CCBILL scrubbing or just how sales are? - GoFuckYourself.com

biskoppen · 06-11-2004, 03:52 PM

My stats with one sponsor today (1 sale) :

The same sponsor 3 days ago (15 sales) :

Thats a difference in almost 900%

My traffic sources are the same...

I don't know? .. I don't see these major curves with any other system thats all I know...

Everytime I've tried to make a test signup myself it have worked fine....

06-11-2004, 04:06 PM

Quit while you still can dude

doober · 06-11-2004, 04:06 PM

Biggy2 · 06-11-2004, 04:13 PM

biskoppen - hit me up on ICQ..

i'm with you today:

1:2296 - when i'm normally 1:500.

3 days ago I was 1:528.

beemk · 06-11-2004, 04:18 PM

my stats are kicking ass today as usual:

Anna_O · 06-11-2004, 04:29 PM

2 damn refunds today

joshuawk · 06-11-2004, 04:37 PM

im doing higher ccbill sales today than usual

beemk · 06-11-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by Anna_O
2 damn refunds today

i dont think ccbill is at blame for any refunds. if a customer doesnt like the site and wants a refund they have to give it to them, if not they would have too many chargebacks.

Martin · 06-11-2004, 04:39 PM

Naw CCBill sales have been in the dumper for me too.....

Anna_O · 06-11-2004, 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by beemk
i dont think ccbill is at blame for any refunds. if a customer doesnt like the site and wants a refund they have to give it to them, if not they would have too many chargebacks.

True, not really blaming them either... But it's been months since we've had a refund, and now two on the same day. It's only 30 bucks, but I hate seeing those damn red numbers

beemk · 06-11-2004, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by Anna_O
True, not really blaming them either... But it's been months since we've had a refund, and now two on the same day. It's only 30 bucks, but I hate seeing those damn red numbers

oh ok, im with you though, my refund rate is under 1% but i still hate to see them.

Sosa · 06-11-2004, 04:43 PM

I'm down today after 2 kickass days with ccbill.

porncargo · 06-11-2004, 04:46 PM

ccbill has sucked for me the whole week.

corvette · 06-11-2004, 05:11 PM

My recommendation, as it always has been, is that if you suspect that something is not working correctly; test it with a test signup?

Theo · 06-11-2004, 05:18 PM

you can use the family's shared CC to do tests.

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xxxdesign-net · 06-11-2004, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by corvett
My recommendation, as it always has been, is that if you suspect that something is not working correctly; test it with a test signup?

Hey Corvet... I was 0 in 3787 with a sponsor... I ask for a test signup... I received an email about 7h ago.. saying everything is fine ... yet.. I check my stats and there's still 0 sales... !??

doober · 06-11-2004, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
Hey Corvet... I was 0 in 3787 with a sponsor... I ask for a test signup... I received an email about 7h ago.. saying everything is fine ... yet.. I check my stats and there's still 0 sales... !??

everything is fine

corvette · 06-11-2004, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
Hey Corvet... I was 0 in 3787 with a sponsor... I ask for a test signup... I received an email about 7h ago.. saying everything is fine ... yet.. I check my stats and there's still 0 sales... !??

i apologize, please allow me to clarify, I was referring to a 'live' test signup, should have made that more clear?

Rather than an internal troubleshooting test signup, which seems to be what you are referring to, and those do not show up in the stats, I meant a live test signup, where you pull out your own credit card and imitate the complete customer experience...

I suggest that you try that

corvette · 06-11-2004, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by doober
everything is fine

doober, i am simply suggesting that if you think that something is wrong, troubleshoot the entire process..

Perhaps you don?t see where I am coming from. For instance, in the past 2 weeks, troubleshooting was able to discover that an incredible, immediate and consistent traffic decrease was due to a SE traffic source being unknowingly replaced with TGP traffic.

In another case a few days ago, we were able to discover that the reason an affiliates ratios were so poor. It was due to them not sending traffic to the paysite, but directly to the affiliates site that he had been referred by?

Those were 2 recent examples off of the top of my head

With all due respect, please do not expect a reply from me, as I am leaving to the airport in a minute.

Have a good weekend

SoundMan · 06-11-2004, 06:01 PM

blame it on free porn..

elric · 06-11-2004, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by corvett
My recommendation, as it always has been, is that if you suspect that something is not working correctly; test it with a test signup?

Hey Corvett-

The CCBill admin still allows sponsors to temporarily "deactivate" an affiliate in such a way that during the "deactivation" the affiliate does not get credited for any signups, right?

That would explain long periods without any signups.

I remember there was a thread in January where you said you were going to look into removing this feature since it can be used to defraud webmasters.

What ever happened with that?

We never heard back from you.

P.S.- I have also noticed very strange signup patterns this week - MUCH worse than usual. Has CCBill made it even easier to shave signups than before?

elric · 06-11-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by corvett

With all due respect, please do not expect a reply from me, as I am leaving to the airport in a minute.

Have a good weekend [/B]

I didn't see this before I posted.

Don't worry, I will subscribe to this thread and bump it if necessary...

You have a good weekend too

Ray@TastyDollars · 06-11-2004, 08:18 PM

The wrost ive seen in a looooooooooooooooog time. In fact its so damn bad that I lost my top affilate. Must be summer slowdown ;)

Check your "form hits", something is definatly up with that. I got this bad feeling that alot of surfers/countries cant access CC forms.

Ray

Bansheelinks · 06-11-2004, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by corvett
My recommendation, as it always has been, is that if you suspect that something is not working correctly; test it with a test signup?

what good will that do? its called scrubbing and denials.........and if some webmaster with GOOD CREDIT gets refused on their card and posts it, you never answer them anyways.........you guys are simply trying to meet a standard level of CB's to avoid fines so you turn up the scrub..........we're not stupid

Rictor · 06-11-2004, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by elric
Hey Corvett-

The CCBill admin still allows sponsors to temporarily "deactivate" an affiliate in such a way that during the "deactivation" the affiliate does not get credited for any signups, right?

That would explain long periods without any signups.

I remember there was a thread in January where you said you were going to look into removing this feature since it can be used to defraud webmasters.

What ever happened with that?

We never heard back from you.

P.S.- I have also noticed very strange signup patterns this week - MUCH worse than usual. Has CCBill made it even easier to shave signups than before?

Do you wear a tinfoil hat?

doober · 06-11-2004, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor
Do you wear a tinfoil hat?

this dude is way off his rocker

lol

xxxdesign-net · 06-11-2004, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by Ray
The wrost ive seen in a looooooooooooooooog time. In fact its so damn bad that I lost my top affilate. Must be summer slowdown ;)

Check your "form hits", something is definatly up with that. I got this bad feeling that alot of surfers/countries cant access CC forms.

Ray

Hey Ray.. how did you get an account with CCBill? Do you have a partner living in the US ?

BradM · 06-11-2004, 09:27 PM

LOL j/k. My site uses ccbill and no problems that I have seen.

jimmyf · 06-11-2004, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by elric
Hey Corvett-

The CCBill admin still allows sponsors to temporarily "deactivate" an affiliate in such a way that during the "deactivation" the affiliate does not get credited for any signups, right?

That would explain long periods without any signups.

I remember there was a thread in January where you said you were going to look into removing this feature since it can be used to defraud webmasters.

What ever happened with that?

We never heard back from you.

P.S.- I have also noticed very strange signup patterns this week - MUCH worse than usual. Has CCBill made it even easier to shave signups than before?

I wasn't aware that a sponsor could do this. That's fucked big time

Oh i see someone refered about your tin foil hat.

Nickless · 06-11-2004, 09:35 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
I wasn't aware that a sponsor could do this. That's fucked big time

Oh i see someone refered about your tin foil hat.

They can also change the signup page code anytime they want, or use a cron job to do it automatically/at random, but since affiliates can set up a spider to check the signup pages at say every hour or so for changes, the ccbill suspension settings is a way more elegant solution

riosluts · 06-11-2004, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by elric
Hey Corvett-

The CCBill admin still allows sponsors to temporarily "deactivate" an affiliate in such a way that during the "deactivation" the affiliate does not get credited for any signups, right?

That would explain long periods without any signups.

I remember there was a thread in January where you said you were going to look into removing this feature since it can be used to defraud webmasters.

What ever happened with that?

We never heard back from you.

P.S.- I have also noticed very strange signup patterns this week - MUCH worse than usual. Has CCBill made it even easier to shave signups than before?

WOuld the affiliate know that they are being deactivated?

wvuatl · 06-11-2004, 11:11 PM

lot of people had off today... from Regan... maybe that ??

ColetteX · 06-12-2004, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by corvett
My recommendation, as it always has been, is that if you suspect that something is not working correctly; test it with a test signup?

I usually see quite a few signups right after I do a test... i think it wakes it up or something... i hate it when i go 6 hours with no signups and then I test and get 2 within 3 minutes of the test...

makes me wish i was sitting at the computer doing tests instead of sleeping or doing errands

biskoppen · 06-12-2004, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wvuatl
lot of people had off today... from Regan... maybe that ??

The traffic would just be lower then ..

The traffic is still high .. just no sales ..

More Booze · 06-12-2004, 02:16 AM

this whole week sucks, I have sent 11,235 clicks this week and did only get 2 sales...

spooky181 · 06-12-2004, 02:40 AM

I live in Austalia and can't use CCbill to join a site as my card is rejected, but any other processor is fine.

