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Fabuleux 06-23-2004 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by jade_dragon
I challange anyone to produce the mathematical equation to show the trajectory needed to push a mass through our atmosphere, through space, get it close enough to the moon to launch a lander, have that lander land, then take off again, hook back up with the shuttle and then rocket back to earth TODAY in 2004 LET ALONE back when the original "happened".

Our own president even said that he will try to land on the moon next year. TRY? why do you have to try, if you did it back then and there have been so many advances why can't it be done now?

To add insult to injury a privately owned craft just flew into space for pennies on the dollar of NASA budget, who as we are told is mostly privately funded now! HAHA come on people!

the earth revolves and rotates, as does the moon, not on an eliptical course. when the rockets boost there is not a hell of a lot of correction being done, not when you look at it as a ratio. Gravity is going to fight the ship and pull on it till the force of the upward movement brings it out of the range of earth's gravitational pull. IE IT IS NOT GOING STRAIGHT UP, IT IS REVOLVING AND ROTATING AS IT DOES UP. At the same time you have a dot out in space that is moving around it in the same weeble wobble type motion. You have a window from which to launch from houston or florida to get everything to link up. Ask anyone on the salt flats of bonnaville how far off from the proposed end point you will get if you turn the wheel of your car even 1* at 150mph and if you need a second opinion ask the guy who just got back from space what happened when their guidance apparatus messed up, I believe he said 20 miles off course.

My point is the ship is massive and it is going fast, the mathematics to figure out how to get the shit i said in the beginning to happen is PAST rocket science, it was science fantasy plain and simple. Even today the math involved in getting a massive space craft being thrusted that fast to correct itself due to wind shifts and gravitational divergence is still the same. As long as you are using solid or liguid fuel with limited thrusting capablities, on a ship that is not highly manuverable with a human pilot who needs air and has limited ability to stay in space IT JUST DON'T ADD UP. You are talking about math that needs to be percise down to the .0000001 the world is full of things that would cause a differance that small.

But go ahead prove me wrong, show us the math.

Simpel question. There are no satellites? Without you couldn't have seen the war in Iraq live. There circle in a 0.000001mm precise orbit. First satillite was broadcasting data 4th october of 1957.
A launch from the moon costs far less energy then a launch from earth, there is no atmosphere and gravity is 7 times lower.

Peacemaker 06-23-2004 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by MrJackMeHoff
They just slow down the frame rate for that.
right..
just double the speed and it looks like they are driving on a dune / desert

Peacemaker 06-23-2004 04:19 AM

and this is not a panorama pictures.. but whats wrong here with the shadows and the different light sources?

http://users.erols.com/igoddard/shadow04.jpg

Fabuleux 06-23-2004 04:19 AM

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Originally posted by MrJackMeHoff
Notice the "posed" tire tracks!? Like the lunar lander can turn like that eh?


http://batesmotel.8m.com/nasa9.gif

Turn, drive backwards, drive forward. Next question please.

Fabuleux 06-23-2004 04:21 AM

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Originally posted by Peacemaker
right..
just double the speed and it looks like they are driving on a dune / desert

Try to jump that high with a suite that heavy. :2 cents:

Peacemaker 06-23-2004 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by Fabuleux
Try to jump that high with a suite that heavy. :2 cents:
did you ever wear that suite they used? i didnt, did you? no, how do you know its not only plastic
:)
:2 cents:

xxxbruce 06-23-2004 04:22 AM

you guess is as good as mine
:eek7

dodint 06-23-2004 04:28 AM

http://www.moontruth.com/clips/moontruth.mpg

:glugglug

Peacemaker 06-23-2004 04:34 AM

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary...11_40_5903.jpg

and something is so wrong in this pic.. look at the light source and the shadows.. :)

Fabuleux 06-23-2004 04:41 AM

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Originally posted by Peacemaker
and something is so wrong in this pic.. look at the light source and the shadows.. :)
Shadows look ok, but I agree with the light source. Give me a sec on that one haha.

Peacemaker 06-23-2004 04:43 AM

no no.. look at the helmet.. you see the light source there, (sun), but how can the shadow go towards the sun? thats.. erhm. not possible.. also remember they didnt have flashlight

More Booze 06-23-2004 04:44 AM

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Originally posted by Fabuleux
Shadows look ok, but I agree with the light source. Give me a sec on that one haha.
He just got a flashlight up his ass :winkwink:

Fabuleux 06-23-2004 04:52 AM

Although this is a funny conversation, you all should check this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_...ax_accusations

Peacemaker 06-23-2004 04:57 AM

quote from the above page:
"Shadows on the Moon are complicated because there are several light sources; the Sun, Earth and the Moon itself"

yeah right.. the light source of the earth is brighter than the one from the sun..
so much blabla on that page ;)

Fabuleux 06-23-2004 04:58 AM

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Originally posted by Peacemaker
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary...11_40_5903.jpg

and something is so wrong in this pic.. look at the light source and the shadows.. :)

http://www.clavius.org/manmoon.html

Peacemaker 06-23-2004 05:04 AM

http://users.erols.com/igoddard/shadow04.jpg

!
:)

Peacemaker 06-23-2004 05:05 AM

same
http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonh...hadowphoto.jpg

Fabuleux 06-23-2004 05:10 AM

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Originally posted by Peacemaker
same
http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonh...hadowphoto.jpg

http://www.clavius.org/a11rear.html

Peacemaker 06-23-2004 05:13 AM

what about that?
:)
http://www.braeunig.us/space/pics/photo12.jpg

Fabuleux 06-23-2004 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by Peacemaker
what about that?
:)
http://www.braeunig.us/space/pics/photo12.jpg

You don't give up do you? :)
I don't know what that is.

tdp-Cool-content 06-23-2004 05:16 AM

If the moon landing is not true, ther must bee at least a 100 people that know about it.. how can they keep ther mouth shoot 4 so longe?

Peacemaker 06-23-2004 05:21 AM

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Originally posted by Fabuleux
You don't give up do you? :)
I don't know what that is.

no, i dont give up ;)

arcording to nasa, they made 2 videos at DIFFERENT location at a different time. but as you see, its the same location.

you should watch the "Fox TV and the Apollo Moon Hoax" "Did We Land on the Moon?" to understand better :)

Peacemaker 06-23-2004 05:24 AM

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Originally posted by tdp-Cool-content
If the moon landing is not true, ther must bee at least a 100 people that know about it.. how can they keep ther mouth shoot 4 so longe?
why 100 people? just some need to be involved.. (the "actors")..

quote: "10 astronauts died "under mysterious circumstances" during Apollo".... stronaut deaths: Ed Givens (car accident), Ted Freeman (T-38 crash), C. C. Williams (T-38 accident), Elliot See and Charlie Bassett (T-38 accident), Gus Grissom, Ed White, and Roger Chaffee (Apollo 1 fire). .. etc.

tdp-Cool-content 06-23-2004 05:32 AM

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Originally posted by Peacemaker
why 100 people? just some need to be involved.. (the "actors")..

quote: "10 astronauts died "under mysterious circumstances" during Apollo".... stronaut deaths: Ed Givens (car accident), Ted Freeman (T-38 crash), C. C. Williams (T-38 accident), Elliot See and Charlie Bassett (T-38 accident), Gus Grissom, Ed White, and Roger Chaffee (Apollo 1 fire). .. etc.

now that's some spooky shit....

MrJackMeHoff 06-23-2004 05:34 AM

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Originally posted by Fabuleux
Try to jump that high with a suite that heavy. :2 cents:
Dude its a fake suit prolly weighs nothing you fucking retard geez.

Peacemaker 06-23-2004 05:35 AM

Fabuleux: i ll come back later, need to go.. nice discussion ;)

KRL 06-23-2004 05:36 AM

I wouldn't put it past our government to have faked the moon landings. But there were several of them if you recall, and with that many people involved it'd be tough to keep that big of a farse secret.

MrJackMeHoff 06-23-2004 05:42 AM

Please disregard the fucking retard comment I lost my mind there. Sorry.

MrJackMeHoff 06-23-2004 05:43 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
I wouldn't put it past our government to have faked the moon landings. But there were several of them if you recall, and with that many people involved it'd be tough to keep that big of a farse secret.
Theres alot of people who havn't kept it secret but since the the gob'ment said its true its "true".

StuartD 06-23-2004 06:25 AM

All of that stuff is suspect.... highly.

Here's the one thing that's always baffled me...

I borrowed this image, now... all the obvious things aside, look under the lander. This lander uses 25000 pounds of thrust under that thing... let's say while landing that it uses only a fraction of that even. Well, on a surface that is nothing but loose and very dry dirt.... uhmm.... would it really look that nice and tidy? Wouldn't there be a bit of a crater or something????

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/goodphoto.gif

StuartD 06-23-2004 06:29 AM

oh yeah, forgot to answer the question.

It's my opinion, based on my own observations, plus as everyone else has said... the fact that nasa, it seems, hasn't been able to put anyone on the moon since... that the last lunar landing has actually yet to happen.

I believe, with 99% assuradness, that there has been no lunar landing yet.

Global Dialers 06-23-2004 10:49 AM

so whats the consensus we were duped or not?

KRL 06-23-2004 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by Global Dialers
so whats the consensus we were duped or not?
That's like asking the question "Who really killed Kennedy?"

We're never going to know the truth.

jade_dragon 06-23-2004 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by Fabuleux
Simpel question. There are no satellites? Without you couldn't have seen the war in Iraq live. There circle in a 0.000001mm precise orbit. First satillite was broadcasting data 4th october of 1957.
A launch from the moon costs far less energy then a launch from earth, there is no atmosphere and gravity is 7 times lower.

getting something into orbit is not the problem, all you have to do for there is get past the atmosphere and the gravitational pull will allow it to stay in orbit. This is why we have the moon. The problem is getting it all to line up, from here to the moon orbit, shuttle to lander, lander to moon, lander to shuttle, shuttle to earth. Sorry to many limiting reagants such as the efficiency of the fuel, the mass of the vehicles you are talking about, and the limitations of the pilots life support systems.


The space suits are said to be kinda heavy but i can not remember the exact weight, i guess if you took the weight of the suit, did some math to figure out how much force the astranauts could produce by jumping in it and took into account the lower gravity you could tell if the jump height was correct.......

jade_dragon 06-23-2004 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Fabuleux
The fastest airplaine ever build is the Lockheed Martin SR-71A Blackbird and it's first flight was in 1965. Don't think we didn't have the knowlegde back then.

By the way, I study Flight and airospace technology :Graucho

actually the maiden flight was 1959 it started regular recon in 64......:Graucho

GotGauge 06-23-2004 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by dodint
http://www.moontruth.com/clips/moontruth.mpg

:glugglug

OMG!

STiNKyMeAT 06-23-2004 01:39 PM

So.. Why dont we get one of our fancy telescopes, zoom in on the moon and look for that flag we supposedly left there?.... Problem solved.

MrJackMeHoff 06-23-2004 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by STiNKyMeAT
So.. Why dont we get one of our fancy telescopes, zoom in on the moon and look for that flag we supposedly left there?.... Problem solved.

We've already tried and no on has ever found evidence we were there. Including the fact we supposedly left the botton of the lander and a fucking car!

hydro 06-27-2004 12:44 AM

it wouldnt suprise me if it was faked.

venturi 06-27-2004 01:14 AM

Form your own opinions based upon facts... http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html


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