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Mr.Fiction · 06-30-2004, 10:44 PM

100 sheep who are too scared of "terrorism" to question their government.

BustIt · 06-30-2004, 10:45 PM

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how the hell is Kerry the same animal?

Yes, don't insult Bush by implying that Kerry can be raised to the same level.

dig420 · 06-30-2004, 10:46 PM

Reagan propped up the economy with short term high interest loans that killed the presidency of Bush #1.

Conservatives want to ban Howard Stern from the airwaves. They want to teach kids abstinence and ban Huck Finn. They want prayer in schools and probably before every major sporting event and at every red light. Bush hasn't created ONE job during his Presidency, he's still WAAAAY in the red on jobs. Conservatives want creationism taught in schools instead of evolution. They want to ban stem cell research.

Regarding socialistic programs, you can pay a little now or a lot later. It's cheaper and more productive to fund better education in the ghetto than it is to put them all in prison. It's cheaper to send someone to college for a year than to keep them in jail for a year. If someone can't make enough money working full-time at minimum wage to feed their family, they WILL do crime. I would. The truth is that a lot of these 'socialistic' programs are proven to work, to make a difference for the better, but that means nothing to conservatives.

I could go on and on. There is no room for socially liberal people in the Republican Party, there's no reason for a socially liberal person to be a Republican, just like there's no reason for a gay guy to be a Log Cabin Republican. They don't like you, you have no impact on the agenda of your party. It's like being in the Nazi Party and not hating jews. Who gives a fuck? You're a NAZI.

dig420 · 06-30-2004, 10:47 PM

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Yes, don't insult Bush by implying that Kerry can be raised to the same level.

George Bush isn't fit to lick John Kerry's nutsack. Why don't you tell me ONE way in which Bush is a better man than John Kerry?

dig420 · 06-30-2004, 10:48 PM

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You need to read something besides the Guardian Dig.

The 9/11 commission agrees that there is ample evidence of ties between Al-Quaeda and Saddam.

WHAT? no they fucking DON'T!! The closest they came is that AQ made overtures to Iraq and got shot down.

Just because I tried to fuck the homecoming queen and she laughed at me, that doesn't mean we had a relationship.

for just a second there, you were starting to seem like someone who might be saved, but then you fucked up.

BustIt · 06-30-2004, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by dig420
Reagan propped up the economy with short term high interest loans that killed the presidency of Bush #1.

Conservatives want to ban Howard Stern from the airwaves. They want to teach kids abstinence and ban Huck Finn. They want prayer in schools and probably before every major sporting event and at every red light. Bush hasn't created ONE job during his Presidency, he's still WAAAAY in the red on jobs. Conservatives want creationism taught in schools instead of evolution. They want to ban stem cell research.

Regarding socialistic programs, you can pay a little now or a lot later. It's cheaper and more productive to fund better education in the ghetto than it is to put them all in prison. It's cheaper to send someone to college for a year than to keep them in jail for a year. If someone can't make enough money working full-time at minimum wage to feed their family, they WILL do crime. I would. The truth is that a lot of these 'socialistic' programs are proven to work, to make a difference for the better, but that means nothing to conservatives.

I could go on and on. There is no room for socially liberal people in the Republican Party, there's no reason for a socially liberal person to be a Republican, just like there's no reason for a gay guy to be a Log Cabin Republican. They don't like you, you have no impact on the agenda of your party. It's like being in the Nazi Party and not hating jews. Who gives a fuck? You're a NAZI.

Have you ever had an original thought Dig?

You merely regurgitate Socialistic dogma from the Liberal grab bag of *feel good* nonsense.

Mr.Fiction · 06-30-2004, 10:51 PM

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WHAT? no they fucking DON'T!! The closest they came is that AQ made overtures to Iraq and got shot down.

Just because I tried to fuck the homecoming queen and she laughed at me, that doesn't mean we had a relationship.

for just a second there, you were starting to seem like someone who might be saved, but then you fucked up.

Why do you bother arguing with someone who just repeats what he is told by Rush Limbaugh?

Give up on this one. If you want to convince him, get yourself a Limbaugh mask - he'll believe everything you say without question.

BustIt · 06-30-2004, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by dig420
WHAT? no they fucking DON'T!! The closest they came is that AQ made overtures to Iraq and got shot down.

