Question: Gallery TGP Skim - Why can't people actually get the galleries they click? - GoFuckYourself.com

ForrestBlack · 06-16-2004, 01:31 AM

I've been poking around a lot of Gallery TGPs and so called fake TGPs lately and I've noticed that an aweful lot of people have their skim turned up so high that I can't ever get to the cool gallery that should go with the cool thumb I clicked on. I've been routed through twelve levels of partner TGPs just following the same thumbnail and NEVER actually getting to the matching gallery. To be honest, as a producer of original content, I'm not really sure I'm totally comfortable with people using our promotional tools to simply boost their traffic trade numbers without really sending a reasonable percentage of love our way. It seems to me that the surfer wanted to see that gallery, not a string of totally unrelated partner TGPs. It seems like that couldn't really be good for sales anyway.

What are your thoughts?

ForrestBlack-

kush · 06-16-2004, 01:35 AM

I think seeing traffic numbers gets new TGP owners harder than seeing numbers on the checks...

grumpy · 06-16-2004, 01:38 AM

welcome to the world of cj.

Jakke PNG · 06-16-2004, 01:40 AM

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Originally posted by ForrestBlack

What are your thoughts?

I think people want to have big sites quickly.

ForrestBlack · 06-16-2004, 01:42 AM

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Originally posted by grumpy
welcome to the world of cj.

I'm used to a little skim, but lately I've seen a lot of Thumb TGPs where MOST if not ALL of the thumbs redirect. That seems kinda flawed to me.

Forrest Black-

the Shemp · 06-16-2004, 02:02 AM

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Originally posted by ForrestBlack
I'm used to a little skim, but lately I've seen a lot of Thumb TGPs where MOST if not ALL of the thumbs redirect. That seems kinda flawed to me.

Forrest Black-

ya but you get to brag about how much traffic you have then....

AmeliaG · 06-16-2004, 04:40 AM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
ya but you get to brag about how much traffic you have then....

maybe someone experienced should tell the baby TGPs that bragging don't put gas in the tank

michel · 06-16-2004, 04:44 AM

Try thehun

escorpio · 06-16-2004, 04:48 AM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
ya but you get to brag about how much traffic you have then....

because you don't understand the difference between worthless impressions and real traffic...

AmeliaG · 06-16-2004, 04:51 AM

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Originally posted by michel
Try thehun

thehun has always been awesome to us over at Spooky Cash

But you kinda invented the TGP thing, so you don't have to stoop to the levels some people seem to think they do.

Much love and respect to you

ForrestBlack · 06-16-2004, 05:01 AM

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Originally posted by michel
Try thehun

The folks that know what they are doing, well, they know what they are doing. The larger established sites don't pull that sort of thing. It's just something I've noticed with a lot of the newer thumb sites, particularly the 'fake' thumb TGPs. The larger programs put hosted galleries and such out there as promotional tools for partners to use for fairly simple sales, but some people seem to abuse that content just to pump up their traffic trade stats. If a site were using a major sponsor's banner to sent clicks to a site that didn't belong to that sponsor, it would be a big problem, but I guess some folks think it's perfectly ok to use that sponsor's content to send the click to someone else instead. Sure, some skim might be acceptable, but if there is slim to no chance a sponsor will see any traffic from a thumb they provided as a sales tool, somehow that seems a little odd. But mostly, I just wanted to see what other folks thought about it.

Oh, and I also wanted to mention that it's not like a big SpookyCash issue, it really is just something I've noticed a lot lately. I click on something cool I want to see, and lately odds are good that I won't get to see it.

badmrfrosty · 06-16-2004, 12:59 PM

I'll never skim because to me it seems dishonest, surfers know if you're fucking them.

BMF

devilspost · 06-16-2004, 01:24 PM

I bought a 400 dollar program to handle trades and turned it off yesterday.

1. scamers signup to to take my good SE traffic and hit them with some dialer or trojan software.

2. Nobody can send enough real clicks back to make it worth it to jack my traffic around.

3. I dont know wtf i am doing

cherrylula · 06-16-2004, 01:30 PM

Yeah it totally annoys me when that happens. If I click a thumb why can't I see the gallery? From a surfer's perspective, fuck that. That is the exact reason why that traffic is garbage.

And I swear the last two tgp's I clicked on from this board my homepage was hijacked within 2-3 clicks and I was infected with spyware.

Fletch XXX · 06-16-2004, 01:30 PM

i agree.

ive clicked my own galleries over and over on some tgps that have snagged my links from lets say Shemp or PK, and it will be my thumb I cropped but exactly, I have to click it 10 times to even hit the gallery.

sucks but what can you do.

fair use covers thumbs so technically no own owns thumbs anyway.

sucks all around though.

sites like shemp spend quality time getting good galleries and sites come along and spider the links and simply skim you 90% using your own thumb.

Tom_PMs · 06-16-2004, 01:34 PM

I've actually considered marketing a script/program to bypass the skim-trade scripts.. but I know the backlash would kill me

Course I might be rich.. hmmm... dead.. or rich.. hmmm....

