I wonder if this is some sort of censorship now that google went public?

Where's all the anti-google conspirators? :1orglaugh

That could work too, yes. :)

Cheers,
Matt

Maybe they are not using a permanent 301 redirect and google may have issues with that and see it as dynamic or temporary?

We'll see how well their site loads if they don't respond nicer next time we talk.

Rick email me

[email protected]

Ill unban you.

I might have to sleep with some ugly chicks at the google office but just consider it a favor.

:Graucho

Googlebot gets around I see :)

I'm getting 576 linkbacks.
I'm also getting the PR0 on consumptionjunction.com & PR3 on www.consumptionjunction.com

Rick I have this same issue with google using my trademarked and copyrighted terms. Google says you ahve to take it up with each individual site owner. You can send C&D but unless ya wanna spend time and money sueing each person its pretty much pointless, even if ya get a few to take it down there are 1000 more right behind them to fill their shoes. Basically someone needs to sue google and force them to fold as they have the deep pockets and something to lose. All these people using trademark and copyright terms to inflate their ranking usually have no assets so are immune from legal action, though you could get their websites, for whatever that might be worth.
I just dont think its worth yourtime and energy to bother with it. figure out how to convert 1% better and ya make more money than all these fucking leaches anyway.

But if you set one precedent, the rest should cave without much resistance, especially if they're all doing the same type of thing which seems to be the case here.

WG

screwed that up......it's actually 175

its like trying to stop spammers

then all that will happen is the people that are very difficult to touch legally will own the searches. russians and chinese dont give a shit about US law.

So she suckered you in with that "You are the only one for me, I'll keep you on page one forever" line too? :winkwink:

She promised me a PR10. Lying slut.
WG

Sue Google? Now you got me excited.

You think you got headaches?

There are 214 Million pages using the term Men.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

Good luck.

hey well if your gonna sue people ya might as well sue people with deep pockets.

I think saying its not that big of a deal is foolish

With 450k + people searching for it (overture) and you not being on the front page, thats a shitload of traffic looking for you and finding either affiliates or scum.

Thats a whole shitload of revenue floating around.

Theres no reason why you shouldnt rank on top for a search for your own domain name. Befor even bothering with the other clowns id take my ranks back with some good ole fashioned SEO.

A question...were you on top for your own name "consumption junction" befor you fell on the google radar?

hahahahaah
joke of the day

Got a response from Google again:

Hi Rick,

Thank you for your reply. Please be advised that a PageRank score of zero does not necessarily mean that a page or site has been penalized by Google. A page may be assigned a rank of zero if Google crawls very few sites that contain links to the page in question. Additionally, pages recently added to the Google index may also show a PageRank score of zero because they have not yet been crawled by Googlebot and have not yet been ranked. A page's PageRank score may increase naturally with subsequent crawls. In the meantime, a zero PageRank score should not be a source for concern.

Regards,
The Google Team

Original Message Follows:
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From: "Rick Latona" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [#11522114] Our Site was banned and we've done nothing wrong
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:34:30 -0700

Why do we have a PR0 if we are one of the biggest sites on the entire Internet?

Rick

I don't think we have ever been on the top. We've never really had a SEO strategy. No one can spell our fucking domain, etc. We just have good old fashion fans by the millions. That said, I agree with you and we are now doing something about it.

i dont think they are paying attention to your questions

they read the first word or two

start the next one off: im rick latona bitch!

When I search for "consumption junction" I get 140,000 sites that AREN'T the real CJ, just bootleg version or people with an earthlink account with a "consumptionjunction" sub domain. :2 cents:

Rick, can you give me a ballpark figure on how much bandwidth
your site eats up on a daily basis?

I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
Luc L.

They were seeing it as duplicate content. It looks like CJ changed it and it is fine now.

Daily? Well, let me do some math. A gig a second would be 86 terabytes? In other words, your funny shit will be worthless shit without critical mass.

Steps to push Google.

1. File for trademark
2. Send letter to google for contributory infringement and
trademark dilution.
3. Settle for a $ plus high rankings.
4. Case closed.

Thanks Rick.

Looking forward to.. well, you'll see in a few weeks.

Sit down before you fall down kiddo.

Since the copy-cat sites were up long before a trademark was
issued (assuming that it ever gets issued), Rick has no case.

The only thing he can do is ask nicely, or, use the "immense"
power of his CJ servers to knock that bitch offline.

Luc L.

Absolutely bro. And I'll be more than happy to help you if you have a similar site.

I haven't read this thread but after having a quick look at your site I can say its definetly not banned and shows pr3.
Many of your so called links to you are probably configured not to pass pr.
If you want i can get you to the top of google for consumption Junction for $2000 payable only after I do it.:winkwink:

Rick I think for you to really open some eyes, you will have to move alittle bit harder and stronger. Like Lars said, you can sue 100s but there are 1000s waiting to grab that spot, and google seems to be putting you in the back-seat while others benefit off of your name. I mean common now, GOATCX is second on the list -- that's reason enough to break some fingers and make the little fuckers cry.

My advice to you is take this up with google directly, do alittle pushing while hinting legal action. When you think about it, you will pretty much have world wide media coverage if you act on this in the propper way -- that alone will be worth the time and sweat.

-Make sure you are logging those google bots, and where they are crawling.
-Setup a propper robots.txt
-do a few adwords tests

There is a lot of great advice in this thread.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

That wont help much, did you see those listings? They are allready 404d :warning

I keeping on telling you guys that GOOGLE is shining up for the IPO.... imaging if the CHRISTIAN RIGHT finds CJ in their search.

Just following the money and watch google keep on knocking down major controversial sites to the bottom.

There could be alot of reasons why this happend, its happend before..

Here are a few

1. Google updated, The sites linking to you lost some links to them and their PR went down.. Remember you need a PR4+ in order for google to pass PR and show up in backlinks.

2. Someone was spamming your site, name, etc..

3. Your entry page can also be concidered as a "doorway page" but unlikly..

Now the truth.. There are only 140,000 sites "competeing" for keyword "consumtion junction" that is not alot.. and the fact you do not come up #1 for it.. most likely means that someone was spamming your site, or you are using cloaking, or doorway pages, or some sort of unethical SEO pratice.. I would go through and make sure everything on your site is 100% legit.. and also review sites in your backlinks and make sure they are sending to the right page..

I would get rid of that adult check on your main page... SEs will not pass through to your home page with the way it is setup..


Contact me on ICQ 9724247 if you want help

not saying this is the cause because it obviously is not... but does having the age verification form stop googlebot from parsing deeper?

Rick,

Something else you might want to think about. Maybe WiredGuy or any other SEO might be able to comment on this. I am by no means an SEO, but this is just what i've seen.

I have a friend of mine who runs a very big mainstream site. Lots of traffic and a decent PR with huge searches for his domain daily.

Now, his problem was hundreds of cheaters trying to use his name to get higher rankings. His site would end up in spot 10 - 20 when people would search for his own domain due to all the cheaters. Pretty much like your situation.

He didn't want to send out tons of C&D's to all these cheaters since (as someone else even mentioned in this thread) there's tons of cheaters right behind them that will take their place. C&D's we're pointless.

So instead of sending out tons of C&D's to all those cheaters using his name to gain rankings that were listed above him, he did something else.

Anyone that was listed above him (that was obviously spamming/cheating) he would copy and "take" their pages and put them on his own domain.

He started a collection of these pages, taking tons of these cheating pages and listing them on subdomains of his main one. Some pages were placed in subdomains, while other were just in new folders, etc.

It worked for him. He's now number 1 in his spot and even more so, if you do a search for his name, the whole front page of his search is now his. So now, he thanks the cheaters for making these killer optimized pages that he would "take" from them and add to his domain.

I'm sure many will different opinions about this, but it's kind of funny when he gets emails from the cheaters all pissed off because he took their pages and added them to his own domain. When in fact, these pages were built and optimized with his name to steal traffic from him while attempting to gain rankings for his domain search.

Either way, it's just another idea to throw out in the open and let the chips fall where they may.

Good luck.

Other than some onsite SEO work, what more can really be done? He has a very large base of links, probably much more than my entire network of sites could ever have. I really get the impression something manual was done at google to CJ's domain. There is no way this many thousands of links can result in only a PR3 and ranked #10 unless there's something I'm not seeing.

