The Difference In Dealing With Professionals And Dealing With Idiots - GoFuckYourself.com

Fletch XXX · 05-24-2004, 11:27 AM

Man, sometimes I almost feel excited and lucky to deal with some people.

They hit me up with a project plan, have their content laid out in zips with previews already made, have a vision or at least a route for me to begin on, and is a general pleasure to deal with.

I get to see the inside of sites before they are even launched, I will never have to pay for porn, and I see more of it than I could ever want to, and believe it or not I learn a lot from dealing with professionals and those who know what they are doing.

Then the idiots...

I wont even go into them, ill keep it positive, but I can tell you this.

if you think sometimes only clients are left with a bad taste regarding a project think again.

I have dealt with people who have made my eperience in working with them a nuisance, aggrivating, and too time consuming, not trying to come across as an asshole, but some people simply waste my time and instead of working with them I end up avoiding them because they are like leeches and seem to only be trying to

a. get shit for free
b. learn what they can from me without ever engaging in a project.

I have no time for those and instead of going on about negative asects of doing business, lets focus on good parts.

Any professionals who actually read this and need some work, I just got finished a 1 month long project dedication so my schedule is now open for any work, hiw me up if you need something.

fletch @ fletchxxx dot com

okny · 05-24-2004, 11:30 AM

I hear you on that but i try to lay it all out for the clients before we even start working, so they know what they are getting for the money they are paying for, this way they wont bug me for extra free work after the project is complete. But no matter how you try in any business you will have those that will sit on your back and bug you every day for pure nonsense.

Fletch XXX · 05-24-2004, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by okny
I hear you on that but i try to lay it all out for the clients before we even start working, so they know what they are getting for the money they are paying for

My clients know exactly what they are paying for and getting, my reputation speaks louder than my work... word of mouth rules.

Most of my clients simply hit me with the project details and payment and there is no duscussion, I deliver, they are satisfied. I rarely have to tweak things around, not very often. Common things maybe colors etc, but everything is changeable in my work.

People use a designer they know and trust, its the people that dont that need coaching.

My clients come to me becuase they know they wont have to deal with the other bullshit issues some cause.

but yeah time watsers are around, ive only recently started using ICQ again.

okny · 05-24-2004, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
word of mouth rules.

I second that.

Fletch XXX · 05-24-2004, 12:23 PM

Okay, I am about to run out to do some errands, and do a few things.

I wanted to offer the GFY crowd a special today only.

5 Galleries for $100 even, I normally do 4 for 100 so its like getting a free one ;)

Anyway, its 12:20 here, so midnight tonight PST deal closes.

email me ASAP as I can only accept so many of these at this price before my schedule is filled. Ill cap it at 10 slots of 5.

fletch @ fletchxxx dot com

Ill check this thread when I return as well as email.

thanks and look forward to dealing with some of you.

69pornlinks · 05-24-2004, 01:14 PM

i'll say you the only designer i send full payment to, instead of 50%...i rarely trust anyone...granted it's only 35-75 bucks at a time, but i do trust you and your work...

bump

Paul Markham · 05-24-2004, 01:33 PM

Fortunately our stores are automated so don't have to do much for the less sharp ones.

And a fools dollar buys the same as a wise mans, I know the wise man buys more. But in this business there are more fools to sell to.

Only joking, Fletch has a problem in that his service is personal as ours is not.

Fletch XXX · 05-24-2004, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by 69pornlinks
i'll say you the only designer i send full payment to, instead of 50%...i rarely trust anyone...granted it's only 35-75 bucks at a time, but i do trust you and your work...

bump

nice words man, mayn I quote you on my portfolio? ;)

heheh

Roald · 05-24-2004, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
My clients know exactly what they are paying for and getting, my reputation speaks louder than my work... word of mouth rules.

Most of my clients simply hit me with the project details and payment and there is no duscussion, I deliver, they are satisfied. I rarely have to tweak things around, not very often. Common things maybe colors etc, but everything is changeable in my work.

People use a designer they know and trust, its the people that dont that need coaching.

My clients come to me becuase they know they wont have to deal with the other bullshit issues some cause.

but yeah time watsers are around, ive only recently started using ICQ again.

yeps same here thats why I don't bother to much about so called cheap ass designers

stephanie m. · 05-24-2004, 02:56 PM

Dealing with scammers is even worse that dealing with idiots. It is refreshing to find a trustworthy individual in this industry. (not that there arent many)

justsexxx · 05-24-2004, 03:01 PM

I hope you enjoy working with me/us

Doctor Dre · 05-24-2004, 03:02 PM

I agree at 100000 % ...

b. learn what they can from me without ever engaging in a project.

