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Old 06-29-2004, 11:20 AM   #1
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Fathers letter 2 his sons on Terrorist It's very long

THE WORLD SITUATION - A LETTER TO MY SONS

Dear xxx, xxxxx, xxxxx and xxx,

As your father, I believe I owe it to you to share some thoughts on the
present world situation. We have over the years discussed a lot of
important things, like going to college, jobs and so forth. But this
really takes precedence over any of those discussions. I hope this
might give you a longer term perspective that fewer and fewer of my
generation are left to speak to. To be sure you understand that this
is not politically flavored, I will tell you that since
Franklin D. Roosevelt, who led us through pre and WWII (1933 - 1945)
up to and including our present President, I have without exception,
supported our presidents on all matters of international conflict.
This would include just naming a few in addition to President Roosevelt

- WWII: President Truman - Korean War 1950;
President Kennedy - Bay of Pigs (1961); President Kennedy - Vietnam
(1961); [1] eight presidents (5 Republican &4 Democrat) during the
cold war (1945 - 1991); President Clinton's strikes on Bosnia (1995)
and on Iraq (1998).

[2] So be sure you read this as completely
non-political or otherwise you will miss the point.

Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence,
as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes
WWII). The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there
are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer
who realize what losing really means.

First, let's examine a few basics:

1. When did the threat to us start?
Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as far as the United States
is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following
attacks on us: Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to
New York 1988; First New York World Trade Center attack 1993; Dhahran,
Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996; Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy
1998; Dar es Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998; Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
New York World Trade Center 2001; Pentagon 2001. (Note that during the
period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide).
[3]
2. Why were we attacked?
Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened
during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and
Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were
no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors,
Presidents Ford or Carter.
4. Who were the attackers?
In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.
5. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%
6. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?
Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the
predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the
dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no
difference. You either went along with the administration or you were
eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for
political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (http://www.nazis.
testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm). Thus, almost the same number of Christians were
killed by the Nazis, as the 6 million holocaust Jews who were killed by them,
and we seldom heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although
Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing
anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the
world - German, Christian or any others. Same with the Muslim terrorists.
They focus the world on the US, but kill all in the way - their own people
or the Spanish, French or anyone else.. [5] The point here is that just
like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis,
no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for
us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on
doing - by their own pronouncements - killing all of us infidels. I don't
blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or
die?
6. So who are we at war with?

There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the
Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing
this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't
clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.
So with that background, now to the two major questions:
1. Can we lose this war?
2. What does losing really mean?
If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions.
We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the major
reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer to
the second question - What does losing mean? It would appear that a great
many of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads, bringing the
troops home and going on about our business, like post Vietnam. This is as
far from the truth as one can get. What losing really means is:
We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will not
subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not
just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced
an increasing series of attacks against us over the past 18 years. The plan
was clearly to terrorist attack us until we were neutered and submissive to
them.
We would of course have no future support from other nations for fear of
reprisals and for the reason that they would see we are impotent and cannot
help them.
They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be
increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't
matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from
Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told
them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do, will be
done. Spain is finished.

The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they might
see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished too, in
that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may
already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast.
See the attached article on the French condition by Tom Segel. [6]
If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will all
vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us if they
were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims, how could
anyone else? The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war and therefore
are completely committed to winning at any cost. We better know it too and
be likewise committed to winning at any cost.
Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we
recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our
thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort
to win.
So, how can we lose the war? Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the
war by imploding. That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the
enemy and their purpose and really digging in and lending full support to
the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we
continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win.
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Old 06-29-2004, 11:21 AM   #2
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and you expect anyone on gfy to actally read through all this shit?
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Old 06-29-2004, 11:22 AM   #3
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and you expect anyone on gfy to actally read through all this shit?
I believe I posted it's very **LONG** asswipe
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Old 06-29-2004, 11:23 AM   #4
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Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life
and death seriousness of this situation.

- President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.
Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between
17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does
that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war. For the
duration we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have
become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil
rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.
And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil
rights during WWII and immediately restored them after the victory and in
fact added many more since then. Do I blame President Bush or President
Clinton before him? No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain
all of our Political Correctness and all of our civil rights during this
conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply
to war. Get them out of your head.

- Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration
that it almost seems they would literally like to see us lose. I hasten to
add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they just don't
recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression
to the enemy that we are divided and weakening, it concerns our friends, and
it does great damage to our cause.

- Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and
media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war perhaps exemplifies
best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue involving the treatment
of a few Muslim prisoners of war by a small group of our military police.

These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their
own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues
and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with Saddam
Hussein. And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed
400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type
enemy fighters who recently were burning Americans and dragging their charred
corpses through the streets of Iraq. And still more recently the same type
enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources internationally,
of the beheading of an American prisoner they held. Compare this with some
of our press and politicians who for several days have thought and talked
about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners - not
burning them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not
beheading them, but "humiliating" them. Can this be for real? The politicians
and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If
this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of
the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we
are in and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can. To bring
our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes
us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned - totally oblivious to
what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can
survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean that some of
our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they
absolutely oblivious to the magnitude of the situation we are in and into
which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us for many years. Remember,
the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels.

That translates into all non-Muslims - not just in the United States,
but throughout the
world. We are the last bastion of defense.

- We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant'. That charge
is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that
we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of
all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we
can defeat anything bad in the world. We can't. If we don't recognize this,
our nation as we know it will not survive, and no other free country in the
World will survive if we are defeated. And finally, name any Muslim
countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of
thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the Press, equal rights for
anyone - let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that
have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the
World.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we
will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman
Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be
written or read.

If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take
over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the
Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little on the
established French traditions. The French will be fighting among themselves
over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them
and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external
military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct
piece by politically correct piece. And they are giving those freedoms away
to those who have shown, worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not
apply it to you or even to themselves, once they are in power. They have
universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally
killing each other over who will be the few who control the masses. Will we
ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the "peaceful Muslims"?

I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are united,
there is no way that we can lose. I believe that after the election, the
factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are
in and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking
about. Do whatever you can to preserve it.

Love, Dad
{1] By the way on Vietnam, the emotions are still so high that it is really
not possible to discuss it. However, I think President Kennedy was correct.
He felt there was a communist threat from China, Russia and North Vietnam to
take over that whole area. Also remember that we were in a 'cold war' with
Russia. I frankly think Kennedy's plan worked and kept that total communist
control out, but try telling that to anyone now. It just isn't politically
correct to say so. Historians will answer this after cool headed research,
when the people closest to it are all gone.
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Old 06-29-2004, 11:25 AM   #5
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If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we
continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win.
This would hold true if we had strong leaders we could believe in.

But we don't.
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Old 06-29-2004, 11:29 AM   #7
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This would hold true if we had strong leaders we could believe in.

But we don't.

And that statement is the problem. Bush or Kerry we are going to be fighting this war for a long time. Whoever is in office we need to stand behind and show strength...
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Old 06-29-2004, 11:54 PM   #9
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2. Why were we attacked?
Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms.
How can anyone take this letter seriously when the author displays such appalling ignorance?

Hint: The U.S. is hated because of their imperialistic need to meddle in internal affairs of foreign nations, and also for their unconditional support of Israel. There is as much freedom and wealth in western Europe and Japan as there is in America, and yet they rarely endure the wrath of Muslim extremists. Put two and two together...
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How can anyone take this letter seriously when the author displays such appalling ignorance?

Hint: The U.S. is hated because of their imperialistic need to meddle in internal affairs of foreign nations, and also for their unconditional support of Israel. There is as much freedom and wealth in western Europe and Japan as there is in America, and yet they rarely endure the wrath of Muslim extremists. Put two and two together...
True...
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How can anyone take this letter seriously when the author displays such appalling ignorance?

Hint: The U.S. is hated because of their imperialistic need to meddle in internal affairs of foreign nations, and also for their unconditional support of Israel. There is as much freedom and wealth in western Europe and Japan as there is in America, and yet they rarely endure the wrath of Muslim extremists. Put two and two together...
Exactly.. they try to be the world's cops, but break the rules themselves whenever they like.

.. and just like cops, no one likes em.
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Old 06-30-2004, 02:40 AM   #12
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You're right, it's long, I mean, it's too long.....
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