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cause that is what I said you fucking retard

Jace

how about this...

everyone that is so concerned, one of you must have a nice chunk of change or collectively have a nice bit of money saved up....

how about a group of people set up a fake company, with some cheesy fake sites.....then call on mansion to set up their affiliate program for them, all the while NEVER revealing your true identities.....let them set it completely up...and then see for yourself if there is a shaving option in there?
all this could not take more than 1 month to set up....

i am sure there are 10-20 people that would chip in on this and make it dirt cheap for all involved, i would even be willing to chip in come cash for this. and it would put everyone at ease

i doubt this will happen though, cause you all are all fucking talk and no action, you will be quick to slander or shout insults, but no one will even step up to the plate and prove their accusations.

and besides, even if a group of people did this, there would be 10 doubters that would carry the torch of doubt

and let me make something clear, I DO NOT PROMOTE SHAVING OR CHEATING....which some of you twist my words around to make it sound like I do....but I have never seen proof that mpa2 has a shave module....the only thing I have seen is people throwing bullshit out, with nothing to back them up....

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Just to confirm that I did see it as well as many other people. Someone on the first page mentioned if 'we' wanted to see screencaps. Oystein's statement that MPA3 does not and will not ever shave does not imply that MPA*whatevernumber* never did. Although there are systems to shave - hits/joins/rebills - this is 'pre-built', was optional but not removable and was marketed as one of the 'best features' (at launch).

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notjoe

Shove it up your ass idiot.

Why should people have to spend 15-20K to find his information out? Shouldnt the company be responsible enough to prove it?

Lets flip this bullshit around... Why do they not protect affiliates/prove their software is shave free by taking over liability should any affiliate get shaved by a sponsor running their software and have proof of it?

Their software is compiled. the chances of someone adding a shave feature wouldnt be possible unless they allowed it. If they're not willing to put up the cash...well, you take that however you want.

eroswebmaster

I saw it myself...you can call me a liar..you can call it defamation whatever you want..but something tells me Oystein and MPA won't be challenging people in court on this.

I don't know anything about MPA3...not claiming I do. I just know what I saw in MPA2.

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Jace

I would love to see and know whether it was something that was added in or if it was actually in the release, but from what people say, it was in the release.....

jaymus

If you people truly think that just because allegedly mpa, map2 or mpa3 have a built in shave feature that no one else has that you are complete fools.
Have you ever seen admim stats inside a program? Are you aware that anyone can have this option built into their stats? Use your head people.

nufsaid

Here is the icq log from when we first started talking to Garry about buying MPApoo. ( I know thats childish but shit don't fit)

On Fri, May 24, 2002, 1:13 am, mick said :
ok I'll have a look, can you send me an email when I can see the updated area.

Conversation between mick and GARRY
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On Fri, May 24, 2002, 1:14 am, GARRY said :
what you dont see in the admin area is for ex

Conversation between mick and GARRY
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On Fri, May 24, 2002, 1:14 am, GARRY said :
you can choose if you want to show the webmaster all the signups and uniques that he is sending.

Conversation between mick and GARRY
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On Fri, May 24, 2002, 1:14 am, GARRY said :
thats called shaving

Conversation between mick and GARRY
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On Fri, May 24, 2002, 1:14 am, GARRY said :
you can set that in percent

Conversation between mick and GARRY
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On Fri, May 24, 2002, 1:15 am, GARRY said :
you can also run an report that shows you witch webmasters have a higher charge back ration then ??? so you can keep a track of who you should email to tell them to shapen up

For those that don't know, Garry is the boss at Mansion, well thats what he told me.

Yes other systems use shaving......... MPA3?

If it looks like shit, smells like shit, then it must be MPApoo.

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Nathan

It depends highly on the features the program has how easy it would be to add such a feature. The more features, the harder it gets. At some point, it gets virtually impossible for anyone to add it without access to the full source of the app.

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DamageX

This isn't the issue of the debate. We're discussing why MPAx provided program owners with an easy option to fuck over their affiliates and whether MPA3 still has this feature. And we're bashing Mansion Productions over it.

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talk about nats tell us if it has a shave feature, how easy can one be added? im sure many are curious

doesnt mean i dont know the answer but tell us.

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It does not have a shave feature, and it never will.

There is a full demo at http://natsdemo.toomuchmedia.com/ ... it is updated to the current release regularly so our future customers can always see a most up to date version.

