TGP question - GoFuckYourself.com

bryc · 06-14-2004, 01:15 PM

I'm looking to start a tgp to learn more about traffic trading and things of that nature...

Can you recommend an inexpensive script that will control both the thumbs and trades?

Also, is there a free version of the ucj script out there somewhere? I seem to remember there being one and I wanted to try it out on a seperate text tgp.

Thanks

sneakydialer · 06-14-2004, 01:22 PM

You can post on AWI and try to win a copy of UCJ

David! · 06-14-2004, 01:24 PM

Hit me up
I'll be more than happy to help

Saint Nick · 06-14-2004, 01:25 PM

http://www.jmbsoft.com and get Auto Gallery SQL. it's cheap. $85

I don't know much comus , madTGP, or brownie cost, but i think they're all a lot more than that.

Then you can go free trade script.

Turbo Traffic, CJUltra, Arrow Trader, etc.

I don't know of a gallery manager and traffic trading script in one.

That's what i think is the cheapest way.. not necessarily the best way.

hope that gets you started.

bryc · 06-14-2004, 01:25 PM

I should probably add that I would like to find one that I can also add hosted galleries too as well as take submissions

Doc911 · 06-14-2004, 01:33 PM

thumb tgp's are a bad idea if your in the USA

skrog · 06-14-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Doc911
thumb tgp's are a bad idea if your in the USA

Why do you think that?

NiTe-HaWk · 06-14-2004, 01:36 PM

Yeah why would you say that?

Doc911 · 06-14-2004, 01:41 PM

2257 labeling requirments if you allow the thumbs to be on your server ( ie uploading sample thumbs ) hot linking the thumbs from their server will solve this but causes broken images if their server goes down.

NiTe-HaWk · 06-14-2004, 01:53 PM

Hmm didn't really think of that. There are ton of tgps that do it though. You would just have to be the unlucky one that got in trouble for it though right?

Doc911 · 06-14-2004, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiTe-HaWk
Hmm didn't really think of that. There are ton of tgps that do it though. You would just have to be the unlucky one that got in trouble for it though right?

only takes once.....

Tom_PMs · 06-14-2004, 02:22 PM

I thought there was a ruling that sites could show sample images if it didnt profit from showing it, and without violating copyright or licensing.

Based on SE's doing it (ie: googles images)

Nysus · 06-14-2004, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom_PM
I thought there was a ruling that sites could show sample images if it didnt profit from showing it, and without violating copyright or licensing.

Based on SE's doing it (ie: googles images)

2257 has nothing to do with copyright.

Cheers,
Matt

garett · 06-14-2004, 02:32 PM

The only script that I know of that will do both TGP and traffic trading is Choker's Total Traffic System: http://www.totaltrafficsystem.com/

You should be fine to use that if you just want to learn the ropes.. but as your site grows you would definitely want to invest in something better and you might have a hard time switching your system over.

Free scripts take a percentage of your traffic as payment, and they're usually lacking a lot of important features.

Right now I'm using my own code to handle the TGP aspect of my sites.. but I'm looking at purchasing something better. I've used Auto Gallery SQL on a friend's site but it's template system isn't powerful enough to do what I need.

Comus will do what I need but it's not worth the $200 IMO. I've got the free trial (which skims 2% of your traffic) running on a test site right now. The admin interface is god aweful and it's got some major bugs. The cropping tools mess up a lot and the auto scanner doesn't see recip links on galleries for some reason (both known problems .. they're just not getting fixed because the guy who maintains it is overworked and underpaid).

The Comus guys really need a designer to come in and give the admin interface a face lift .. and someone to handle support issues so Tony can work on stabalizing the code and make it a really great script. Until then I think I'm going to keep looking for something better.

As for trade scripts, I recently invested in ATX. Right now it's $250 and it's worth every penny. The two big players, up to this point, have been TM3 and UCJ but, from what I hear, ATX really stacks up against both... and the site I've got it running on is growing extremely fast since I switched from AT Lite (the free version). You can check out ATX at http://www.arrowscripts.com

Aside from that, keep in mind that the design of your site will have the greatest impact on it's growth. If it loads too slow visitors will bounce off. If surfers don't like the content, they'll bounce off. If you concentrate on converting traffic rather than building it you won't grow much etc.

So don't get too caught up in what scripts you use. Get what you can afford and what other people say is good.. and good luck

Forkbeard · 06-15-2004, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nysus
2257 has nothing to do with copyright.