WG

interesting..........

In general this would even up the odds. Assume you copy and paste someone else's site, word for word. Now you both have identical pages. Since the pages are identical, there's pretty much only two elements left in order to rank one page over another.

1) PageRank
2) Anchor Text

If you have a greater PR and/or targetting the anchor text in your links to the keywords you're going after, then you should come up on top (assuming everything else is identical).

WG

just in case you don't have this, mr Latona:

Google Inc.
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Mountain View CA 94043
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fax: (650) 618-1499

When a site is banned, the backlinks to you get deleted from their database. When the ban occurred shortly before the PR update, only few links to you were registered by the bot. This would explain why it's only 3, once google slowly crawls all the other links again, PR will rise again, but don't expect 8 at the next update, this process can be pretty slow.

You are definately not banned any more, so it should just be a matter of time to get back where you were...sux because the ban probably was an automatic one, alot of huge sites (not just adult) with many subpages and pr6+ were banned lately, many totally unjustified...maybe some bug :BangBang:

They never said I was banned and I'm not sure that I was.

Sue 1000 or so webmasters in 100 countries... ah ok


Your best bet is to encourage webmasters to join your program, achieve good positions for "consumption junction" and related terms and send that traffic YOUR way - where it belongs. This way you'll end up on top on all engines in the long term, and stay there even with changing search engine algorithms

The reason MANY SEO send their SE traffic to random, unrelated sites is they don't have the patience to target the audience of their doorways manually, or not the skills to do it automatically

I agree that sending "Consumption Junction" traffic to somewhere should not "be tops with you" but...

Right now you sound as if it'd make no difference to you whether the traffic in question is sent to YOU or someone else. Meaning that you just may sue someone who is sending CJ search engine queries to CJ.

I for one DO send SE traffic to sites (not yours) using i.e. the site names and have yet to get a single complaint from the program owners

The whole "it's my name/trademark so I must be #1 in google" approach just ain't fly with google. It is not going to happen. It may happen through the algorithm but not through "demanding" it. And you stand no chance in court against google in such a case - and very understandably so. From the point of view of a SE someone looking for "Microsoft something blabla" isn't necessarily looking for microsoft.com. And so on


I think recently there was a porn starlet on here complaining that someone "stole" or whatever "her" positions and her name in google. I am not sure whether the webmaster in question sent that traffic to a) a unrelated site or b) her "original" site or c) to a site featuring her - with legit content that she got paid for.

I don't see anything legally or morally wrong with sending "Pornstar Jamie Fuckme" search engine queries to the "original Jamie Fuckme site" or - if such site does a) not exist or b) has no affiliate program - to a general Porn Stars site that has content of Jamie Fuckme

I am fully aware that many think they can just sue away everyone in front of them in google and then magically end up on top.

I am just pointing out that this is not only wrong but also stupid on many levels.



Carry on...

I'm no SEO guru, but the Google database entry that has the domain name with no "snippet" of text matches this explanation. Generally, the "no snippet" sites in Google are sites that the Googlebot has found, but not crawled yet.

Obviously that's silly for CJ, unless: Googlebot came by one day and tried to crawl the site. Got confused, got lost, for whatever odd reason could not crawl. Site got treated as offline and removed from database. But of course with a million links incoming, it immediately got added back in, in the plain snippetless version. I'm guessing the snippet will be back soon, probably page rank also.

Also, Google has been "throttling" page rank for new sites -- it seems to grow slowly sometimes. If Google is confused and thinks CJ is new, it may take awhile before it "grows" back to PR8.

This seems like the most feasible, cheap, LEGAL, and effective way to fuck them over.

All the links I have seen are not passing pr.Without looking too far but i did check yahoo and google and I cant see many hardlinks that would give him better pr than 3.the fact that he rates no#1 for consumptionjuction (one word) tell me he is not penalised.If he wants to pay me 4400 per month I will get him pr6 and no#1 for consumption junction

I'll do it for $4k/mn :)
WG

This is a good deal. He knows his shit and what would you lose?

:thumbsup