of these threads to strongarm business for themselves, you should be ashamed of yourself Paul. If it happens, it happens, if it doesn't, it doesn't, don't try to use your bloody scare tactics to drum up your business.

This industry amazes me sometimes, are there ANY professionals left?

Very well said and I agree 101%

[XxXotic]

Originally posted by MaDalton

it's not rocket science.. if you're falling down, anything above you which is in a fixed position would be travelling in what direction? (relative to your falling down)

this is 3rd grade shit here

[XxXotic]

Originally posted by Napolean
he was falling up.. stupid

well screw me for not having all the facts

[Napolean]

Originally posted by XxXotic
well screw me for not having all the facts

your excused this time.. everybody gets one.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by MaDalton
my customers know that I provide all papers that are necessary. including id and passport shots. i don't need to run around and tell everybody.

Perhaps....But I don't have a clue who you are. What I do know is that you do not live in the US and therefore you are not subject to US laws. I don't know if your required paperwork and releases are in English, Russian, Czech, or Marshan and if they are in English....Do each of your models understand what they are signing.

[chAos]

very well said jact .. i happen to agree with you ..

[AaronM]

Originally posted by numbersguy
I dont think that jumping down Paul's throat is the right approach here. He isnt trying to drum up any business by doing this. He is trying to get your collective heads out of the sand. This is an important issue. If Paul wasnt doing this, most would not know that this is even happening. BTW, he isnt the only one trying to make webmasters aware of what might be coming down this pike. Did you also notice that there was an address to which you can comment on these proposed changes?

Did you comment to the webmasters telling to respond to Ass hahaha by telling him that these changes might not be needed?

No, you didnt. So get off Pauls back and try to do something to better our community.

Pull your head out of your ass. Paul has been preaching his "We include all docs" speech for a long time now. He does it as a business tool...PERIOD.

There is nothing wrong with the way Paul delivers his product but the way in which he chooses to market it is what Jact is questioning here.

I've been very outspoken on 2257 issues but you don't see me using it to spam my content.....Mostly because I don't want to do business with the majority of you idiots.

[jact]

As an industry, we're very resilient and we can adapt to nearly everything that's been thrown at us. If indeed these regulations are passed, we will adapt, but until then, the sky isn't falling and the writing isn't on the wall.

I know personally, I don't want to give out unedited docs to the newly defined "secondary producers" for a $5 set, so I will discontinue non-exclusive sales. Not because I don't have docs, but because I didn't get into this business to possibly endanger a girl's safety for a $5 sale.

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by jact
As an industry, we're very resilient and we can adapt to nearly everything that's been thrown at us. If indeed these regulations are passed, we will adapt, but until then, the sky isn't falling and the writing isn't on the wall.

I know personally, I don't want to give out unedited docs to the newly defined "secondary producers" for a $5 set, so I will discontinue non-exclusive sales. Not because I don't have docs, but because I didn't get into this business to possibly endanger a girl's safety for a $5 sale.

I'm totally with you on this.. There is no way I could sleep at night knowing the danger I was putting girls in handing that shit out like candy. How many surfers stumble on content sites and buy pictures? I've heard it happen a LOT of times.. I've had girls who were stalked before too (someone they knew found their pictures, it wasn't rom docs), and it's an experience in terror unlike almost anything that you can imagine. And then to hand psychopaths everything they need to find victims? No way. I'd rather drop all non-exclusive sales then threaten the lives of girls like that.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by jact
As an industry, we're very resilient and we can adapt to nearly everything that's been thrown at us. If indeed these regulations are passed, we will adapt, but until then, the sky isn't falling and the writing isn't on the wall.

I know personally, I don't want to give out unedited docs to the newly defined "secondary producers" for a $5 set, so I will discontinue non-exclusive sales. Not because I don't have docs, but because I didn't get into this business to possibly endanger a girl's safety for a $5 sale.

First off....I hope the regulations are passed. 2257 was written pre-Internet and an updated version is long overdue. Usually people bitch about being in the dark because they feel that the current laws are not written clearly. Now people are concerned that there is a big "crack down." STFU, comply with the law, and move on with your business.

Secondly.....I feel the same way that you do which is why I stopped aggressivly pushing non-exclusive sets a long time ago. It is also why I am very picky on who I do business with. I personally know each of my ongoing exclusive clients and I fully trust them with those records.

[Not Working]

Jact, I agree with you concerning giving out personal info on models. We have always given proof of age verification on all our sets. The info concerning their address or other personal info would be blocked out.

I dont think that you should stop doing $5 sets. I dont think that the new regs should change any of our business models. As has been said, we are resilient and will adapt faster thatn Ass hahaha thinks we can.

[jact]

Originally posted by AaronM
First off....I hope the regulations are passed. 2257 was written pre-Internet and an updated version is long overdue. Usually people bitch about being in the dark because they feel that the current laws are not written clearly. Now people are concerned that there is a big "crack down." STFU, comply with the law, and move on with your business.

Secondly.....I feel the same way that you do which is why I stopped aggressivly pushing non-exclusive sets a long time ago. It is also why I am very picky on who I do business with. I personally know each of my ongoing exclusive clients and I fully trust them with those records.

Oh I completely agree, it would be good for the industry to finally have some solid definitions to follow instead of guessing what the law might mean tomorrow if enforced. I think they've broadened the scope of who can be considered a secondary producer a little far (The way I read it, it looks like a server admin can be considered one -- I may be off on this but that's how I read it anyhow), but it will be good to finally have some definitions.

People have used the argument in the past that they have to give the documents to magazines when they print, well, a magazine isn't a stranger coming in off the Internet who may or may not be what they represent, they definitely ARE a magazine and they definitely ARE accountable. With so much fraud and cheating and sketchy activity, in the non-exclusive game, you can never be quite sure who you're pushing these girls information to. I would have no problem giving unedited docs to people I knew were what they seem to be.

[jact]

Originally posted by numbersguy
Jact, I agree with you concerning giving out personal info on models. We have always given proof of age verification on all our sets. The info concerning their address or other personal info would be blocked out.

I dont think that you should stop doing $5 sets. I dont think that the new regs should change any of our business models. As has been said, we are resilient and will adapt faster thatn Ass hahaha thinks we can.

My understanding has always been that "Secondary Producers" must be given unedited documentation, which means no information blacked out. If they broaden this to include the Tom, Dick and Hairy webmaster, then I'd be seriously uncomfortable giving them this information. I already do provide blacked out documentation to those that request them, that isn't an issue, it's those black lines that give me peace of mind. Remove my ability to keep those there and I'm not feeling it anymore.

[MaDalton]

Originally posted by AaronM
Perhaps....But I don't have a clue who you are. What I do know is that you do not live in the US and therefore you are not subject to US laws. I don't know if your required paperwork and releases are in English, Russian, Czech, or Marshan and if they are in English....Do each of your models understand what they are signing.

thats right, we're not a US company and normally we can give a fuck to US laws. But our customers are US websites and this is why we take care of them though.

And most of our customers for which we do exclusive shoots provide us their own papers, which are always in english.
And we explain them to the models.

We also have scanned all model releases from the past and we always did pictures of the girls with id-card and passport.
So even our existing content is compliant to US laws.

we might be not very long in this business, but so far our customers seem to be quite satisfied with what we are doing. and I think they would have complained if we were doing shit.

[StuartD]

Bumpage cause I think this has been the most informative thread on the subject yet.

I'm looking forward to FightThePatent's work on this as well.

[lickmymonster]

[jact]

This most definitely doesn't belong on page 2.

[baddog]

Originally posted by MaskedMan
Bumpage cause I think this has been the most informative thread on the subject yet.

I'm looking forward to FightThePatent's work on this as well.

Then I will send him a link to this thread . . . ..and bump

[Mr. Marks]

Never ending drama...

[ZanyCash Larry]

2257 is extremely important, but you are right

[StuartD]

Originally posted by baddog
Then I will send him a link to this thread . . . ..and bump

He always has good, valuable and very useful insight into these things.

Bump

[AaronM]

Originally posted by MaDalton
And most of our customers for which we do exclusive shoots provide us their own papers, which are always in english.
And we explain them to the models.

Yeah...I've had some US customers try that shit with me too....Most of them don't have clue one and their paperwork was clearly not run through an attorney who had any clue either.

Glad to hear how you are doing things on your end though.

[EZRhino]

Damn 2257 regs, this is going to get complicated

[AaronM]

Originally posted by EZRhino
Damn 2257 regs, this is going to get complicated

No it's not. It's simple now...It will be simple if changed.

Hopefully it will force some of the stupid people (Most of the GFY crowd among others) out of this business.

[VirtuMike]

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