For my site and program I used to use CCbill but changed to Verotel and my sales skyrocketed, with no chargeback issues. They scrub waaaaaaaaaay too hard..

beemk · 06-12-2004, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by More Booze
this whole week sucks, I have sent 11,235 clicks this week and did only get 2 sales...

time for a new sponsor.

elric · 06-13-2004, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor
Do you wear a tinfoil hat?

No tinfoil hat here.

There were several threads in Jan/Dec that included screenshots and links to the CCBill Admin documentation.

CCBill has features that allow paysite owners to easily shave signups.

elric · 06-13-2004, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by riosluts
WOuld the affiliate know that they are being deactivated?

No. That's what makes it so sinister.

They could turn you off one day, and then turn you on the next and you would never know.

Which would explain the "gaps" in signups.

Hopefully Corvett will address some of these issues on Monday...

BVF · 06-13-2004, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by More Booze
this whole week sucks, I have sent 11,235 clicks this week and did only get 2 sales...

sucks to be you right now...sorry man

rowan · 06-13-2004, 02:10 PM

It's good to see "me too" replies for once... looks like several people are having a bad run.

Until a couple of hours ago I hadn't made a single initial (affiliate) sale for 4 days. That's the worst ever since I started sending traffic to ccbill sponsors in early 2003.

ColetteX: I did a test signup a few hours ago and coincidentally I now have a second 'real' sale showing as well. Hmmmmm?

Gottis · 06-13-2004, 04:02 PM

The week was most excellent. Although we're with ibill not ccbill.

jact · 06-13-2004, 04:10 PM

I got tired of playing this game, so we just don't promote anything that uses CCBill as their only processor. It's the only way you can ensure you don't have to partake in threads like this.

TheSwed · 06-13-2004, 05:02 PM

Dont anyone have a list with sponsors that have Verotel as billing processor?

st0rm · 06-13-2004, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by More Booze
this whole week sucks, I have sent 11,235 clicks this week and did only get 2 sales...

i`m 1:13356.0 so far this month

thank god my main sponsors dont use ccbill
the funny thing is i`m seeing that kind of ratios with every ccbill sponsor i`ve tried so far. Insane.

beemk · 06-13-2004, 05:51 PM

you guys seriously need to find new sponsors, i dont think i've had a day this year that i converted worse than 1:1000. thats 90% tgp traffic too.

spooky181 · 06-13-2004, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by TheSwed
Dont anyone have a list with sponsors that have Verotel as billing processor?

My amateur pissing and fisting site and program uses Verotel. We used to use CCbill but havn't looked back since moving. See sig

SABAI · 06-14-2004, 01:32 AM

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Originally posted by corvett
i apologize, please allow me to clarify, I was referring to a 'live' test signup, should have made that more clear?

Rather than an internal troubleshooting test signup, which seems to be what you are referring to, and those do not show up in the stats, I meant a live test signup, where you pull out your own credit card and imitate the complete customer experience...

I suggest that you try that

its what i did and as usual i get " Card declined at Pre-Auth. Please validate that the entered information is accurate."

i have over 10 000$ on the VISA GOLD i'm using , its from french bank , i can't buy anything from CCBill.

same thing happens with my second VISA INTERNATIONAL with a very positive credit amount. also issued by a french bank .

my guess is that you can signup with CCBill only with an american CC

Lifer · 06-14-2004, 07:20 AM

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Originally posted by SoundMan
blame it on free porn..

elric · 06-14-2004, 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by jact
I got tired of playing this game, so we just don't promote anything that uses CCBill as their only processor. It's the only way you can ensure you don't have to partake in threads like this.

Yeah, that may be the only solution.

06-11-2004, 03:52 PM	#1
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Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	Naw CCBill sales have been in the dumper for me too..... __________________

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spooky181 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: back of beyond Posts: 2,951	I live in Austalia and can't use CCbill to join a site as my card is rejected, but any other processor is fine. For my site and program I used to use CCbill but changed to Verotel and my sales skyrocketed, with no chargeback issues. They scrub waaaaaaaaaay too hard..

06-13-2004, 02:10 PM	#41
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	It's good to see "me too" replies for once... looks like several people are having a bad run. Until a couple of hours ago I hadn't made a single initial (affiliate) sale for 4 days. That's the worst ever since I started sending traffic to ccbill sponsors in early 2003. ColetteX: I did a test signup a few hours ago and coincidentally I now have a second 'real' sale showing as well. Hmmmmm?

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beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	you guys seriously need to find new sponsors, i dont think i've had a day this year that i converted worse than 1:1000. thats 90% tgp traffic too. __________________ I host with Vacares