Cheers,
Matt

It also has nothing to do with a thumbnail TGP, or any other adult website, that advertises content produced and sold exclusively by other people. Producing matter that requires 2257 statements "does not include mere distribution or any other activity which does not involve hiring, contracting for managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation of the performers depicted." 18 USC 2257 Nor is a TGP owner typically "offering for sale or transfer" any material at all, any more than a newspaper "offers for sale or tranfer" the goods advertised therein.

I've never understood why the typical adult webmaster worries about 2257. Unless you produce content and/or have a paysite, the law doesn't apply to you. At all.

Doc911 · 06-15-2004, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Forkbeard
It also has nothing to do with a thumbnail TGP, or any other adult website, that advertises content produced and sold exclusively by other people. Producing matter that requires 2257 statements "does not include mere distribution or any other activity which does not involve hiring, contracting for managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation of the performers depicted." 18 USC 2257 Nor is a TGP owner typically "offering for sale or transfer" any material at all, any more than a newspaper "offers for sale or tranfer" the goods advertised therein.

I've never understood why the typical adult webmaster worries about 2257. Unless you produce content and/or have a paysite, the law doesn't apply to you. At all.

anytime you "Publish" an image or media that involves contact with the genitals you must provide information on who to contact for the model release and identification of the models. Thats the 2257 labling requirements.

heres a sample gallery that meets those requirements.
http://www.knealandbob.com/0614/

Check any adult magazine any adult video they all have 2257 contact information. You can't "publish" the thumb legally without giving the custodian of records name and address.

Think about this. You have a thumb TGP and someone posts a gallery. They upload an image to "your" server and you list it.

Next day the FBI shows up with a warrant. They see the picture on "your" server. They see the file on "your" harddrive. they say the girl is underage. Its up to "you" to prove its not. And if you don't have the 2257 information your ass is in jail.<--period

Babaganoosh · 06-15-2004, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doc911
anytime you "Publish" an image or media that involves contact with the genitals you must provide information on who to contact for the model release and identification of the models. Thats the 2257 labling requirements.

heres a sample gallery that meets those requirements.
http://www.knealandbob.com/0614/

Check any adult magazine any adult video they all have 2257 contact information. You can't "publish" the thumb legally without giving the custodian of records name and address.

Think about this. You have a thumb TGP and someone posts a gallery. They upload an image to "your" server and you list it.

Next day the FBI shows up with a warrant. They see the picture on "your" server. They see the file on "your" harddrive. they say the girl is underage. Its up to "you" to prove its not. And if you don't have the 2257 information your ass is in jail.<--period

*DING DING DING*

We have a winner.

Tom_PMs · 06-15-2004, 10:36 AM

So can someone post an example of what a thumb TGP and gallery builder needs to do?

My understanding was that the gallery maker/license holder can post (distribute) the images on his/her website, PROVIDED that they display 2257 record keeping info.

And that the thumb tgp can use a thumb image since the ruling said it did not violate the copyright/licensing of the image.

Tom_PMs · 06-15-2004, 10:37 AM

One more.

If google images shows a cached version of an "adult" thumb, are they in violation of 2257 record keeping laws?

bryc · 06-15-2004, 04:01 PM

Thanks for all your replies

Forkbeard · 06-15-2004, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doc911
anytime you "Publish" an image or media that involves contact with the genitals you must provide information on who to contact for the model release and identification of the models. Thats the 2257 labling requirements.

That's simply not true. Did you follow the link and read the statute? It's in nice plain english.

Forkbeard · 06-15-2004, 08:30 PM

To follow up: the statute doesn't even use the word "publish". It uses the word "produce". And it defines "produce" to exclude "mere distribution or any other activity which does not involve hiring, contracting for managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation of the performers depicted."

That's the labeling requirement for producers. There's also the prohibition on "offering for sale"any unlabelled material. Which is why a paysite owner has to have 2257 info. But it doesn't apply to third-party advertisers who aren't selling anything themselves.

06-14-2004, 01:15 PM	#1
bryc Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 102	TGP question I'm looking to start a tgp to learn more about traffic trading and things of that nature... Can you recommend an inexpensive script that will control both the thumbs and trades? Also, is there a free version of the ucj script out there somewhere? I seem to remember there being one and I wanted to try it out on a seperate text tgp. Thanks

06-14-2004, 01:22 PM	#2
sneakydialer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 49	You can post on AWI and try to win a copy of UCJ __________________ Sneaky Dialer-Great Rates. Awesome conversions.

06-14-2004, 01:24 PM	#3
David! By the wrath of Agamemnon Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Miami Posts: 6,501	Hit me up I'll be more than happy to help __________________ .

