German Police aint happy?!?!? - GoFuckYourself.com

Jon - Pussy.org · 05-21-2004, 06:37 PM

Can anyone read german? Got some letters that are really really weird and I cant make sense of them at all... any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.

Weirdly the letters concern t69.com not pussy.org

http://www.t69.com/letters/1.jpg
http://www.t69.com/letters/2.jpg
http://www.t69.com/letters/3.jpg
http://www.t69.com/letters/4.jpg

Thanks

Jon - Pussy.org · 05-21-2004, 06:41 PM

Sorry, image protection...
go here first then click a picture:

http://www.t69.com/letters/

Jon - Pussy.org · 05-21-2004, 06:53 PM

A forum doesnt work when theres soo many people on it.. nobodys message gets read cos they move too fast

AndrewKanuck · 05-21-2004, 06:55 PM

you're really fucked now...

nathan_f · 05-21-2004, 06:56 PM

i recognize 'internet site' or something similar, and coming from the germans, i dont think thats good..

Oracle Porn · 05-21-2004, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jon - Pussy.org
Sorry, image protection...
go here first then click a picture:

http://www.t69.com/letters/

dont visit germany anytime soon.

xato · 05-21-2004, 06:57 PM

same like the sleazydream letter...

tell them to go fuck themselves

nathan_f · 05-21-2004, 07:00 PM

<nathan_> is this guy in trouble or what?
<nathan_> he doesnt understand german, and neither do i..
<gappern> something about childrensomethingsomething contents of page?
<nathan_> oh damn
<nathan_> that doesnt sound good

#germany@efnet

geeez...

Jon - Pussy.org · 05-21-2004, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nathan_f
<nathan_> is this guy in trouble or what?
<nathan_> he doesnt understand german, and neither do i..
<gappern> something about childrensomethingsomething contents of page?
<nathan_> oh damn
<nathan_> that doesnt sound good

#germany@efnet

geeez...

Its about age verification, not CP, all the content is 89.com content, just to make that clear lol :P

JOKER · 05-21-2004, 07:02 PM

You got on the 'Index' of dangerous sites for minors.

You do not have a proper AVS (to prevent minors entering your site) in place.

Do not visit Germany anytime soon with your original passport. (personal advise)

For more info hit me up on ICQ.

Sorry man,German laws suck.

Steve

crockett · 05-21-2004, 07:03 PM

Damn so the germans are trying to nail webmasters outside their country?

johndoebob · 05-21-2004, 07:04 PM

Well it's 3:55am on a saturday atm in Germany so I doubt any german beside me is going to answer.

Bundesprüfstelle für Jugendgefährdende Medien = Agency to protect minors from viewing baaad stuff

They are going to ban your site

They write that you have to send them a statement within one week after you got the letter if you got any
objections against this.

They write how baaad your site is and why they are going to ban it (showing hardcore ouside member areas/avs systems is illegal in germany).

Could you please write them a letter and tell them to fuck off and not wasting tax payers money.You are living in the US and they can't do shit,they've gone crazy lately.Also tell them that they should write fucking english if they write letters to foreign webmasters who ain't in any way under their juristriction.

Hope that helped you.

xato · 05-21-2004, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob

Could you please write them a letter and tell them to fuck off and not wasting tax payers money.You are living in the US and they can't do shit,they've gone crazy lately.Also tell them that they should write fucking english if they write letters to foreign webmasters who ain't in any way under their juristriction.

PLEASE do that

pimpshost · 05-21-2004, 07:07 PM

It reminds me of when you cut an asian lady off and she yells obcentities at you in Chinese or Japanese. I personally would not give a fuck what they have to say in Germany, since I do not live there and have no plans to go.

Giorgio_Xo · 05-21-2004, 07:08 PM

The Nazis are back.