Basic_man · 06-16-2004, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by kush
I think seeing traffic numbers gets new TGP owners harder than seeing numbers on the checks...

yeah right

PowerCum · 06-16-2004, 02:11 PM

I usually don't skim on my sites. I have found that this makes me way more money than skimming like crazy.
I only skim when I start new sites and want to make them grow, and in that case I usually skim very low (near 75% or more to galleries). After all the surfer comes to see porn and signup for my sponsor. If I jerk him to my trade he could signup there, so I lose that money. Skimming is a good idea and I love the whole traffic trading idea, but I remember about a year or two ago there was always a gold rule on almost all TGPs (No less than 60% to galleries). Now this rule appears to be gone. A 10% to galleries and 90% to trades site is just a CJ site witouh a popup, so it burns bandwidth like crazy, has 200k visitors per day and makes 2 sales per day if there is any luck. I doubt on a thumb TGP those sales even give enough to pay the hosting bill. This is probably because lots of people think that $500 per month is a complete success. I personally think that $500 per month is just the hosting bill (at least my bill), so after these $500 there must be at least $750 more to make it rentable as a part time job and fun. Of course I don't look at how much traffic I have, I prefer to look at the hits to my sponsors. A surfer is productive if he buys on your site.

Now all of you will jump on my head with a question like "If you promote a trade script in your sig why are you posting this here?". Well, it's not a problem in the script or the idea, the problem is how do you use it. The tech is there, the tools are there, the dicision on how to use them is yours. You can make bank with less traffic and less skim to your trades or you can make nothing with only skim to your trades and nothing to real content.

ForrestBlack · 06-16-2004, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by PowerCum
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Now all of you will jump on my head with a question like "If you promote a trade script in your sig why are you posting this here?".

I certainly agree with your perspective, and like I said, I'm use to a little skim. To me, the trade scripts are great for some stuff, and I actually do click on things like the 'hard' links to other similar TGPs. Having scripts to keep track of trades like that makes all the sense in the world. So, no, I'm not jumping on your head at all. Pretty much any promotional tool in this business can be overused by some folks, and that leads to problems.

PrivateIvy · 06-16-2004, 05:09 PM

I really hate that...I'm not a tgp webmaster, so I don't understand the logic behind it, but when I see partners of my sites that run tgps , go to their site and click a thumb of my own or from one of the other sites I run, it really seems kinda shitty to me that my image goes to something other than my gallery.

So I click just to see how many clicks before it goes to my gallery...sometimes 8 or more

I don't understand the logic to this.....someones copyrighted image , licensed to you to promote their site and is being used to promote another tgp?

Ivy

ForrestBlack · 06-16-2004, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by cherrylula
Yeah it totally annoys me when that happens. If I click a thumb why can't I see the gallery? From a surfer's perspective, fuck that. That is the exact reason why that traffic is garbage.

And I swear the last two tgp's I clicked on from this board my homepage was hijacked within 2-3 clicks and I was infected with spyware.

I am so there with you on that. I have to have like nine different spyware killers, just because I've been looking around TGPs. It's like they are handing out plague blankets at the strip club.

AmeliaG · 06-16-2004, 07:22 PM

Okay disclaimer first: I'm not an intellectual property attorney, but my father is, so . . .

As I understand it certain use of other people's intellectual property is considered fair use. For example, if High Society did a write-up on Blue Blood, they could use a couple of full size photos from the magazine to illustrate the page in their magazine and that would be considered fair use. If some random AVS site scanned a few pix out of the magazine and resold them with no journalistic intent, then that is not considered fair use.

Thumbs are, as I understand it, considered fair use for linking to larger pictures/galleries/pages from another site when the site with the thumbs could perhaps not fall under fair use provisions in order to show the larger picture.

However, using a thumb of a photo belonging to someone else to link to something totally unrelated is not legally fair use. But I can't see anyone enforcing that, so it is more an issue of what the industry feels are appropriate standards for level of skim.

escorpio · 06-16-2004, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
ya but you get to brag about how much traffic you have then....

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Originally posted by escorpio
[because you don't understand the difference between worthless impressions and real traffic...

...and then we see you crying on the board about how you can't make any money off your 50k TGP.

escorpio · 06-16-2004, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by badmrfrosty
I'll never skim because to me it seems dishonest, surfers know if you're fucking them.

BMF

...and they never come back. Who would bookmark a 70% skim site? I want the gallery described, not another TGP!

06-16-2004, 01:31 AM	#1
ForrestBlack Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: West Hollywood Posts: 227	Question: Gallery TGP Skim - Why can't people actually get the galleries they click? I've been poking around a lot of Gallery TGPs and so called fake TGPs lately and I've noticed that an aweful lot of people have their skim turned up so high that I can't ever get to the cool gallery that should go with the cool thumb I clicked on. I've been routed through twelve levels of partner TGPs just following the same thumbnail and NEVER actually getting to the matching gallery. To be honest, as a producer of original content, I'm not really sure I'm totally comfortable with people using our promotional tools to simply boost their traffic trade numbers without really sending a reasonable percentage of love our way. It seems to me that the surfer wanted to see that gallery, not a string of totally unrelated partner TGPs. It seems like that couldn't really be good for sales anyway. What are your thoughts? ForrestBlack- __________________ SpookyCash: Original Alt/Gothic/Punk Niche Leaders

06-16-2004, 01:38 AM	#3
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06-16-2004, 01:24 PM	#13
devilspost Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tampa yomebe -at- hotmail Posts: 3,980	I bought a 400 dollar program to handle trades and turned it off yesterday. 1. scamers signup to to take my good SE traffic and hit them with some dialer or trojan software. 2. Nobody can send enough real clicks back to make it worth it to jack my traffic around. 3. I dont know wtf i am doing __________________ Brothels and Escorts Worldwide.