06-14-2004, 01:25 PM	#4
Saint Nick Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Pole Posts: 129	http://www.jmbsoft.com and get Auto Gallery SQL. it's cheap. $85 I don't know much comus , madTGP, or brownie cost, but i think they're all a lot more than that. Then you can go free trade script. Turbo Traffic, CJUltra, Arrow Trader, etc. I don't know of a gallery manager and traffic trading script in one. That's what i think is the cheapest way.. not necessarily the best way. hope that gets you started. __________________ Good ol Saint Nick

06-14-2004, 01:33 PM	#6
Doc911 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: If i was up your ass you'd know Posts: 3,695	thumb tgp's are a bad idea if your in the USA __________________ For PHP/MySQL scripts ICQ 161480555 or email [email protected]

06-14-2004, 01:36 PM	#8
NiTe-HaWk Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,196	Yeah why would you say that? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

06-14-2004, 01:41 PM	#9
Doc911 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: If i was up your ass you'd know Posts: 3,695	2257 labeling requirments if you allow the thumbs to be on your server ( ie uploading sample thumbs ) hot linking the thumbs from their server will solve this but causes broken images if their server goes down. __________________ For PHP/MySQL scripts ICQ 161480555 or email [email protected]

06-14-2004, 01:53 PM	#10
NiTe-HaWk Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,196	Hmm didn't really think of that. There are ton of tgps that do it though. You would just have to be the unlucky one that got in trouble for it though right? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

06-14-2004, 02:22 PM	#12
Tom_PMs Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,049	I thought there was a ruling that sites could show sample images if it didnt profit from showing it, and without violating copyright or licensing. Based on SE's doing it (ie: googles images)

06-14-2004, 02:32 PM	#14
garett Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 683	The only script that I know of that will do both TGP and traffic trading is Choker's Total Traffic System: http://www.totaltrafficsystem.com/ You should be fine to use that if you just want to learn the ropes.. but as your site grows you would definitely want to invest in something better and you might have a hard time switching your system over. Free scripts take a percentage of your traffic as payment, and they're usually lacking a lot of important features. Right now I'm using my own code to handle the TGP aspect of my sites.. but I'm looking at purchasing something better. I've used Auto Gallery SQL on a friend's site but it's template system isn't powerful enough to do what I need. Comus will do what I need but it's not worth the $200 IMO. I've got the free trial (which skims 2% of your traffic) running on a test site right now. The admin interface is god aweful and it's got some major bugs. The cropping tools mess up a lot and the auto scanner doesn't see recip links on galleries for some reason (both known problems .. they're just not getting fixed because the guy who maintains it is overworked and underpaid). The Comus guys really need a designer to come in and give the admin interface a face lift .. and someone to handle support issues so Tony can work on stabalizing the code and make it a really great script. Until then I think I'm going to keep looking for something better. As for trade scripts, I recently invested in ATX. Right now it's $250 and it's worth every penny. The two big players, up to this point, have been TM3 and UCJ but, from what I hear, ATX really stacks up against both... and the site I've got it running on is growing extremely fast since I switched from AT Lite (the free version). You can check out ATX at http://www.arrowscripts.com Aside from that, keep in mind that the design of your site will have the greatest impact on it's growth. If it loads too slow visitors will bounce off. If surfers don't like the content, they'll bounce off. If you concentrate on converting traffic rather than building it you won't grow much etc. So don't get too caught up in what scripts you use. Get what you can afford and what other people say is good.. and good luck __________________

06-15-2004, 10:36 AM	#18
Tom_PMs Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,049	So can someone post an example of what a thumb TGP and gallery builder needs to do? My understanding was that the gallery maker/license holder can post (distribute) the images on his/her website, PROVIDED that they display 2257 record keeping info. And that the thumb tgp can use a thumb image since the ruling said it did not violate the copyright/licensing of the image.

06-15-2004, 10:37 AM	#19
Tom_PMs Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,049	One more. If google images shows a cached version of an "adult" thumb, are they in violation of 2257 record keeping laws?

06-15-2004, 04:01 PM	#20
bryc Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 102	Thanks for all your replies

06-15-2004, 08:30 PM	#22
Forkbeard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I Roam Around Posts: 2,236	To follow up: the statute doesn't even use the word "publish". It uses the word "produce". And it defines "produce" to exclude "mere distribution or any other activity which does not involve hiring, contracting for managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation of the performers depicted." That's the labeling requirement for producers. There's also the prohibition on "offering for sale"any unlabelled material. Which is why a paysite owner has to have 2257 info. But it doesn't apply to third-party advertisers who aren't selling anything themselves. __________________ Offering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.