Jon - Pussy.org · 05-21-2004, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xato
PLEASE do that

Thanks.. I actually have family that live in germany so would need to visit, however these lettesr were not addressed to me, but the owner of the domain (lucky i guess). The owner is Texan so is unlikely to visit germany lol but if he wanted to. would would they do?

lol

I could complain about the letter to them, but also do you think this matter is resolvable so that the owner could freely travel to germany or would he be locked up for 50 years

johndoebob · 05-21-2004, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JOKEREMPIRE
Do not visit Germany anytime soon with your original passport. (personal advise)

Mate they can't do shit,they don't have lists of foreign webmasters at the airport where they check if you've done anything wrong.His site isn't even written in german,there is no law that forbids to do what is legal in your country if it's target to your country.They are fucking pieces of shit and retards too,also they are wasting my tax money (ok,you got me I don't pay taxes

).

xato · 05-21-2004, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jon - Pussy.org
Thanks.. I actually have family that live in germany so would need to visit, however these lettesr were not addressed to me, but the owner of the domain (lucky i guess). The owner is Texan so is unlikely to visit germany lol but if he wanted to. would would they do? lol

I could complain about the letter to them, but also do you think this matter is resolvable so that the owner could freely travel to germany or would he be locked up for 50 years

i dont think anythign would happen, cause they cant check everybody who enters their country for being a porn webmaster or something...
i really would like to see those us webmasters (you, sleazy and all the others who got mail) sending them some feedback about what stupid assholes they are and that they should concentrate on their own shit and not waste tax payers money like that....

crockett · 05-21-2004, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
The Nazis are back.

Porn Nazis

Jon - Pussy.org · 05-21-2004, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
Mate they can't do shit,they don't have lists of foreign webmasters at the airport where they check if you've done anything wrong.His site isn't even written in german,there is no law that forbids to do what is legal in your country if it's target to your country.They are fucking pieces of shit and retards too,also they are wasting my tax money (ok,you got me I don't pay taxes ).

I agree... anyway i might place something for germany visitors, write to them asking them to acknowledge the changes, then when they do write them a letter telling them they are a piece of shit lol

Thanks for your help guys

xato · 05-21-2004, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jon - Pussy.org
I agree... anyway i might place something for germany visitors, write to them asking them to acknowledge the changes, then when they do write them a letter telling them they are a piece of shit lol

Thanks for your help guys

i agree with what johndoebob said!

that is a very good idea. tell them that they should write to the bpjm telling them what fucking pieces of dumb shit they are and that they are the reason they dont get free porn anymore. that should give the bpjm some nice letters from annoyed porn surfers hehe...

Giorgio_Xo · 05-21-2004, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jon - Pussy.org
I agree... anyway i might place something for germany visitors, write to them asking them to acknowledge the changes, then when they do write them a letter telling them they are a piece of shit lol

Thanks for your help guys

Don't!

Reason 1: You recognize that you have German traffic. You aren't under German law. Contacting the German Police tells the U.S. Government that you know you are violating German law.

Reason 2: The Age verification process in Germany is impossible (requires faxed I.D., etc.)

doober · 05-21-2004, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
The Nazis are back.

johndoebob · 05-21-2004, 07:27 PM

I especially like the description of your site

Short descriptions of the Website:

The Portalsite of the english language website www.t69.com contains altogether 70 small format changing pictures which link to external picture galleries with sexual content.

The illustration shows sexual actions between same pairs and same sex pairs,for example oral stimulation of men and woman,the insertion of objects like dildos,vegetables and bottles into the vagina of naked woman or the practice of sexual intercourse.

Beyond that there are links at the top and at the bottom to portal similiar sites with similira content.The pictures aren't pixeled or censored in any way.

The access is free.

Man I should write him a letter and offer him to make descriptions for my sites

Jon - Pussy.org · 05-21-2004, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
Don't!

Reason 1: You recognize that you have German traffic. You aren't under German law. Contacting the German Police tells the U.S. Government that you know you are violating German law.

Reason 2: The Age verification process in Germany is impossible (requires faxed I.D., etc.)

I get it.. thanks for your help, your a smart cookie heh

johndoebob · 05-21-2004, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
Don't!

Reason 1: You recognize that you have German traffic. You aren't under German law. Contacting the German Police tells the U.S. Government that you know you are violating German law.

Reason 2: The Age verification process in Germany is impossible (requires faxed I.D., etc.)