Just because I tried to fuck the homecoming queen and she laughed at me, that doesn't mean we had a relationship.

for just a second there, you were starting to seem like someone who might be saved, but then you fucked up.

You're wrong Dig man.

Read something besides the Guardian.

I see you've abandoned any attempts at reasonable discourse since you discovered on Netpond that you had no talent for it.

Resort to name-calling right?

BustIt · 06-30-2004, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
If you want to convince him, get yourself a Limbaugh mask - he'll believe everything you say without question.

As soon as he spoke I'd realize he was too stupid to be Limbaugh.

BustIt · 06-30-2004, 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Why do you bother arguing with someone who just repeats what he is told by Rush Limbaugh?

Give up on this one. If you want to convince him, get yourself a Limbaugh mask - he'll believe everything you say without question.

Fiction you haven't said shit that was worth reading or resembled anything besides *go Moore*

You're a mindless fuck.

Matt Frackas · 06-30-2004, 10:56 PM

Thats a lot of "so whats"

Matt Frackas · 06-30-2004, 11:14 PM

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On the very same day that Michael Moore's movie Fahrenheit 9/11 is released in theaters, the headline of a New York Times' article, "Iraqis, Seeking Foes of Saudis, Contacted bin Laden, File Says," undermines one of the movie's claims--Bush lied about a link between Osama bin Laden and Iraq.

This is just one of many discredited allegations and debunked conspiracy theories Moore presents as fact in his "documentary." Indeed, the movie is merely a compilation of left-wing conspiracy theories and allegations.

Moore could have mailed in this script.

The first conspiracy theory proffered is the "stolen 2000 election." Moore, who narrates the movie, recites the litany of discredited allegations made by the Democrats. What evidence is there the election was stolen? Moore says Bush's cousin, working for Fox News, made the call that Bush won the Florida election--after the other networks awarded it to Gore.

So what?

The implication is that somehow the election was influenced--because once Fox News declared Florida for Bush so did all the other networks. However, the facts are quite different. The networks declared Florida for Gore just before 8 p.m. By 2:00 a.m., November 8, Bush was projected the winner of Florida. Two hours later the election was declared too close to call.

How Moore distorts the truth here is a preview of what he does throughout the movie.

Next Moore recycles the criticism that Bush was spending too much time on vacation--an accusation made by Democrats his first few months in office. There are scenes of Bush golfing. Moore mentions that, according to the Washington Post, Bush vacationed 42% of the time during the first eight months of his presidency.

So what?

The same thing was said about Eisenhower. Besides Moore only tells the audience part of the truth. The Post article said, "Many of those days are weekends, and the Camp David stays have included working visits with foreign leaders?"

Moore's next specious allegation is about what Bush did, or did not do, the morning of September 11. When Bush is informed that the second plane crashed into the World Trade Center he is in a reading class at a Florida elementary school. Moore says disdainfully, "Not knowing what to do, with no one to tell him what to do," Bush reads a book to the kids.

So what?

Did Moore want President Bush to grab a sword and march off to combat the terrorists? Is that what FDR did when told of Pearl Harbor?

Moore plays fast and loose with these facts as well. The truth is, the first plane crashed at 8:45 a.m. Bush was notified at 9:05 a.m. about the second plane. Less than a half hour later, at 9:30 a.m., he addresses the nation saying, "Today we've had a national tragedy. Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center in an apparent terrorist attack on our country?.And now if you would join me in a moment of silence. May God bless the victims, their families, and America."

Contrast Bush's statement, twenty-five minutes after learning what happened, with Moore's bizarre comments published the next day to his website: "In just 8 months, Bush gets the whole world back to hating us again.?If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who did not vote for him! Boston, New York, D.C., and the planes' destination of California--these were places that voted against Bush! Why kill them?"

Who, in your opinion, do you feel is more mentally stable?

The next discredited conspiracy theory furnished is the "Flight of the Saudis." Moore introduces this by saying, "In the days following 9-11--when all American flights were grounded." Moore announces in a jocular voice, "Even Ricky Martin was not allowed to fly," during a sequence showing the singer wandering around an airport. Moore claims that some planes were authorized to fly Saudis around the United States.

The evidence provided this time is a photocopy of a document listing dates of birth, country of origin (all Saudi Arabia), date and port of departure, airline code, and flight numbers of numerous people. Moore states that 6 private jets and other commercial aircraft were authorized to fly Saudis September 13 and afterwards.

So what?

Saudis, Ricky Martin, and everybody else were permitted to fly chartered jets and commercial aircraft September 13. All such flights were authorized. Moore is just being slick. He gives people the impression that these were special flights when they were not.

Moore then states that the FBI never questioned the Saudis before they left the U.S., thereby proving Bush was in cahoots with them. Yet, Moore contradicts himself. Richard Clarke, who was the counter terrorism chief at the time and who appeared during the movie as an authoritative source, testified before the 9/11 Commission that he authorized the Saudis to leave the country and President Bush knew nothing about it.

Next in the conspiracy theory parade is the "war for oil" plot. The Workers World Party (WWP) has been credited for originating this one. The WWP, which worships Kim Jung Il, Stalin, and Slobodan Miloslevic, is so loony that even other Communist groups think they are insane.

Moore states that the Bush family and the Saudis have business dealings with one another. Bush also has relationships with the bin Laden family. The hijackers were Saudis too.

So what?

Using this logic, Moore should have been interrogated about the Oklahoma City incident, since both he and Timothy McVeigh are from Michigan. Now I know why Disney did not want to distribute this film. While it is more imaginative than--say--Cinderella, it lacks the charm.

Moore's conspiracy theory pageant continues with the "Unocal pipeline conspiracy." This plot states that the war in Afghanistan was not about bin Laden, it was about the Unocal Corporation profiting from building a pipeline in Afghanistan. The evidence to substantiate this is that Afghan President Hamed Karzai was once a consultant for Unocal.

So what? Better the president should be a former sheepherder?

This Unocal conspiracy dates from 1998. Although then, it was said that we were allies of the Taliban to build the pipeline. Now this same canard explains why we eliminated the Taliban. Ironically, the World Socialist Web Site's (Nov. 16, 1998, edition) alludes to this same conspiracy only they mention Clinton and Iraq.

Does Moore feel that the Workers World Party and the World Socialist Web Site are good sources of information?

This segment shows a pipeline contract being signed by President Kharzai, the impression being that this is with Unocal. What is omitted is that neither Unocal nor the U.S. was involved in this pipeline contract.

The movie is grounded upon one canard and cliché after the next. One would think there was at least one original idea of Moore's in this film.

The only thing Fahrenheit 9/11 proves is that Moore's cinematic propaganda lacks originality. He is a cheap imitation hybrid of Oliver Stone and Leni Riefenstahl.

The conspiracy cavalcade proceeds to illustrate the abuses of the Patriot Act--the legislation designed to make America like Nazi Germany. One such abuse is the infiltration of an antiwar group called Peace Fresno by the Fresno County Sheriff's office.

So what?

What this has to do with the Patriot Act is never stated. The only thing stated is that Peace Fresno is merely a group of concerned citizens.

He cites as evidence that legislation endangers civil liberties because no one in Congress read the bill. He shows one congressman who says his colleagues never read the legislation. However, Moore contradicts himself again. He also shows a congresswoman with two very specific criticisms about definitions in the Patriot Act. Obviously, she read it.

Moore's next allegation is that Congress is full of hypocrites. This is evinced by the fact that only one member of Congress has a kid in Iraq.

So what?

If this were a criterion, Abraham Lincoln should not have waged the Civil War.

Michael Moore is a snake oil salesman--Jimmy Swaggart without the fashion sense. He condemns exporting jobs, yet his website is a Canadian product. He talks about helping the common person while living in an elite Manhattan enclave.

Facts never matter to Moore or his audience. They both dwell in a paranoid parallel universe. They are emblematic of those to whom Orwell referred when (paraphrasing) he said that only an intellectual could believe such lies, any normal person knew it was not the truth.

If ignorance is truly bliss then many of those who believe the thesis of Fahrenheit 9/11 are very happy people today for having watched this film. One could tell they were buying everything Moore was selling--no tent revival crowd was more enthusiastic.

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This article has has more BS and hyperbole than a ...Michael Moore film!

You would have to boil this article down to 1-2 points per diatribe ....then work on those individual points. ...but its big time biased.

BustIt · 06-30-2004, 11:27 PM

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This article has has more BS and hyperbole than a ...Michael Moore film!

You would have to boil this article down to 1-2 points per diatribe ....then work on those individual points. ...but its big time biased.

*Biased* has taken on an awfully broad definition as these discussions have progressed.

It seems that biased merely means you have a different point of view, and that there is no objective truth?

You would need to combine that article with several others that also *critique* the film.

Here are some:
http://fahrenheit_fact.blogspot.com/
http://evilpundit.com/archives/004374.html#004318
http://www.moorelies.com/
Michael Moore Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man (new book)
http://moorelies.com/book/
http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/
http://www.mooreexposed.com/
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
http://www.hardylaw.net/mental.html (Moore's disorder)
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3760

rambler · 06-30-2004, 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by BustIt
You need to read something besides the Guardian Dig.

The 9/11 commission agrees that there is ample evidence of ties between Al-Quaeda and Saddam.

How many newsources agree with that statement besides FOX and MSNBC?

dig420 · 07-01-2004, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by BustIt
You're wrong Dig man.

Read something besides the Guardian.

I see you've abandoned any attempts at reasonable discourse since you discovered on Netpond that you had no talent for it.

Resort to name-calling right?

Bustit, I don't even know what the Guardian is. I read Salon, Slate, the NYT, Drudgereport and the LA Times every day, and sometimes I follow links out to wherever they take me.

You're just a fucking troll, an idiot. You had me fooled for a half second talking about being socially liberal but surprise surprise you're just a typical Limbaugh shit talker when you get cornered. I shouldn't have wasted my fucking time pretending you were a human being.

I should know by now; conservatives can't be reasoned with, only deported.

BobChezule · 07-01-2004, 12:13 AM

The fact of the matter is that reading those three articles does not constitute research. You're simply reading someone else's spin. If you wanted to do research, you would have to exhaust yourself sifting through footage, memos, articles and such to the tune of hundreds of hours. I read the articles, and it's clear that all the writers have a contempt for Michael Moore and his work. I can certainly understand that, he's an incredibly inflammatory filmmaker. Also, having perused a number of articles that Christopher Hitchens and Michael Isikoff have written, neither are liberals, or conservatives for that matter. They're both journalists, ripping apart those that they deem to be stupid, liars, or other unseemly things.

Being a Democrat doesn't make you a Liberal, it simply indicates your general leaning towards certain social and economic policies.

It also seems to me that sperbonzo became what he despises when assumed that all liberals were so thick headed that they wouldn't want to research all sides of a story. Shame.

dig420 · 07-01-2004, 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by BustIt
As soon as he spoke I'd realize he was too stupid to be Limbaugh.

you mean that fat fucking junkie that turned his hired help into drug dealers? That self righteous piece of shit?

The funniest thing about conservatives are the barely humans you choose for your role models.

bhutocracy · 07-01-2004, 12:15 AM

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Name calling always just kills me....

So easy to just point call names....and not have any freakin clue

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shut all the dumb ass's up out there with there heads up there big fat butts.....hahahahhahaha

christ are you even old enough to post here? get back to the fry-o-later bitch and supersize me.

dig420 · 07-01-2004, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by BobChezule
The fact of the matter is that reading those three articles does not constitute research. You're simply reading someone else's spin. If you wanted to do research, you would have to exhaust yourself sifting through footage, memos, articles and such to the tune of hundreds of hours. I read the articles, and it's clear that all the writers have a contempt for Michael Moore and his work. I can certainly understand that, he's an incredibly inflammatory filmmaker. Also, having perused a number of articles that Christopher Hitchens and Michael Isikoff have written, neither are liberals, or conservatives for that matter. They're both journalists, ripping apart those that they deem to be stupid, liars, or other unseemly things.

Being a Democrat doesn't make you a Liberal, it simply indicates your general leaning towards certain social and economic policies.

It also seems to me that sperbonzo became what he despises when assumed that all liberals were so thick headed that they wouldn't want to research all sides of a story. Shame.

Trust me, conservatives have been scouring every microsecond of that film looking for anything they can say is a lie. There isn't one in there or it would have been on the front page of the WSJ and Drudge by now.

MM is pissing in their face and there's nothing they can do about it except cry like bitches and call him anti-american. If conservatives had their way in history, we'd all still be bowing to a king. Fucking anti-american, treasonous motherfuckers.

Mr.Fiction · 07-01-2004, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by BustIt

It seems that biased merely means you have a different point of view, and that there is no objective truth?

With Bush in office, there is no such thing as objective "truth" - just ask any Republican or your hero Rush. Any lie Bush or Cheney tell is just a mistake or can be interpreted some other way or it might be true someday.

Remember, Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, and we know where they are, and Saddam is ready to use within hours once the war starts. Is that truth or a lie?

Watch this video clip of Bush and Cheney, if you aren't afraid to:

http://www.overspun.com/video/DailyShow.cheneylies.rm

What's true? What's a lie? Who knows when Bush and Cheney are talking?

dig420 · 07-01-2004, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy
christ are you even old enough to post here? get back to the fry-o-later bitch and supersize me.

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by rambler

How many newsources agree with that statement besides FOX and MSNBC?

Clinton first linked the two:
http://washingtontimes.com/national/...2921-3401r.htm

Zarqawi is also very good evidence, having received harbor there both before and after the Iraq war.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/15/bush.alqaeda/

The establishment of a democracy in that area is also very good strategically for the U.S.

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by dig420
Bustit, I don't even know what the Guardian is. I read Salon, Slate, the NYT, Drudgereport and the LA Times every day, and sometimes I follow links out to wherever they take me.

You're just a fucking troll, an idiot. You had me fooled for a half second talking about being socially liberal but surprise surprise you're just a typical Limbaugh shit talker when you get cornered. I shouldn't have wasted my fucking time pretending you were a human being.

I should know by now; conservatives can't be reasoned with, only deported.

Salon

Well, you're just a typical bleeding-heart liberal . Now that was low.

You regurgitate whatever you read from the most liberal, biased excuses for journalism that exist.

Kerry is a bleeding heart pussy, just as you are ;)

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 12:29 AM

and get rid of that fucking nasty sig before I kick your ass. It takes up too much space. And your prog is shitty.

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by dig420
you mean that fat fucking junkie that turned his hired help into drug dealers? That self righteous piece of shit?

The funniest thing about conservatives are the barely humans you choose for your role models.

Shorten your statement. You make them far longer than the thought content is worse.

and get rid of that nasty sig

Mr.Fiction · 07-01-2004, 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by BustIt
Salon

Well, you're just a typical bleeding-heart liberal . Now that was low.

Kerry is a bleeding heart pussy, just as you are ;)

You don't trust Salon but you believe everything Rush tells you. That shows exactly where you are coming from.

Kerry has personally killed communists - how many people have you killed? How many people has Bush killed personally? A pussy is someone who uses his daddies connections to get him out of fighting for his country. That's Bush, not Kerry.

Kerry has killed and almost been killed for his country - a lot more than Bush can ever claim.

Kerry is a patriot, Bush is a daddy's boy pussy who was too scared to fight in Vietnam.

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by dig420
Trust me, conservatives have been scouring every microsecond of that film looking for anything they can say is a lie. There isn't one in there or it would have been on the front page of the WSJ and Drudge by now.

MM is pissing in their face and there's nothing they can do about it except cry like bitches and call him anti-american. If conservatives had their way in history, we'd all still be bowing to a king. Fucking anti-american, treasonous motherfuckers.

Calling you an idiot is such an understatement. Michael Moore is fat slobbering anti-American piece of shit.

And you're licking his ass.

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
With Bush in office, there is no such thing as objective "truth" - just ask any Republican or your hero Rush. Any lie Bush or Cheney tell is just a mistake or can be interpreted some other way or it might be true someday.

Remember, Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, and we know where they are, and Saddam is ready to use within hours once the war starts. Is that truth or a lie?

Watch this video clip of Bush and Cheney, if you aren't afraid to:

http://www.overspun.com/video/DailyShow.cheneylies.rm

What's true? What's a lie? Who knows when Bush and Cheney are talking?

What, a clip from The Daily Show? A comedy program.

Read those articles, unless you are afraid to.

Mr.Fiction · 07-01-2004, 12:35 AM

How many tours of duty did Rush Limbaugh, Bush, and Cheney combined do in Vietnam?

Someone remind me.

I guess they don't care quite that much about America - not enough to personally risk their lives for America.

Mr.Fiction · 07-01-2004, 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by BustIt
What, a clip from The Daily Show? A comedy program.

Read those articles, unless you are afraid to.

The clips show Cheney lying. Do you disagree, or is there no such thing as objective truth?

Mr.Fiction · 07-01-2004, 12:38 AM

One more time, so you can tell us if there is any such thing as objective truth:

http://www.overspun.com/video/DailyShow.cheneylies.rm

Well?

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
You don't trust Salon but you believe everything Rush tells you. That shows exactly where you are coming from.

Kerry has personally killed communists - how many people have you killed? How many people has Bush killed personally? A pussy is someone who uses his daddies connections to get him out of fighting for his country. That's Bush, not Kerry.

Kerry has killed and almost been killed for his country - a lot more than Bush can ever claim.

Kerry is a patriot, Bush is a daddy's boy pussy who was too scared to fight in Vietnam.

I don't believe everything Rush says. I don't even listen to Rush.

I would believe him however before I would a Liberal -- since they're so blinded by Bush-hatred they can't think straight.

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
The clips show Cheney lying. Do you disagree, or is there no such thing as objective truth?

the Michael Moore film shows Moore lying.

Watch it with an open mind.

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
How many tours of duty did Rush Limbaugh, Bush, and Cheney combined do in Vietnam?

Someone remind me.

I guess they don't care quite that much about America - not enough to personally risk their lives for America.

and you're point is?

Is that all Kerry has to run on?

A man who received his purple heart from an accident? A mis-fire?

And then throws his medals over the fence of the White House?

johnbosh · 07-01-2004, 12:42 AM

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by BustIt
Shorten your statement. You make them far longer than the thought content is worse.

and get rid of that nasty sig

correction: Shorten your statements. You make them far longer than the thought content is worth.
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bhutocracy · 07-01-2004, 12:55 AM

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Zarqawi is also very good evidence, having received harbor there both before and after the Iraq war.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/15/bush.alqaeda/

The establishment of a democracy in that area is also very good strategically for the U.S.

Zarqawi is NOT good evidence.. how many times do you have to read Zarqawi "was in northern Iraq beyond Saddam's reach" before it sinks in? Iraq was "harboring" Zarqawi eh?
I guess America was harboring the 9/11 terrorists then too.
funny thing about those terrorists.. they don't really care about knocking on the door and announcing their arrival.. they just kind of take up shop.
Do you know that right now America is harboring terrorists and has terrorist training camps?

bhutocracy · 07-01-2004, 12:57 AM

it's kind of neat in that it's how you say it that counts eh?

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 12:57 AM

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Zarqawi is NOT good evidence.. how many times do you have to read Zarqawi "was in northern Iraq beyond Saddam's reach" before it sinks in? Iraq was "harboring" Zarqawi eh?
I guess America was harboring the 9/11 terrorists then too.
funny thing about those terrorists.. they don't really care about knocking on the door and announcing their arrival.. they just kind of take up shop.
Do you know that right now America is harboring terrorists and has terrorist training camps?

Yes, the fuckers are all over. So why the trouble believing they were in Iraq?

bhutocracy · 07-01-2004, 01:00 AM

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Yes, the fuckers are all over. So why the trouble believing they were in Iraq?

I believe they were in Iraq. I never said I didn't.. they're all over the goddamn place but it's no justification for launching an 80 billion dollar war (not that it was the sole justification) and it's no justification in their discovery.. We could invade practically any western country and then pull out the few terrorists we find and present it as "evidence" of collaboration with that country.

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 01:06 AM

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I believe they were in Iraq. I never said I didn't.. they're all over the goddamn place but it's no justification for launching an 80 billion dollar war (not that it was the sole justification) and it's no justification in their discovery.. We could invade practically any western country and then pull out the few terrorists we find and present it as "evidence" of collaboration with that country.

I believe that just the liberation of a people from a brutal psychopathic dictator was enough.

Whether it was perfectly executed is another question, but surely a liberal must admire that intent.

And the liberation of these people was ONE of the reasons that Bush stated.

In addition, could we take the chance that Saddam might have this WMD and sell them to terrorists?

What? Saddam is too nice a guy to do something like that?

nicchick · 07-01-2004, 01:11 AM

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Originally posted by dig420
how about we make a list of Bush lies and a list of Michael Moore lies and see which list is longest?

How about we measure the impact of those lies and see whose hurt the most people?

fucking republican asshats

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 01:11 AM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy
it's kind of neat in that it's how you say it that counts eh?

Intriguing statement???

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 01:15 AM

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Originally posted by nicchick

ah yes, but our friend Diggy is too much of an Asshat to realize that *proof* of lies takes would take more than a pseudo-doc by Moore and an article from the ultra-liberal Salon magazine.

Those are his standards of proof.

But don't encourage him to post. His sig takes up about 7 inches of the screen and just really makes the board look sloppy, just as his statements give the board that illiterate look.

nicchick · 07-01-2004, 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by dig420
WHAT? no they fucking DON'T!! The closest they came is that AQ made overtures to Iraq and got shot down.

Just because I tried to fuck the homecoming queen and she laughed at me, that doesn't mean we had a relationship.

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy
I believe they were in Iraq. I never said I didn't.. they're all over the goddamn place but it's no justification for launching an 80 billion dollar war (not that it was the sole justification) and it's no justification in their discovery.. We could invade practically any western country and then pull out the few terrorists we find and present it as "evidence" of collaboration with that country.

Yes, I know I came across some articles about the collaboration but right now the best I have is Clinton's belief state above.

BustIt · 07-01-2004, 01:25 AM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy
I believe they were in Iraq. I never said I didn't.. they're all over the goddamn place but it's no justification for launching an 80 billion dollar war (not that it was the sole justification) and it's no justification in their discovery.. We could invade practically any western country and then pull out the few terrorists we find and present it as "evidence" of collaboration with that country.

I think the point is mostly that he *knowingly* gave safe harbor to terrorists.

And don't forget the offers of money to families of suicide bombers.

Maybe not Al Qaeda, but certainly terrorists.

Theo · 07-01-2004, 01:27 AM

CIVIL WAR

let's do it

let's clean this mess

JFK · 07-01-2004, 01:33 AM

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Originally posted by smack
the fact of the matter is, that ANY side of the story is slanted. there is alot of truth to his documentaries. there are some inferences.

it bemuses me to see you conservatives getting so flustered over this movie.

perhaps we should all follow your path of the domicile sheep. herded towards the bitter gates of tyranny by politicians who take your civil liberties when you're not looking.

I like this,
perhaps we should all follow your path of the domicile sheep. herded towards the bitter gates of tyranny by politicians who take your civil liberties when you're not looking. [/B][/QUOTE]
Nice

Mishi · 07-01-2004, 03:52 AM

I vote we ban the word "sheep". Maybe then some actual debate could occur.

Oops. Sorry; forgot where I was for a moment.

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06-30-2004, 10:46 PM	#103
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	Reagan propped up the economy with short term high interest loans that killed the presidency of Bush #1. Conservatives want to ban Howard Stern from the airwaves. They want to teach kids abstinence and ban Huck Finn. They want prayer in schools and probably before every major sporting event and at every red light. Bush hasn't created ONE job during his Presidency, he's still WAAAAY in the red on jobs. Conservatives want creationism taught in schools instead of evolution. They want to ban stem cell research. Regarding socialistic programs, you can pay a little now or a lot later. It's cheaper and more productive to fund better education in the ghetto than it is to put them all in prison. It's cheaper to send someone to college for a year than to keep them in jail for a year. If someone can't make enough money working full-time at minimum wage to feed their family, they WILL do crime. I would. The truth is that a lot of these 'socialistic' programs are proven to work, to make a difference for the better, but that means nothing to conservatives. I could go on and on. There is no room for socially liberal people in the Republican Party, there's no reason for a socially liberal person to be a Republican, just like there's no reason for a gay guy to be a Log Cabin Republican. They don't like you, you have no impact on the agenda of your party. It's like being in the Nazi Party and not hating jews. Who gives a fuck? You're a NAZI.

07-01-2004, 12:13 AM	#116
BobChezule Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New York Posts: 779	The fact of the matter is that reading those three articles does not constitute research. You're simply reading someone else's spin. If you wanted to do research, you would have to exhaust yourself sifting through footage, memos, articles and such to the tune of hundreds of hours. I read the articles, and it's clear that all the writers have a contempt for Michael Moore and his work. I can certainly understand that, he's an incredibly inflammatory filmmaker. Also, having perused a number of articles that Christopher Hitchens and Michael Isikoff have written, neither are liberals, or conservatives for that matter. They're both journalists, ripping apart those that they deem to be stupid, liars, or other unseemly things. Being a Democrat doesn't make you a Liberal, it simply indicates your general leaning towards certain social and economic policies. It also seems to me that sperbonzo became what he despises when assumed that all liberals were so thick headed that they wouldn't want to research all sides of a story. Shame.

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BustIt Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 214	and get rid of that fucking nasty sig before I kick your ass. It takes up too much space. And your prog is shitty.

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07-01-2004, 01:27 AM	#148
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