fyi go to jbm and search for grim and read the first thread on claims of what grim has been doing.

wow 12k???

yep, it takes serious knowledge to post some quotes from another message board ;)

you respected him at one time?

Thanks for the response BP.
I consider Voodoo a friend and am very relieved there is no tarnishments on em over this.

well wich is it Mike, grimshawn is cool and forgiven for fucking people and will be accepted back in the family? or he is disowned? you sound like the friggin mormon church, repent and I will be there for you? is that it?

so why not payback wiredguy if you are taking ownership of grimshawns debts? step up , you can collect it in your own methods rememberr? LOL


anybody pissed at me cause I call bullshit, when there is bullshit that is just fine with me....

:thumbsup

Can someone ICQ me the otehr board this was on

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is this the same guy who said he wouldn't out the so called scammer if he just got his money now? maybe you're playing both sides of the fence too and all you care about it your money not helping anyone as well. boneprone didn't get that money from you did he? i didn't think so.

JoeSchmo =

http://www.sukt.net/owned-snake.jpg

Voodoo is not involved directly...

Voodoo has always done right by me, and I have heard the same about him concerning others too...

oh man :1orglaugh

thats funny, I think I made the point quite clear....

and guess what I do not give a fuck if you like it or not....


Bullshit = Bullshit

truth = Truth

you should familiarize yourself with this equation.....

first class response to a shitty situation :thumbsup

big props to boneprone! :thumbsup

Again, perhaps you dont understand the nature of whats going on here..

The moment Grim thinks all is lost and he cant make it back into the industry even if he corrects this, will be the day he walks away and pays back no one..

If Grim realizes that yes, if he makes an effort to payback what is owed, steps up like a man and accepts his responsibilty that he fuced up and pays back and makes efforts to correct what he has done, yes people will forgive him..

Sure Ill forgive him if he takes care of this mess he created. I probably wont do biz with em personally anymore, but yeah I would help him.. If he made the effort..

But like wired guy and I have been saying all along.. The more stabs at him at the moment and the more and more he in his mind thinks that this is unresolvable the less and less likely he's just gunna tuck tail and run..

Im hoping that he stands up to his mistake like a man, admits what he did wrong and makes an effort to gfix what he has done and repay what has been done..

That in my book yes would gain my respect back..

That sounds soooo Cosa Nostra.

well, he did say he was getting married . . . . maybe he needed to buy a nice ring

the drama!! i haven't gotten anything done! :1orglaugh

12k is definately not worth the cost of your rep

The moment Grim thinks all is lost and he cant make it back into the industry even if he corrects this will be the day he walks away and pays back no one..

If Grim realizes that yes, if he makes an effort to payback what is owed, steps up like a man and accepts his responsibilty that he fuced up and pays back and makes efforts to correct what he has done, yes people will forgive him..

Sure Ill forgive him if he takes care of this mess he created. I probably wont do biz with em personally anymore, but yeah I would help him.. Forgive him. If he made the effort..

But like wired guy and I have been saying all along.. The more stabs at him the more he in his mind thinks that this is unresolvable. The public lash out isnt someing that is gunna help or give Grim an incentive to pay back what is owed, in fact its just gunna encourage him to tuck tail and run.. Thats not what we want here.. All Im saying is, yes if he makes an effort to payback and correct what he has done here, Ill be here to do what I can do to help him.

Im hoping that he stands up to his mistake like a man, admits what he did wrong and makes an effort to gfix what he has done and repay what has been done..

That in my book yes would gain my respect back..

Well, WG is a first-class man.

I'm sorry that you've had to contend with any of this, Charles. Very sorry :(

WiredGuy and Boneprone, I really respect you're maturity in this thread. It could have gone a lot worse then where it is now.

Thank you.

Exactly... I don't know Shawn that well but I do know Charles. Charles is a pretty private person when it concerns his business. If he wanted it to be public he would have started a thread.

Joesho you had no business bringing a private business dealing to a public board period. I could understand if Shawn owed you money or you were involved in the business deal with Charles, but you are not involved at all. Do you think you were the only one that knew what was going on? This has been an issue for some time now and your post here makes me feel like Im 10 years old again and back in elementary school... "OOooohhhh Oooohhh I have a secret...wanna hear it"

pathetic

Just my :2 cents:

so what you are saying is a snake can shed it's skin and become less poisonous?