06-16-2004, 01:30 PM	#15
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	i agree. ive clicked my own galleries over and over on some tgps that have snagged my links from lets say Shemp or PK, and it will be my thumb I cropped but exactly, I have to click it 10 times to even hit the gallery. sucks but what can you do. fair use covers thumbs so technically no own owns thumbs anyway. sucks all around though. sites like shemp spend quality time getting good galleries and sites come along and spider the links and simply skim you 90% using your own thumb. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

06-16-2004, 02:11 PM	#18
PowerCum CjOverkill Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Woldwide Posts: 1,328	I usually don't skim on my sites. I have found that this makes me way more money than skimming like crazy. I only skim when I start new sites and want to make them grow, and in that case I usually skim very low (near 75% or more to galleries). After all the surfer comes to see porn and signup for my sponsor. If I jerk him to my trade he could signup there, so I lose that money. Skimming is a good idea and I love the whole traffic trading idea, but I remember about a year or two ago there was always a gold rule on almost all TGPs (No less than 60% to galleries). Now this rule appears to be gone. A 10% to galleries and 90% to trades site is just a CJ site witouh a popup, so it burns bandwidth like crazy, has 200k visitors per day and makes 2 sales per day if there is any luck. I doubt on a thumb TGP those sales even give enough to pay the hosting bill. This is probably because lots of people think that $500 per month is a complete success. I personally think that $500 per month is just the hosting bill (at least my bill), so after these $500 there must be at least $750 more to make it rentable as a part time job and fun. Of course I don't look at how much traffic I have, I prefer to look at the hits to my sponsors. A surfer is productive if he buys on your site. Now all of you will jump on my head with a question like "If you promote a trade script in your sig why are you posting this here?". Well, it's not a problem in the script or the idea, the problem is how do you use it. The tech is there, the tools are there, the dicision on how to use them is yours. You can make bank with less traffic and less skim to your trades or you can make nothing with only skim to your trades and nothing to real content. __________________ CjOverkill Traffic Trading Script Free, secure and fast traffic trading script. Get your copy now

06-16-2004, 01:35 AM	#2
kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	I think seeing traffic numbers gets new TGP owners harder than seeing numbers on the checks...

06-16-2004, 04:44 AM	#8
michel TheHun's Yellow Pages! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,420	Try thehun

06-16-2004, 12:59 PM	#12
badmrfrosty Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 500	I'll never skim because to me it seems dishonest, surfers know if you're fucking them. BMF

06-16-2004, 01:30 PM	#14
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	Yeah it totally annoys me when that happens. If I click a thumb why can't I see the gallery? From a surfer's perspective, fuck that. That is the exact reason why that traffic is garbage. And I swear the last two tgp's I clicked on from this board my homepage was hijacked within 2-3 clicks and I was infected with spyware.

06-16-2004, 01:34 PM	#16
Tom_PMs Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,049	I've actually considered marketing a script/program to bypass the skim-trade scripts.. but I know the backlash would kill me Course I might be rich.. hmmm... dead.. or rich.. hmmm....

06-16-2004, 05:09 PM	#20
PrivateIvy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,257	I really hate that...I'm not a tgp webmaster, so I don't understand the logic behind it, but when I see partners of my sites that run tgps , go to their site and click a thumb of my own or from one of the other sites I run, it really seems kinda shitty to me that my image goes to something other than my gallery. So I click just to see how many clicks before it goes to my gallery...sometimes 8 or more I don't understand the logic to this.....someones copyrighted image , licensed to you to promote their site and is being used to promote another tgp? Ivy Last edited by PrivateIvy; 06-16-2004 at 05:10 PM..

06-16-2004, 07:22 PM	#22
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,568	Okay disclaimer first: I'm not an intellectual property attorney, but my father is, so . . . As I understand it certain use of other people's intellectual property is considered fair use. For example, if High Society did a write-up on Blue Blood, they could use a couple of full size photos from the magazine to illustrate the page in their magazine and that would be considered fair use. If some random AVS site scanned a few pix out of the magazine and resold them with no journalistic intent, then that is not considered fair use. Thumbs are, as I understand it, considered fair use for linking to larger pictures/galleries/pages from another site when the site with the thumbs could perhaps not fall under fair use provisions in order to show the larger picture. However, using a thumb of a photo belonging to someone else to link to something totally unrelated is not legally fair use. But I can't see anyone enforcing that, so it is more an issue of what the industry feels are appropriate standards for level of skim. __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio