Do You Think Its Good or Bad To Be Ruthless In This Biz? - GoFuckYourself.com

KRL · 06-19-2004, 03:49 PM

I think its good to be ruthless most of the time.

cjnet · 06-19-2004, 03:52 PM

Depends on who you're dealing with at the time I think.

BradM · 06-19-2004, 03:54 PM

You have to be a little to an extent... but I think relationships are WAY more powerful in this biz.

chemicaleyes · 06-19-2004, 03:55 PM

Depends on Who, What & Where.

slapass · 06-19-2004, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
I think its good to be ruthless most of the time.

I am surprised to see this. I like to get the best deal I can but you have to leave some meat on the bone.

KidCock · 06-19-2004, 03:55 PM

I think if you are small, you're not in any position to be ruthless as you need to build, network and grow.,

If you are medium or large, it pays to be ruthless as it will make you reach the top or help staying there.

ArikaAmes · 06-19-2004, 03:56 PM

Coming from a sensitive girl's side, I think some people are just plain mean sometimes. But it is important to stand your ground to whoever. Being ruthless is at times very neccessary. I agree with the above that with some people you have to be.

SykkBoy · 06-19-2004, 03:57 PM

It depends upon who you are dealing with

if they are making you money? no
if they are costing you money? then, fuck 'em

KRL · 06-19-2004, 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by slapass
I am surprised to see this. I like to get the best deal I can but you have to leave some meat on the bone.

Maybe I should clarify it. I'm not saying being ruthless to the point where you're harming someone, but for example if you see an opportunity do you take it and keep it all to yourself or tell others in the biz about it?

Sly_RJ · 06-19-2004, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
Maybe I should clarify it. I'm not saying being ruthless to the point where you're harming someone, but for example if you see an opportunity do you take it and keep it all to yourself or tell others in the biz about it?

I only tell others if it can help me make more money.

69pornlinks · 06-19-2004, 04:20 PM

ruthless in any biz, that's if you plan to succedd, and No ruthless doesn't mean a dirty scoumbag...so it's good to be ruthless

SomeCreep · 06-19-2004, 04:58 PM

Ruthless. However, unlike someone like Bill Gates, I still have morals and business ethics I am compelled by.

lilj · 06-19-2004, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by BradM
You have to be a little to an extent... but I think relationships are WAY more powerful in this biz.

100% true

SleazyDream · 06-19-2004, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
Maybe I should clarify it. I'm not saying being ruthless to the point where you're harming someone, but for example if you see an opportunity do you take it and keep it all to yourself or tell others in the biz about it?

there's a difference between being RUTHLESS and just being smart

69pornlinks · 06-19-2004, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by SomeCreep
Ruthless. However, unlike someone like Bill Gates, I still have morals and business ethics I am compelled by.

what bill do that's so wrong? all successful business people have walked that fine line.....name one pure ethical success business person.

The Other Sweetie · 06-19-2004, 05:08 PM

You can be ruthless without being a prick. Personally for me, it's a happy medium. I'm a... well, a sweetie, but not so much that anyone dare think of shitting on me and getting away with it.

It's all about getting done what needs to be done without being a dickhead but at the same time without getting stepped on.

The Dawg · 06-19-2004, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by KidCock
I think if you are small, you're not in any position to be ruthless as you need to build, network and grow.

What he said

SomeCreep · 06-19-2004, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by 69pornlinks
what bill do that's so wrong? all successful business people have walked that fine line.....name one pure ethical success business person.

Wrong illegally? Nothing.

Bill Gates has no business ethics or morals. He steals ideas that are working for smaller companies and then uses the size and power of his company to take over and push all other companies out of the market.

Classic example, IE Vs. Netscape.

Shoplifter · 06-19-2004, 05:17 PM

Define ruthless...If you mean cheating then no. If you mean just being prudent with business (like Bill Gates) then yes.

DamageX · 06-19-2004, 05:34 PM

If being ruthless means being a fucking asshole and treating people like shit most of the time, then yes. However, you can still be ruthless and be nice to people, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

06-19-2004, 05:35 PM

Relationships Relationships Relationships...

I honestly hate doing business with ruthless assholes

pornstar2pac · 06-19-2004, 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
I think its good to be ruthless most of the time.

true.

wall st. don't give a fuck about person issues or problem. bottom line is $$$$

Matt 26z · 06-19-2004, 05:52 PM

It's hard to argue against anything that results in a better product for the consumers of an industry.

The only downside to this is the potential ruthlessness surrounding the idea. Quite simply, where did it originate? Today's innovation by the little guy is probably tomorrows "big announcement" from the well-funded big player.

DamageX · 06-19-2004, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by pornstar2pac
true.

wall st. don't give a fuck about person issues or problem. bottom line is $$$$

Agreed. But the money is in people's bank accounts. Treat them like shit and that's where it will stay. ;)

warlock5 · 06-19-2004, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by SomeCreep
Wrong illegally? Nothing.

Bill Gates has no business ethics or morals. He steals ideas that are working for smaller companies and then uses the size and power of his company to take over and push all other companies out of the market.

Classic example, IE Vs. Netscape.

I believe what actually happened was that Microsoft signed a contract with the people who developed Mosaic which said that they'd receive revenue from each sale of Internet Explorer. (Do Help--> About Internet Explorer and you'll see) As we all know, Microsoft gave IE away for free.