How easy it is to add a shave feature to NATS? You would basically have to totally rewrite your own stats interface, webmaster referral, payment system and payout admin. Basically 30% of the program. And all that without letting anyone notice that they use their own stats. Also, when we update our client's systems, we would keep overwriting that part of their system with our newest version, which would add an additional level of difficulty. They might of course use different filenames, but then you still have access to the old ones and can just bypass their shaving system.

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I'm tired of hearing this weak argument.

Other people stealing doesnt give you the right to steal.

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I'm Johnny V.

A lot of you know who I am, some of you do not. You will almost never see me on the boards, as I find it is not always the best place to engage in positive and business forward discussions. Having said that I do realize the value of it's ability to approach the mass members of our Industry / community, and for that I am impressed and thankful. We as a group should be proud of ourselves for pushing the envelope of technology, and communication, and it would be my strongest recommendation that we use opportunities like this to strengthen our position, and our place in the Internet community.

It was great to see everyone at the San Diego show.

A little bit on Clicktruth.

Clicktruth was developed by The Porn Posse, to assist Webmasters to be sure that they are getting credit for every sign up they send. It has a secondary purpose, yet no less important, for sponsorship programs to be able to "prove" that they do not shave. As a lot of you know, the simple accusation that you shave can have drastic effects on your credibility, and therefore on the number of webmasters sending to your program, and then therefore to your bottom line. Clicktruth was developed to bring a certain level of honesty and integrity to a very lucrative and important element of our Industry / Community.

How it works: Obviously I am not going to give away the secrect sauce here, but the truth is the recepie is quite simple. We use the combination of the post back data from the processors, the referring webmasters hit count, and the number of sign-ups that are credited, and by interpreting that data, make a determination as to whether the sponsorship program paid the webmaster for each sign up. We also preform random audits of each program that we work with, and send test joins through the system to be sure that the sponsorship program counts every hit. That's it. It really means nothing if I own a program and tell you I do not shave. Everyone will tell you they do not shave. It means nothing if I tell you my program is great and converts well; everyone will tell you that their program is great and converts well. The Porn Posse, and Clicktruth, was developed to act as a true third party, without positive or negative impact on any program. We charge everyone the same amount. We do not have a program. We do not critique others intentions. We are here to say what our conclusions are, what we have seen over time to be true, and nothing else.

Without telling you every element of our system, that is how we work.

We are not in the business of slamming anyone. We have a list of webmasters that we keep that have proven to us over time that their systems are clean, and it is these webmasters that we recommend. If your sponsorship program is not on that list, or the place you send your traffic to is not on that list, it does not mean that they shave. I will repeat, we recommend programs that we "know" do not shave, and encourage referring webmasters to send their traffic there.

We do not make money from the sign ups. We have a flat rate that we are paid by every sponsorship program in our network. We do not have favorites, and we charge everyone the same amount of money. It takes a very short amount of time, usually about 1 day to implement our scripts, and we have found, that with the assistance of the sponsorship program, we can be extremely accurate as to who does and does not shave.

(Please disregard what is posted up on our sites, at both Clicktruth.com, and Pornposse.com We are creating new sites now, updating our lists, and adding the several new members that have been added since March / April. I am horrible about updating that site, I realize it is a neccesity, but i simply have several very positive programs to bring you all shortly that have taken all my time Bear with me).

I will leave you with this.

I am not going to sit on the board and defend this program, debate it, scream and yell, or be called a good guy, or an asshole, which ever you prefer. I will not do that, because to be perfectly candid, I have no patience or tolerance for it. Those of you who think I'm an ass, I doubt if you knew me you would think that way, or if you met me would say it to my face. Having said that, I am more than happy to meet with any of you, or speak to any of you on the phone or in an e-mail. I will leave you my information at the end of this post.

I would like to take a minute and assume a defensive position for just a moment however.

Oystein is a friend of mine. He has proven himself to be a good friend to me over time, and there is nothing more valuable to me than that. I am unfamiliar with MPA 2. I was asked to add my software to the offering of MPA 3 and I was, (and am) happy to do it. Say what you will about anyone in this space....Oystein is a good friend, and a good Man.

There are several good people in this space, I am proud to say that several of them are my friends. We should stick together, all of us as an Industry / Community. There is a saying, (I forget who said it) " though dogs may quarrel amongst themselves, they are one against the wolf". We as an Industry / Community should be "one against the wolf". There are more people that do like us out there than do, that is no secrect, but shaving, back-stabbing, yelling at each other on these boards, and the general shit-ass non-business stuff that goes on publicly, should be taken off line.

