The weirdest part is that they WANT them to continue to promote them afterwards - which is quite blatant if you ask me - first you screw me over with no lube, then you expect me to suck you dry.....doesn't make sense.

Anyhow, if you care to give better details of their plan, jact or LadyM.....

1) Are they paying you for the 500 sales?
2) Will they pay you for the rebills?

As everyone said, the simplest thing is to let your galleries stay rather than lose your partner accounts - but as I understood it, they don't want those images online, right? So it's not like you have much of a choice - either that or risk them 'accusing' you of unauthorized use of their content?


EDIT: FYI - didn't read the few posts above mine. So the financial aspect hasn't been resolved + to make matters worst, they are allowing other webmasters to use the content but they aren't allowing you?!@!#$@$!

Yes, they were implying it was obtained in a way that was unacceptable, when in face this is not the case. Unfortunately it would be a relatively serious thing to remove the galleries frivilously, one that would cost us far more than the revenue generated.

Oh no, the images are online in their members areas. Someone in their operation is under the impression they are not released and that I obtained them inappropriately. Any joe with a password could see that this is not the case. There are other issues but they're really not worthwhile mentioning. They are relatively trivial. This situation, however, I believe the gravity of the request, especially considering the context, is more serious than they realize.

Out of curiosity, once this settles, what content will you be using to promote them (if you so decided to do so)?

Okay, fair enough... it may not be about pay for you, but I assure you it will be about pay to a lot of their other affiliates. If they pull this shit on you and get away with it then who's to say they can't pull the same act on anyone else?

I see your point about the unfairness of it... I actually understood that point from page one here. :D

Man, don't even think about altering those galleries. Tell them to go fuck themselves if they know so little about how TGP submitting works. They should fucking know better.

Well.. Like I've said before.. unless they give it to me, anythign I have is like trying to sell apples with pictures of oranges.

This would be my advice as well. What will they do if you refuse to remove the galleries?

Prolly won't get any credit for the sales, even tho they are paying the BW, and it's not one or two joins a day

OK, I'm trying to think this thing through.

The partner accounts are your first priority. The way to protect them is, leave the galleries up. That's EASY.

The sponsor/content provider wants you to take the galleries down. So?

If you are using their content pursuant to their guidelines, you have a licence. They tell you to pull the content, just say "Sorry, that would have commercially unacceptable consequences for us, we won't do it."

What are they going to do? Send you a DCMA "Notice and Take Down"? So send 'em an "I have the right to this content" DCMA counter-notice. Your hosting provider, if he's good, will honor your counter-notice, and you'll be good until the sponsor sues you.

When he does, so what? He'll try to establish actual or statutory damages, you'll try to establish that you had a licence and so no damages are due. It sounds like this dispute is worth some lawyer fees. At some point during this process, your lawyer can point out to their lawyer the economic value of your partner accounts, and explain that if they terminate your license without cause, they will be liable for the damages you suffer. Odds are, your potential damages are at least as big as the damages they could recover in a copyright suit, even if they could win one.

So what am I missing? If the partner accounts are the priority here, tell your sponsor to go fuck himself, and let the lawyers sort it out. The volume of business you are talking about, it sounds like a no-brainer to me.

I'm so sorry to hear you guys are still fighting this. What a nightmare! You should be getting fruit baskets, not ridiculous demands.

I'm actually surprised the thread is so free of spam. Where are all the "promote my honest program instead!" vultures??? :winkwink:

250 affiliates lost.

You're missing the part where the name of this sponsor could be outted on the boards, likely resulting in a lot of affiliates and TGP's (some rather large) pulling their links and refusing to accept further galleries that promote this sponsort in future.

Their bottom line could drop well below freezing in a short period of time.

I think it is in their best interest to get their heads out of their asses and start being reasonable with Jact and Lady M. Yeah, I think so.

Since nobody's vulturing, I'll give Steve a plug, honest programs deserve kudos where it's due!

http://www.lightspeedcash.com/

Paying up to $35 per signup, you'll make yourself a truck load of money. You see that guest house of Steve's? Yeah, we paid for that. You're welcome Steve :Graucho

Steve is 100% :)

It really is a shame he won't go for that 120% payout I requested though. :Graucho

Jact (01:49 AM) :
die

damn him. damn him to hell!

Well, if they are forced to quit promoting these galleries, they lose those sales anyway. If they leave the galleries up, and tell the sponsor to GFY, then they won't have any 404 galleries, won't have to change any galleries, won't have to email umpteen TGP owners, etc....

I say out them, and tell them to fuck off!

These sponsor dosent really know or is to stupid to know how much real power are behind this. Im guessing there's a good chance this sponsor is allready fucked.

They've been informed as to what steps would be taken if needs be. I was rather surprised myself. :glugglug

So I've read all the posts in this thread. And unless I missed something from the beginning, I'm left wondering the following. Did you actually have permission from the sponsor to take content from their members area?

Indeed, they issued a password to the members area on two occasions (Our first one broke) for that very purpose.

Is it "HOW" you're using the content? i.e. saying the site is one thing when it's actually another. Or perhaps pushing the boundaries of what's acceptable while promoting this site? For example, I've had galleries promoting mature sites but making them out to be incest sites.

That part came out wrong. I should have said "I've had galleries submitted to me that promote mature sites by making them out to be incest sites."

wow... this is beyond fucking retarded.

are we talking a really popular program here?

Looking forward to hearing about this one :warning

Good morning bump :thumbsup

I would suspect they're popular, I know they've got a lot of folks pushing them, for now.

We informed them exactly how we'd be using the content, they had no problem with us using it for galleries, but now they've changed their mind a month and a half later. Anyhow, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. We refuse to be bullied and it's probably not a good idea to bully your affiliates anyhow.

I can understand all of this LadyM and Jact. My partner accounts are the root of my business. They are way more valuable to me than a months worth of sales. This shit really does suck, and I hope you guys work something out. You have a lot of people who have your backs :)

I'd like to suggest something, I couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread, it's way too long so I don't know if this has been suggested already.

I say just fuck them! Leave your galleries intact, don't touch them and stop promotiong the sponser. If they don't pay you sue them :glugglug

heres my opinion on this
as an affiliate program they can choose who to do biz with.
if they dont like the signups you are sending them, its their right to no accept anymore signups (within a 3-7 days notice) but they HAVE to pay you for all the signups you sent them.

Oh, they still want us to promote them, that's the kicker.

huh? WTF?
im not gonna read 6 pages....but I dont get it.

They dont want your signups, want to suspend your account, not pay the money they owe you, and still want you to promote them?
c'mon dude what am I missing?

If you figure it out, could you tell us?

Most likely what will happen.
I really hope so.
Never heard of anything like this.

doesnt matter how it turns out. i wouldnt be promoting them any longer.

:1orglaugh

:glugglug

Lets all take a break and remeber how good looking i am

http://www.juicylinks.com/hotlink/images/hgl1.jpg