From a business perspective, first I wouldn't blame Bill Gates directly. He successfully implemented some awesome ideas and hit the bank. If any of us were in his shoes we would want the best people working for our company too. Second, I don't see Microsoft as immortal by any stretch. I started using Mosaic. I used Netscape when IE was shit. Then IE got better than Netscape. And now I use Firefox and wouldn't dream of going back to IE. If Microsoft can give me a better product, I'll use it. If not, fuck them. And yes, I think you can learn a lot from M$.

latinasojourn · 06-20-2004, 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
Maybe I should clarify it. I'm not saying being ruthless to the point where you're harming someone, but for example if you see an opportunity do you take it and keep it all to yourself or tell others in the biz about it?

if you have a different approach to doing business and you know all the pieces of the puzzle yourself you should not teach others your modus operandi, that is not good business.

but it is good karma to help others in ways that do not hurt your own enterprise.

Kimmykim · 06-20-2004, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
Maybe I should clarify it. I'm not saying being ruthless to the point where you're harming someone, but for example if you see an opportunity do you take it and keep it all to yourself or tell others in the biz about it?

You're not talking about ruthless by the pure definition here KRL -- you're talking about ambition, greed, and smart business. Nothing wrong with those.

Ruthless would be listening to someone tell you about an idea, telling them you were going to work on it with them, and then cutting them out of the deal as it was just about to take off.

If you've got an idea and you see it through to profitability then that's not ruthless.

SomeCreep · 06-20-2004, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Ruthless would be listening to someone tell you about an idea, telling them you were going to work on it with them, and then cutting them out of the deal as it was just about to take off.

Yep, Bill Gates did that to both Apple and 3Com.

69pornlinks · 06-20-2004, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by SomeCreep
Wrong illegally? Nothing.

Bill Gates has no business ethics or morals. He steals ideas that are working for smaller companies and then uses the size and power of his company to take over and push all other companies out of the market.

Classic example, IE Vs. Netscape.

i see nothing wrong with that, it's all about using something to your advantage...i mean he did buy netscape, and made them millionaries, right? what he did was being ruthless and i'm sure more than 95% of business people would have done the same

edit-isn't there something called a confidently agreement?

goBigtime · 06-20-2004, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
Maybe I should clarify it. I'm not saying being ruthless to the point where you're harming someone, but for example if you see an opportunity do you take it and keep it all to yourself or tell others in the biz about it?

Alot of us can't do everything we think of...

So analyze and prioritize the better ideas of yours that you may actually do yourself sometime in your lifetime & and set the others aside for people who look up to you and ask you what they could do.... people who you think might actually be able to make something of them.

If the run with one of your ideas and do well, you could have a new powerful resource and friend for life.

But definitely keep your best ideas that you see yourself doing in the future close to your chest.

Anyway, that's my

strobi · 06-20-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
Maybe I should clarify it. I'm not saying being ruthless to the point where you're harming someone, but for example if you see an opportunity do you take it and keep it all to yourself or tell others in the biz about it?

In this biz? I would say keep it to yourself. Outside? Hell no.. spread the news

SomeCreep · 06-20-2004, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by 69pornlinks
i mean he did buy netscape, and made them millionaries, right? what he did was being ruthless and i'm sure more than 95% of business people would have done the same

heh, Netscape was once the fastest growing company in US history. I believe they grossed something like 100 million their first or second year.

Once Microsoft realized this, they destroyed them by giving away IE for free.

BlueQuartz · 06-20-2004, 04:38 PM

you must do what you think is right Luke

Diligent · 06-20-2004, 04:58 PM

I've noticed that those who complain the loudest about another party's
ruthlessness, or "foul play", are often just fishing for others ideas etc. ...

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BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	You have to be a little to an extent... but I think relationships are WAY more powerful in this biz.

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KidCock So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Pedro, Costa Rica Posts: 788	I think if you are small, you're not in any position to be ruthless as you need to build, network and grow., If you are medium or large, it pays to be ruthless as it will make you reach the top or help staying there.

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ArikaAmes Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,081	Coming from a sensitive girl's side, I think some people are just plain mean sometimes. But it is important to stand your ground to whoever. Being ruthless is at times very neccessary. I agree with the above that with some people you have to be.

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The Other Sweetie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: East Coast Posts: 453	You can be ruthless without being a prick. Personally for me, it's a happy medium. I'm a... well, a sweetie, but not so much that anyone dare think of shitting on me and getting away with it. It's all about getting done what needs to be done without being a dickhead but at the same time without getting stepped on.

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Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,726	Define ruthless...If you mean cheating then no. If you mean just being prudent with business (like Bill Gates) then yes.

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DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	If being ruthless means being a fucking asshole and treating people like shit most of the time, then yes. However, you can still be ruthless and be nice to people, the two aren't mutually exclusive. __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	Relationships Relationships Relationships... I honestly hate doing business with ruthless assholes

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Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	It's hard to argue against anything that results in a better product for the consumers of an industry. The only downside to this is the potential ruthlessness surrounding the idea. Quite simply, where did it originate? Today's innovation by the little guy is probably tomorrows "big announcement" from the well-funded big player. Last edited by Matt 26z; 06-19-2004 at 05:54 PM..

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BlueQuartz Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 1,971	you must do what you think is right Luke

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Diligent Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hoy Suecia, mañana Nirvana Posts: 1,594	I've noticed that those who complain the loudest about another party's ruthlessness, or "foul play", are often just fishing for others ideas etc. ... __________________ ~¤~ MORE MONEY ~¤~ VOD? XoD! ~¤~ ~¤~ ICQ# 9828 2461 ~¤~