The age verfication is still simple,there aren't any new laws yet.You just have to input or ID number and that's enough at the moment.

Those who wrote him don't belong to the police.They can't do shit.

Quote:

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
The Nazis are back.

Wtf?!They are dumb but what does it have to do with racism?Nothing!

JOKER · 05-21-2004, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
Mate they can't do shit,they don't have lists of foreign webmasters at the airport where they check if you've done anything wrong.His site isn't even written in german,there is no law that forbids to do what is legal in your country if it's target to your country.They are fucking pieces of shit and retards too,also they are wasting my tax money (ok,you got me I don't pay taxes ).

If you would have checked with your Lawyer,you would know better.

Everybody accessing borders (under control) and airports is ran through person-checks.

If there are charges against you they will give you shit,they will take you to the next police-station and put the finger of law on you.

Jon know what to do,I'll help with the knowledge we got on this issue.

Thanx,
Steve

btw. we do not need to argue - it is shitty and worse,but it is a law.

Evil1 · 05-21-2004, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
Man I should write him a letter and offer him to make descriptions for my sites

JOKER · 05-21-2004, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
The age verfication is still simple,there aren't any new laws yet.You just have to input or ID number and that's enough at the moment.

You might want to re-read the latest turns of the situation.

Believe me,they wouldnt send thousands of Letters out 7 Euro each with proof of deliverance (Einschreiben mit Rückschein) if they were not sure of that they can press through what they write.

Get the latest info.

Thanx,
Steve

johndoebob · 05-21-2004, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Everybody accessing borders (under control) and airports is ran through person-checks.

Yes but that's no crime.He could even state that he didn't understood the letter anyway.How should they prove that his site is target to german surfers in anyway or that he even knows the german laws or that a single german surfer ever visited his site beside the bjps guy?.

sandman! · 05-21-2004, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jon - Pussy.org
Can anyone read german? Got some letters that are really really weird and I cant make sense of them at all... any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.

Weirdly the letters concern t69.com not pussy.org

http://www.t69.com/letters/1.jpg
http://www.t69.com/letters/2.jpg
http://www.t69.com/letters/3.jpg
http://www.t69.com/letters/4.jpg

Thanks

I got one of those like 3 years ago for one of my domains.

JOKER · 05-21-2004, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
Yes but that's no crime.He could even state that he didn't understood the letter anyway.How should they prove that his site is target to german surfers in anyway or that he even knows the german laws or that a single german surfer ever visited his site beside the bjps guy?.

The point is the site is accessable from Germany without AVS.

Since the 'owner' (whois) is not from EU the law of the visiting country (in this case Germany) applies.

Think a minute. If they had no point,no law and no reason would they send out thousands of 'proof of deliverance' letters that are not cheap?

There is something coming,and it's worse.

Germany is going way too far and makes an ass out of themselves.

Sad but true.

Steve

johndoebob · 05-21-2004, 07:56 PM

Well the internet is free for everybody,I doubt they would get right in court.

Quote:

Think a minute. If they had no point,no law and no reason would they send out thousands of 'proof of deliverance' letters that are not cheap?

If it's about wasting tax money everybody is fast.

I don't really know how far checks at airports go,but if you didn't commit any serious crimes I doubt that you will get any problems.

JOKER · 05-21-2004, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
Well the internet is free for everybody,I doubt they would get right in court.

If it's about wasting tax money everybody is fast.

I don't really know how far checks at airports go,but if you didn't commit any serious crimes I doubt that you will get any problems.

Like I said,check with your lawyer - we did.

johndoebob · 05-21-2004, 08:04 PM

I won't come back to Germany when I leave the country that's for sure.

A logic thinking judge who knows what the internet is would say that he didn't do anything illegal in germany neither did he target his sites to german visitors to violate the youth protection laws.

xato · 05-21-2004, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
I won't come back to Germany when I leave the country that's for sure.

Slinx · 05-21-2004, 10:40 PM

I can't do a search, because my value for this forum is to low.
If somebody over 5000 post can make a search for wasteland and his letter it could be helpful. At the end of the thread a german lawyer made a comment.

newsdude · 05-21-2004, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JOKEREMPIRE
Like I said,check with your lawyer - we did.