I understand completely, that most of the people thinking that any legal recourse( when shawn is judgment proof) is gonna help, or that somehow shawn is gonna turn back into some saint is strictly fucking fantasy! if he had a chance in hell of raisinf g the money before this why did he do what he did? and how exactly is fucking someone else over to pay the first guiy you fucked benificial to anyone?

again I am sorry to say this charles, but all you can hope to get is a pound of flesh back... because you will never see a dime of that money.... that is reality!

sleazy, quite , be pissed or have no respect for me all you want, cause the people that matter to me understand that right is right, and I do not play the fuck around game to well.
if that is not you, and you can not see past hope for you friend to get his money back when you are making your judgemnts on me, then I bet you and me would not have ever done anything togethetr biz wise in the first place....

if I am not on this board cause I hurt some of the fakers reps then that is cool too, I will be better off for it I am sure...
I have principles, and that will always take a person farther than bullshit...

may take some time for the ones that do not understand collecting debts from people seriously to understand this, but those are the future people that will evlove this business, and those are the ones I look for to do business with.

On my penny? I don't think so!
WG

Joesho needs a girlfriend to keep him busy.

:2 cents: :2 cents:

There are times when it's good to know when to just shut up and let it go. For you, this was one of those times.

How any of this addresses the point that this issue wasn't your business to post publicly really escapes me dude. The others are right, you really do need to get over yourself. But I'm pretty sure you won't, you seem to lack the ability to take good advice when you don't agree with it, or the ability to just admit you fucked up and move on.

I don't get you man. On some topics you come off as right on the money, then on others you totally show as a twit would. You are a paradoxical fellow aren't you.

Charles, are you upset with me? or do you see my point in bringing this out?

ENOUGH god dammit.

Wash your own dirty clothes and let others dirty laundry alone. WG knows what he's got to do and he's doing it... He don't need no help from 100 GFY superman...

I spoke to Grim couple of days ago and I spoke to Wired Guy. Grim mentionned he fully intended to pay back... Now he needs to respect what he said and contact wiredguy.

For all of you's to discuss someone elses business is pathetic...

Don't you have a fucking job... Or your job is to play in someone elses sand box.

:2 cents:

:1orglaugh you only outted this to get your cock hard monkeyboy!

It's none of your business... you had no right to take this public if none of the parties wanted to have it that way... WG clearly said it so why didn't you keep your piehole shut?

Will you buy me a new headset?

known grim for a while thought hes someone that would be respectful of someones money until he asked me to buy a banner on his board, after paying it was a total nightmare to get a hold of him and it was like 600 or 800 bucks.

Really pissed me off, voodoo took care of it over a month later.

He played many peoples head I guess, and I was almost involved in that deal that WG got involved in.

WG if I can be of any help locating anyone you need just let me know.

All the best

that is a good/classy move on Boneprone's part :thumbsup

I have to agree - it's hard to get your $ back if he gets slandered to the point that he cant even work in effort to pay you.

If he agrees to pay it back and works honestly and hard to cover his debts then that is a step in the right direction.
At this point in time threads like this dont help

if he 100% does the runner and absolutley refuses to pay it - THEN bring the guns out :BangBang:

..actually just thinking about it - I dont think this thread alone would do too much harm - think of how many "Hungrymman owes me $" thresds there's been - he still gets work :1orglaugh

Funny some people say it's not worth losing reputation for $12k.

If it was for $120k, you would say it's ok ?

Yea your skin is definitly white enough

it has only been mentioned 3 or 4 times already

hey, maybe it would give you some rights to the honeymoon video :Graucho

Never heared of that story...but for sure that's asshole style...

WG your restraint in this thread is pretty amazing. Man, I would have been hot to have my business aired on the boards, especially if it impacted my ability to colllect a five figure debt.

not boneprone's.

will you send signup4cash your traffic :Graucho

Fair enough WG... but the thruth needed to be told before anyone else would get burned by the same guy...

However its true that maybe a Boneprone statement backing Joesho would have been enough without your name ever be mentioned...

:2 cents:

Joesho = sticking his nose in stuff that is none of his business.... again

Jeeze man, you really need to find something to do with your life that's a little more productive.

Anyway, props to Boneprone and WG... you guys are handling this very well... despite the total retard that Joesho is being. :thumbsup

The sad thing is I can tell they IE the parties involved put alot of effort into Grim.

From looks of it they were setting em up to be something big.
This is a sad story to unfold for sure.

Are you sending traffic to Skin Traffic? If so, I'll send you traffic. It's that simple.

IT's not likely to happen twice to the same person ... I mean when you pay somebody back 12 k $ ... you won'T do it again . paying it was a lot harder then scamming it .

Seriously ... it happened to me ... with the whole vegas bullshit . And now I get more and more orders every week from adult world . It's possible to repair dammage by offering a good service and beeing honest with people .

You are correct WG, I was talking about money he borrowed using the family name.

Sometimes you have no choices ... something push you in your life ... but 99 % of the time the people "choose" to fuckup