You may call me a asshole for saying so, but that is exactly why you will not get a reply from me on this board, or on this post.


If you would like to speak to me, please send me an e-mail, at [email protected] You may also call me at 1-213-484-4224

Don't call me to rant, as you will not get the response you are looking for. I am here to assist you all, both Webmaster and Sponsor program alike. My years in this space have been good to me, and I am happy to do something that would assist us all going forward for a very long time; making money in a space that is liberal, forgiving, and free to express it self as genuinely as you all express your own thoughts and interests. An Industry by the way, that is not going anywhere for a very very long time.

Best of luck

Johnny V.

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ClickTruth is something the affiliate program owners wont want to use for 1 reason: They know how much traffic you get, where it comes from, how many sales you have, etc. etc. etc.

Nathan

johnnyv,

could you msg me on ICQ please? 1889711 or AIM fthylmann

Thanks

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Jace

there can also be, which I am sure there will be, confidentiality agreements

Nathan

I do not know how Clicktruth works exactly, thats why I want to talk to johnnyv. but what I am fearing is far worse. They say they get postback data from billers. I do not know of many billers that can postback to more than one location, and most affiliate systems will need the data postback going to them. Which gives clicktruth two choices as far as I see right now:
1) make the program send on the postback, which is rather unlikely since now the program has control over shaving again
2) clicktruth sends the postback on to the program, which would scare the shit out of me because what if clicktruth goes down?


Again, I do not know the details of clicktruth, so the above might be absolutely wrong, but thats how it sounds like to me right now.

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dirtysouth

bump.

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notjoe

IMHO the data would have to hit the clicktruth system prior to the affiliate program to ensure that no shaving is happening.

If it hit the affiliate script first you could always tunnel data back to the clicktruth shit through a proxy and dynamically "drop" sales from passing back...

webair

nice seeing you in SD Oystein! Congrats on the new release good stuff!

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Great seeing you too Mike! It was a blast.

And thanks for the good words about our release. It is a kick ass product with no real comparison :-)

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alan-l

with all respect, I gotta say MPA3 is doomed because of dishonesty. Not by yours, but due to the option you gave to your customers.

Let's face it, nobody wants MPA* because of the cascade, which is easy to set (in the worse scenario surfer will need to fill a different form), nor because of the (great) affiliate management area, but because of the combo of shaving+cascade feature. I mean, maybe there are a few program owners that aren't interested in it, but I doubt they're a crowd.

Now, as somebody with great logic asked, what will happen if somebody who paid 10-15k because of the shaving feature looking to recoup that money by shaving lose this option all of the sudden? Or what will be happen when affiliates start to see the real stats which can be as high as 1,200%? (for what I know, maybe even higher) They all will say: fuck MPA! Thus, I'm pretty sure the shaving option is there and stronger than ever.

Now, for all the saints and naives here, believe me most aff programs, at least all those I know have a shaving mod included by default or that you can ask to be installed. Furthermore, since most of them are way less expensive than MPA, they're installed at a lot of programs, specially the smaller ones. I'll go even further: if an aff script does not have a shaving option, then 90% of people won't buy it


So get off your cloud, if you wanna stop shaving, then act against it. You'll need creativity, knowledge and some effort, but it's relatively easy to find out who's shaving and who's not. It's relatively easy to find out the EXACT amount of signups you sent, MPA or not. Now, if you want to do it, it's another thing. In the meanwhile, trust nobody

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Mick / ?nufsaid?,

Mansion was always ready to help you to make the most of the program you paid for. You just didn?t do the basic work people have to do to make any system work, then you threatened lawsuits, now you are here posting slander. If you worked half as hard on your business as you do threatening to call out the lawyers, you would be rich already. You simply owe an apology to the people whose money you wasted in the adult business ? not a new story to those on this board.

For those webmaster who are hardworking professionals, the MPA3 program is a solid new product that will bring webmasters and affiliates more cash for their efforts. We expect all of our users to upgrade to MPA3. We listened and heard webmaster concerns on this board and elsewhere, so the MPA3 will meet the highest standards of business honesty, are shown by our integration of the new program with Clicktruth verification. Mansion was the first to make affordable cascading publicly available to all affiliate programs, and we are still the best. The fact is, if your affiliate program is using the MPA3, you will get more signups and make more money, and with Clicktruth, you will get all the facts about your stats.

So many lost dreams end up here with frustration spread around wherever they seem fit. Jealousy is a dangerous downfall.