This is the best advice you should follow.

pimplink · 05-21-2004, 11:30 PM

Geez, we can't help you with that, dude.

jack pot · 05-22-2004, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Think a minute. If they had no point,no law and no reason would they send out thousands of 'proof of deliverance' letters that are not cheap?

YES!!

@ all

For better understanding read this

http://www.bundespruefstelle.de/Texte/General.htm

Nathan · 05-22-2004, 03:47 AM

Hey,

did any of the germans that posted here actually read the letter?

This is the first step in a process to get t69.com on the Index... Its not final yet. (Of course he will get on it eventually, but he is not yet). This letter the owner of the domain to comment on the charges if they want to. The letter should come with an english information leaflet, read that, it should have all the info.

Regarding the "do not travel to germany" stuff:

1) Yes, as soon as you are on the German Index, and do not abide by their rules, meaning put AVS infront of hardcore sites for german surfers, you can be convicted in germany. Once THAT happends, or once they actually CHARGE you of a crime, THEN you will be in the general database of people that they want to get into custody, so arriving at a german airport would be bad at that point.

2) I am not sure if these things go to interpol or europol, meaning that other EU airports would find you too when you get into the country. That I very much doubt though. So, if you still want to come to germany, just fly in to friggin belgium or the netherlands and drive there, whats the big deal?

I bet the reason they are trying to get most sites onto the Index is to get a more complete database ready for ISP-level filtering.

Corleone · 05-22-2004, 03:52 AM

germany sucks

body · 05-22-2004, 03:56 AM

German laws are so funny. Time to redirect all germans to dialers like hell and just show them a naked tit or so

TheFrog · 05-22-2004, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
The Nazis are back.

not funny, espiecally if you live in Herr Bush's country

Slinx · 05-22-2004, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by body
German laws are so funny. Time to redirect all germans to dialers like hell and just show them a naked tit or so

Goatse is better

body · 05-22-2004, 04:07 AM

JDog · 05-22-2004, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slinx
Goatse is better

Hmmm maybe i'll start redirecting to there! heheh

jDoG

bluff · 05-22-2004, 04:11 AM

did you read the last paragraph of letter 3? It is very funny. I'll translate parts of it for you guys.

Paul Waters · 05-22-2004, 04:14 AM

If I got a letter in German, I would compose a reply made up of *words* with random letters, and send it to them.

JDog · 05-22-2004, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul Waters
If I got a letter in German, I would compose a reply made up of *words* with random letters, and send it to them.

I'd love to see the letter you'd send em!

jDoG

05-21-2004, 06:37 PM	#1
Jon - Pussy.org Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 179	German Police aint happy?!?!? Can anyone read german? Got some letters that are really really weird and I cant make sense of them at all... any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. Weirdly the letters concern t69.com not pussy.org http://www.t69.com/letters/1.jpg http://www.t69.com/letters/2.jpg http://www.t69.com/letters/3.jpg http://www.t69.com/letters/4.jpg Thanks

05-21-2004, 06:55 PM	#4
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05-21-2004, 07:02 PM	#10
JOKER Facit Omnia Voluntas Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Offshore Posts: 2,105	You got on the 'Index' of dangerous sites for minors. You do not have a proper AVS (to prevent minors entering your site) in place. Do not visit Germany anytime soon with your original passport. (personal advise) For more info hit me up on ICQ. Sorry man,German laws suck. Steve __________________ Facilitation - BizDev - Traffic - Consulting - Marketing Skype: jokerempire \| Silent Circle: joker

05-21-2004, 07:03 PM	#11
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	Damn so the germans are trying to nail webmasters outside their country? __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

05-21-2004, 07:04 PM	#12
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	Well it's 3:55am on a saturday atm in Germany so I doubt any german beside me is going to answer. Bundesprüfstelle für Jugendgefährdende Medien = Agency to protect minors from viewing baaad stuff They are going to ban your site They write that you have to send them a statement within one week after you got the letter if you got any objections against this. They write how baaad your site is and why they are going to ban it (showing hardcore ouside member areas/avs systems is illegal in germany). Could you please write them a letter and tell them to fuck off and not wasting tax payers money.You are living in the US and they can't do shit,they've gone crazy lately.Also tell them that they should write fucking english if they write letters to foreign webmasters who ain't in any way under their juristriction. Hope that helped you. __________________

