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Susan · 03-10-2001, 10:27 AM

Earlier today I received a mail from a site inviting me to sign up to its webmaster program. After taking a peek I discovered that the site has full nude pictures of girls aged 9 - 17. This is no small time operator, the site is huge and written in 3 languages.

Here is their legal statement.
Is this true ? If it is then all sites showing nudes of underage girls are legal.

I have replaced the site name with "this site" the rest is as found.

****************************************
This site does not contain any pornographic images.

For art pictures there is no age limit!

In the time honored tradition and within the laws of the United States of America
and most states and municipalities, the visual depiction and appreciation of the female form,
including the pubescent female form, has been and is legal.
this site supports the laws of the United States of America
and gladly and willingly conforms to these laws.

In supporting the laws of the United States of America, this site
vehemently opposes what is commonly referred to as "child pornography"
and legally defined by United States Code Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 110 Section 2256
as images containing "sexually explicit conduct..."

This site , in accordance with the Constitution, believes that the right to view
and appreciate nude images of minors in an artistic and aesthetic manner is guaranteed.
The validity of this is confirmed by the numerous artistic photography books of nude minors
openly available for sale throughout the United States. This site is simply offering you the
same opportunity to view aesthetically pleasing images
as the major bookstores do, just at a lower cost.

As with all art, the question of the work's artistic value is left solely to the viewer,
and as such, This site does not expect all viewers to like or even approve
of nude images of minors. This site asks only that all viewers, whatever
their personal feelings, view the images as art and respect the rights granted by the
Constitution of the United States of America.

Keyser · 03-10-2001, 10:28 AM

I'd report it if I were you.
http://www.asacp.org/reportsite.html

Gemini · 03-10-2001, 10:50 AM

And do a whois and report it to the hoster too!!

Tam · 03-10-2001, 12:23 PM

Not to damper anything here but this is also a battle I have been fighting for nearly 2 years. As long as the pics show no penetration of any kind and are not "pornographic" then they won't be able to do a damn thing.

To ME, they are promoting it in a porn site surrounding so it should be dealt with as such, but many many a time I have turned them in thinking something would be done about it and they just simply won't unless you can find some penetration in it.

I personally suggest you go find out what sponsors they are also using and turn them in to them..... they will at the very least be dealt with by them...... and it may be possible for you to contact their hosts, BUT then they have legal limitations for removing it too, but if they are using a host that is as sickened by this as you and I are then may, just maybe they will have it removed.

But as I said before, they won't remove it if it is just nudity. I know it sucks babe, but I have run into this so many times trying to get them off the net. and more than likely you are looking at the same site that has been spamming me.

Tam

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May the Force Be With YOU!!

Susan · 03-10-2001, 12:43 PM

Looks like the site is on a German dedicated server. I geuss the service company that plugs this into the net is not going to give a shit. They are using no link services counters etc so it looks like happy days for these guys at $39 a month sign up.

They claim most of the funds go towards educating and buying equipment for schools in Eastern countries. Yeah right. I can just imagine some fat stinky fucking pervert owns this site and turns up to work in a brand new merc every day while other around him starve.

NightLizard · 03-10-2001, 12:53 PM

this is just plain sick, they use a provision not intended to be abused this way. Good luck fighting them

Tam · 03-10-2001, 02:43 PM

Yeah right...... the low life people involved in this crazy shit make me so mad because they promote it in a porn setting........ and they say they are doing it for schools........ all the damn loopholes they find to promote this just sickens me but they tie the hands of people who have the authority to shut cp sites down...... It just makes me sick is all.......

If I knew what to do, you can bet your ass I'd have done it already....... but all I get is there is no penetration....... well shit...... it's still all bullshit!!!!!!!

Tam

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WebmasterCommerce!! /
May the Force Be With YOU!!

aprilkorova · 03-10-2001, 04:18 PM

Is there any porn sponsors on it? Any Porn Links? Anything at all that is considered adult entertainment, peripheally speaking?
If so you may be able to argue that although the pics themselves are legal, they are clearly setting it up as an adult orientated site. You's have to ask Tam about this, but it seems that there is a clause about using "art" pics of kids...it has to be on an artistically orientated site or a site that has NOTHING to do with porn. I'm not sure on this but Tam would probably know.

whitbis · 03-10-2001, 04:28 PM

I have not been to the site( I don't even want to know the name) but some of the loopholes that they use can be used against them. First you are correct in saying that with no penetration it is hard do do anything about it, but the law states also that there can be NO provocative or sexual poses, this includes " seductive" and explicit poses. This means any "toys" and/ or masterbation pics ARE illegal, period the end. It also means that most of the normal soft core porn poses are off limits. If you can prove any of this is going on you can get the shit bags in a world of shit. Unfortunatly I personaly wouldn't even logon to the site to find out if any of this stuff is there. It is sick, and I believe that this kind of "art" should not be allowed(even if it might seem like sensorship).

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what does not kill me only makes me stronger, thank you drive tru

Red · 03-10-2001, 04:51 PM

Susan,
If you need to get into the members section to find out if they have any sponsor banners in there, or if the pics are suggestive in any way, send me an e-mail with the URL. I have lots of hacker friends who love to bring this stuff down.