Anyways, Mick, I am sorry that your business plan didn?t work out for you and that your dream about fame and fortune in the adult industry ended before it started. This is usually what happens to incompetent people.

It is not the first time I have seen "companies" come out with a dream, only to fall flat on their face when they fail.

This industry is better without you.

Good luck in your future ventures.

PS. Please come down and visit. We reside in sunny California (from where we do business as well as in Nevada) as well as and you can find all the contact info you need on our website. We enjoy company with sincere and serious webmasters who can bring something to the table.

Sincerely,
Oystein Wright

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Be sure to contact me with any business questions and I will be more than happy to answer them all.

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Rich

Well, they sure proved that pibcash doesn't shave.

crockett

was pibcashing using them?

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Yes.

crockett

I assume PIBcash was using them after the first time they were caught shaving and were still able to continue to shave using clicktruth?

That's pretty sad if it's true

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That's correct, clicktruth.com is a scam. They came and posted that exact same long ass form post in a pib cash thread. If I'm wrong they can sue me, but they won't, because they're a scam. I wouldn't use any program that uses them, to me it just proves that they ARE shaving and trying to hide it.

Rich

Before you clickthruth guys try to lie about what I just said, be aware that I have several interesting screenshots you'd probably rather I didn't have.

DamageX

Post them?

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I hope this one don't have the shaving option!

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Incredible.

What goes on on this board is pure bullshit from beginning to end. Looking for truth here is looking in vain.

First of all, please post your screenshots.


Secondly, congratulations on getting me to reply to you Rich, I've never done it before, but what you are saying is so incredibly wrong, that I simply had to. Where you got your information is beyond me, but you couldn't be more wrong. Are you in my office and I don't know it. Are you an account rep for The Porn Posse, and Iim not aware of it? How could you possibly think you know what goes on at my company, and with our auditing system to the point where you attempt to destroy my credibility, and my business model. Just because you hear something on this board Rich does not make it truth.

You are right on one point. What you are saying is liabelous. It is cause for civil action, as when you say my business is a scam, and slander my credibility, keep in mind the burdon of proof falls on you. I understand that you are too much of a child to realize that yourself, but keep in mind the laws apply to you the same way they do to grown ups.

Thirdly, it is impossible that we put this same post in a Pibcash thread, because the person who wrote that previous post is no longer with us. We do not have form threads. How you think you know so much about my company is beyond me, but before you begin to profess such knowledge, I would suggest you start with some facts, because the more you write, the more and more incorrect your statements become.

Here is the truth. Pibcash contacted Clicktruth after their embarrassment on the boards several months back. Although we knew what sort of trouble they were in, we wanted to give them an honest shot. Although we tried a little traffic through the system they never went through with the complete integration, and they were never audited. They are not part of the group of webmasters we recommend. That does not mean that we think they shave. It means that we never went through with the process of finding out, and I am not going to say something I am not positive of on this public board.

Clicktruth is not a scam. If you knew how it worked you would know that it could not be a scam. (Altrhough you seem to know so much about my business that it seems logical that you know how it works). It is as truthful an indication of integrity that you can have in this space. Why you would seek to slam it is beyond me. It's like slamming Consumer Reports. An intelligent person wouldn't do that. We simply report on information that we collect from programs that have nothing to hide.

There is only one type of person who would like to see Clicktruth fail, and those are the people who shave. Anyone else should welcome the opportunity to have each hit counted, each sign-up credited, and an opportunity to have a third party verify their own claim that they do not shave. This system doesn't hurt anyone.

People who are uninitiated to real business, or who are simply not intelligent enough to comprehend verification, or a simple report on data collected, also tend to see anything that they do not understand as a threat; sort of like a cow.

nufsaid

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Keep to things you know and love, like taking money for shit software. We have been in this biz a lot longer than you and have pissed on bigger ass holes then you, any old timers here will know the names DMR, Nick Nolter to name but two. When we started there was only 25 adult sites listed on Yahoo. So please try and get an idea of who you are talking about.

99% of webmasters that read this board have already seen you for what you are. You fucked us now we are going to return the favour.

Post your address Oystein and we will come visit.

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No.... you've been lied to, or... given wrong info.

PiBCash had an in house developer who wrote their software. It was NOT mpa2.

The screen shots and everything out there about them was very different from the mpa2 software.

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we weren't talking about mp2 with Pibcash... we were talking about clicktruth and if pibcash was using clicktruth when they were caught shaving the second time. But from what the clicktruth guy is saying, pipcash never actually started using their system.

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