05-21-2004, 06:41 PM	#2
Jon - Pussy.org Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 179	Sorry, image protection... go here first then click a picture: http://www.t69.com/letters/

05-21-2004, 06:53 PM	#3
Jon - Pussy.org Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 179	A forum doesnt work when theres soo many people on it.. nobodys message gets read cos they move too fast

05-21-2004, 06:56 PM	#5
nathan_f Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Think of me as Chomsky with dick jokes. Posts: 3,983	i recognize 'internet site' or something similar, and coming from the germans, i dont think thats good..

05-21-2004, 06:57 PM	#7
xato Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,205	same like the sleazydream letter... tell them to go fuck themselves

05-21-2004, 07:00 PM	#8
nathan_f Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Think of me as Chomsky with dick jokes. Posts: 3,983	<nathan_> is this guy in trouble or what? <nathan_> he doesnt understand german, and neither do i.. <gappern> something about childrensomethingsomething contents of page? <nathan_> oh damn <nathan_> that doesnt sound good #germany@efnet geeez...

05-21-2004, 07:07 PM	#14
pimpshost Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,052	It reminds me of when you cut an asian lady off and she yells obcentities at you in Chinese or Japanese. I personally would not give a fuck what they have to say in Germany, since I do not live there and have no plans to go.

05-21-2004, 07:08 PM	#15
Giorgio_Xo Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4,263	The Nazis are back. __________________ Make Levees, Not War

05-21-2004, 07:27 PM	#24
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	I especially like the description of your site Short descriptions of the Website: The Portalsite of the english language website www.t69.com contains altogether 70 small format changing pictures which link to external picture galleries with sexual content. The illustration shows sexual actions between same pairs and same sex pairs,for example oral stimulation of men and woman,the insertion of objects like dildos,vegetables and bottles into the vagina of naked woman or the practice of sexual intercourse. Beyond that there are links at the top and at the bottom to portal similiar sites with similira content.The pictures aren't pixeled or censored in any way. The access is free. Man I should write him a letter and offer him to make descriptions for my sites __________________

05-21-2004, 08:04 PM	#35
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	I won't come back to Germany when I leave the country that's for sure. A logic thinking judge who knows what the internet is would say that he didn't do anything illegal in germany neither did he target his sites to german visitors to violate the youth protection laws. __________________

05-21-2004, 10:40 PM	#37
Slinx Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 823	I can't do a search, because my value for this forum is to low. If somebody over 5000 post can make a search for wasteland and his letter it could be helpful. At the end of the thread a german lawyer made a comment.

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05-22-2004, 03:47 AM	#41
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Hey, did any of the germans that posted here actually read the letter? This is the first step in a process to get t69.com on the Index... Its not final yet. (Of course he will get on it eventually, but he is not yet). This letter the owner of the domain to comment on the charges if they want to. The letter should come with an english information leaflet, read that, it should have all the info. Regarding the "do not travel to germany" stuff: 1) Yes, as soon as you are on the German Index, and do not abide by their rules, meaning put AVS infront of hardcore sites for german surfers, you can be convicted in germany. Once THAT happends, or once they actually CHARGE you of a crime, THEN you will be in the general database of people that they want to get into custody, so arriving at a german airport would be bad at that point. 2) I am not sure if these things go to interpol or europol, meaning that other EU airports would find you too when you get into the country. That I very much doubt though. So, if you still want to come to germany, just fly in to friggin belgium or the netherlands and drive there, whats the big deal? I bet the reason they are trying to get most sites onto the Index is to get a more complete database ready for ISP-level filtering. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

05-22-2004, 03:52 AM	#42
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	germany sucks

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05-22-2004, 04:14 AM	#49
Paul Waters Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 4,402	If I got a letter in German, I would compose a reply made up of words with random letters, and send it to them. __________________ Paul