Red

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Red's Erotica
You've never had story content on your site like this before.
Original, funny, purely pornographic.

Susan · 03-10-2001, 11:59 PM

The site has no porn links and not even a sniff of explicit poses. Yes someone hacked in for me. The owners know exactly what they are doing with the law. I will not post the URL because some dummy will browse in here and start promoting it. I dont really have a problem with the 16 year olds as you can get topless here at 16 anyway. Its the girls that have not reached puberty that really upset me. Also the hundreds of sites like this http://www.pjcrew.com/ also make me mad.
American TV shows are supporting this shit - have you heard about the famous Melissa

Kat - Fast · 03-14-2001, 01:08 PM

umm....pjcrew....now, i have some of the sickest nasty mpgs available on the net (i find most of them funny - why the hell do ppl want to puke in each others mouths?!??!)
but this sort of thing disturbs me. I know they are perfectly decent and innocent pics of younguns, but why does there seem to be a bell ringing in my head why i check this site out?
I hate pjcrew already.

titmowse · 03-14-2001, 01:48 PM

There's this fucking guy that attends the university where I work. He started harrassing/stalking one of my coworkers. Apparently, he liked her because she looked so young. Anyways, she brings charges against him through the University. That was last summer. This fuck is STILL attending school and even living in the fucking dorms. He's a 37 year old man. The University can't get rid of him because his case is still pending. Meanwhile, my friend has to see this fuck on campus every day.

Here's the kicker. HE has now filed a lawsuit against the University and about 35 employees because (he claims) he can't get an on campus job because of his age!

These assholes are amazing!

I wish I could find out if he has a fucking website. I fuck him over so bad!

I hate these slippery fucks!

tit

Corpsie · 03-14-2001, 02:07 PM

CAll it "art" and it becomes legal.

What the hell is wrong with those people?
ICK!

titmowse · 03-14-2001, 02:15 PM

I'll tell ya what's wrong with em! They usually had a cruel and domineering mother that emasculated them at every opportunity. So, they grow up to be flaccid jerks who can only tolerate non-threatening females. IE: underage girls. Is that my problem? Fuck No! They know what they do is wrong no matter how many ways they try to justify it. This is why I don't own guns. I'd shoot em all! And their mean mommas too!

tit
(is pissed)

03-10-2001, 10:27 AM	#1
Susan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Amost UK central Posts: 772	CONFUSED ? Earlier today I received a mail from a site inviting me to sign up to its webmaster program. After taking a peek I discovered that the site has full nude pictures of girls aged 9 - 17. This is no small time operator, the site is huge and written in 3 languages. Here is their legal statement. Is this true ? If it is then all sites showing nudes of underage girls are legal. I have replaced the site name with "this site" the rest is as found. **************************************** This site does not contain any pornographic images. For art pictures there is no age limit! In the time honored tradition and within the laws of the United States of America and most states and municipalities, the visual depiction and appreciation of the female form, including the pubescent female form, has been and is legal. this site supports the laws of the United States of America and gladly and willingly conforms to these laws. In supporting the laws of the United States of America, this site vehemently opposes what is commonly referred to as "child pornography" and legally defined by United States Code Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 110 Section 2256 as images containing "sexually explicit conduct..." This site , in accordance with the Constitution, believes that the right to view and appreciate nude images of minors in an artistic and aesthetic manner is guaranteed. The validity of this is confirmed by the numerous artistic photography books of nude minors openly available for sale throughout the United States. This site is simply offering you the same opportunity to view aesthetically pleasing images as the major bookstores do, just at a lower cost. As with all art, the question of the work's artistic value is left solely to the viewer, and as such, This site does not expect all viewers to like or even approve of nude images of minors. This site asks only that all viewers, whatever their personal feelings, view the images as art and respect the rights granted by the Constitution of the United States of America.

03-10-2001, 10:28 AM	#2
Keyser Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 142	I'd report it if I were you. http://www.asacp.org/reportsite.html

03-10-2001, 10:50 AM	#3
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	And do a whois and report it to the hoster too!!

03-10-2001, 12:23 PM	#4
Tam Rude Bitch Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,526	Not to damper anything here but this is also a battle I have been fighting for nearly 2 years. As long as the pics show no penetration of any kind and are not "pornographic" then they won't be able to do a damn thing. To ME, they are promoting it in a porn site surrounding so it should be dealt with as such, but many many a time I have turned them in thinking something would be done about it and they just simply won't unless you can find some penetration in it. I personally suggest you go find out what sponsors they are also using and turn them in to them..... they will at the very least be dealt with by them...... and it may be possible for you to contact their hosts, BUT then they have legal limitations for removing it too, but if they are using a host that is as sickened by this as you and I are then may, just maybe they will have it removed. But as I said before, they won't remove it if it is just nudity. I know it sucks babe, but I have run into this so many times trying to get them off the net. and more than likely you are looking at the same site that has been spamming me. Tam ------------------ WebmasterCommerce!! / May the Force Be With YOU!!

03-10-2001, 12:43 PM	#5
Susan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Amost UK central Posts: 772	Looks like the site is on a German dedicated server. I geuss the service company that plugs this into the net is not going to give a shit. They are using no link services counters etc so it looks like happy days for these guys at $39 a month sign up. They claim most of the funds go towards educating and buying equipment for schools in Eastern countries. Yeah right. I can just imagine some fat stinky fucking pervert owns this site and turns up to work in a brand new merc every day while other around him starve.

03-10-2001, 12:53 PM	#6
NightLizard Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: next to my bunny Posts: 300	this is just plain sick, they use a provision not intended to be abused this way. Good luck fighting them

03-10-2001, 02:43 PM	#7
Tam Rude Bitch Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,526	Yeah right...... the low life people involved in this crazy shit make me so mad because they promote it in a porn setting........ and they say they are doing it for schools........ all the damn loopholes they find to promote this just sickens me but they tie the hands of people who have the authority to shut cp sites down...... It just makes me sick is all....... If I knew what to do, you can bet your ass I'd have done it already....... but all I get is there is no penetration....... well shit...... it's still all bullshit!!!!!!! Tam ------------------ WebmasterCommerce!! / May the Force Be With YOU!!

03-10-2001, 04:18 PM	#8
aprilkorova Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: SoCal Posts: 649	Is there any porn sponsors on it? Any Porn Links? Anything at all that is considered adult entertainment, peripheally speaking? If so you may be able to argue that although the pics themselves are legal, they are clearly setting it up as an adult orientated site. You's have to ask Tam about this, but it seems that there is a clause about using "art" pics of kids...it has to be on an artistically orientated site or a site that has NOTHING to do with porn. I'm not sure on this but Tam would probably know.

03-10-2001, 04:28 PM	#9
whitbis Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: woonsocket,RI,usa Posts: 40	I have not been to the site( I don't even want to know the name) but some of the loopholes that they use can be used against them. First you are correct in saying that with no penetration it is hard do do anything about it, but the law states also that there can be NO provocative or sexual poses, this includes " seductive" and explicit poses. This means any "toys" and/ or masterbation pics ARE illegal, period the end. It also means that most of the normal soft core porn poses are off limits. If you can prove any of this is going on you can get the shit bags in a world of shit. Unfortunatly I personaly wouldn't even logon to the site to find out if any of this stuff is there. It is sick, and I believe that this kind of "art" should not be allowed(even if it might seem like sensorship). ------------------ what does not kill me only makes me stronger, thank you drive tru

03-10-2001, 04:51 PM	#10
Red Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: nomad Posts: 518	Susan, If you need to get into the members section to find out if they have any sponsor banners in there, or if the pics are suggestive in any way, send me an e-mail with the URL. I have lots of hacker friends who love to bring this stuff down. Red ------------------ Red's Erotica You've never had story content on your site like this before. Original, funny, purely pornographic.

03-10-2001, 11:59 PM	#11
Susan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Amost UK central Posts: 772	The site has no porn links and not even a sniff of explicit poses. Yes someone hacked in for me. The owners know exactly what they are doing with the law. I will not post the URL because some dummy will browse in here and start promoting it. I dont really have a problem with the 16 year olds as you can get topless here at 16 anyway. Its the girls that have not reached puberty that really upset me. Also the hundreds of sites like this http://www.pjcrew.com/ also make me mad. American TV shows are supporting this shit - have you heard about the famous Melissa

03-14-2001, 01:08 PM	#12
Kat - Fast Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The bushes behind your house Posts: 2,303	umm....pjcrew....now, i have some of the sickest nasty mpgs available on the net (i find most of them funny - why the hell do ppl want to puke in each others mouths?!??!) but this sort of thing disturbs me. I know they are perfectly decent and innocent pics of younguns, but why does there seem to be a bell ringing in my head why i check this site out? I hate pjcrew already.

03-14-2001, 01:48 PM	#13
titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	There's this fucking guy that attends the university where I work. He started harrassing/stalking one of my coworkers. Apparently, he liked her because she looked so young. Anyways, she brings charges against him through the University. That was last summer. This fuck is STILL attending school and even living in the fucking dorms. He's a 37 year old man. The University can't get rid of him because his case is still pending. Meanwhile, my friend has to see this fuck on campus every day. Here's the kicker. HE has now filed a lawsuit against the University and about 35 employees because (he claims) he can't get an on campus job because of his age! These assholes are amazing! I wish I could find out if he has a fucking website. I fuck him over so bad! I hate these slippery fucks! tit

03-14-2001, 02:07 PM	#14
Corpsie Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: detroit, mi, usa Posts: 474	CAll it "art" and it becomes legal. What the hell is wrong with those people? ICK!

03-14-2001, 02:15 PM	#15
titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	I'll tell ya what's wrong with em! They usually had a cruel and domineering mother that emasculated them at every opportunity. So, they grow up to be flaccid jerks who can only tolerate non-threatening females. IE: underage girls. Is that my problem? Fuck No! They know what they do is wrong no matter how many ways they try to justify it. This is why I don't own guns. I'd shoot em all! And their mean mommas too! tit (is pissed)