----

This happen to me so often ... last month a guy popped out . he asked me questions daily about a cam site, how to do it, what's better ... and about business cards and everything .

I was very kind and shown him the way from what I knew about it .

Never heard about him . Happens all the time .

Fletch XXX · 05-24-2004, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by justsexxx
I hope you enjoy working with me/us

never had a problem with anyone from GFY really, well except Candyflip copying and reselling my galleries from my portfolio hahaha.

I think the last person someone would want to fuck over for design around here would be me, I think its helped keep people from trying to stiff me ;)

I could seriously out some bad clients, fortunately I have never had to, not my style really.

But nah never had a problem with you or anyone in this thread, most of my clients hit me with the money and I knock out their work and all is good.

inthestars · 05-24-2004, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

some people simply waste my time and instead of working with them I end up avoiding them because they are like leeches and seem to only be trying to

a. get shit for free
b. learn what they can from me without ever engaging in a project.

This, is really common in alot of businesses..

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 05-24-2004, 03:22 PM

you have mail

Fletch XXX · 05-24-2004, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by inthestars
This, is really common in alot of businesses..

Well obviously heh.

Unfortunately, I have only had my own business for 4 years (since 23) and this is the only one I deal with others doing. Dealing with folks mostly via email or icq can be a headache, talking on the phone is much better.

I have found Canadians are quick to call the Us instead of yapping on icq, a deal can be so much sweeter if folks didnt rely on crappy tools like icq and email for business deals.

Ive closed 3k deals with never even hearing a voice, money was in my account the next morning... risks and trust, its all a factor.

At least when I leave the net, i am totally separated from business, it feels good to go outside

hahaha

tranza · 05-24-2004, 03:28 PM

Would you care to help me out Fletch???

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=300823

Fletch XXX · 05-24-2004, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday
you have mail

hmmm, Ive checked it twice, hasnt came through yet.

give it a couple mins...

JDog · 05-24-2004, 03:36 PM

I hear you on that one! I hate the people that don't have shit for you on what exactly they want, just a thought. And it's like, how the fuck I'm I suppose to do a project with no lead way on what you want!

jDoG

CyberTraffic · 05-24-2004, 03:53 PM

There are some clients in my experience that take 2 hours + of time asking questions.

Sometimes inconvenient but worth it in my eyes to make them feel comfortable about ordering my service.

I don't blame anyone or find fault in being cautious or inexperienced.

05-24-2004, 11:27 AM	#1
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	The Difference In Dealing With Professionals And Dealing With Idiots Man, sometimes I almost feel excited and lucky to deal with some people. They hit me up with a project plan, have their content laid out in zips with previews already made, have a vision or at least a route for me to begin on, and is a general pleasure to deal with. I get to see the inside of sites before they are even launched, I will never have to pay for porn, and I see more of it than I could ever want to, and believe it or not I learn a lot from dealing with professionals and those who know what they are doing. Then the idiots... I wont even go into them, ill keep it positive, but I can tell you this. if you think sometimes only clients are left with a bad taste regarding a project think again. I have dealt with people who have made my eperience in working with them a nuisance, aggrivating, and too time consuming, not trying to come across as an asshole, but some people simply waste my time and instead of working with them I end up avoiding them because they are like leeches and seem to only be trying to a. get shit for free b. learn what they can from me without ever engaging in a project. I have no time for those and instead of going on about negative asects of doing business, lets focus on good parts. Any professionals who actually read this and need some work, I just got finished a 1 month long project dedication so my schedule is now open for any work, hiw me up if you need something. fletch @ fletchxxx dot com __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

05-24-2004, 11:30 AM	#2
okny Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Vault Posts: 5,761	I hear you on that but i try to lay it all out for the clients before we even start working, so they know what they are getting for the money they are paying for, this way they wont bug me for extra free work after the project is complete. But no matter how you try in any business you will have those that will sit on your back and bug you every day for pure nonsense. __________________ Aim: okny Icq: 306232 Skype: OlegKrasBT

05-24-2004, 12:23 PM	#5
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Okay, I am about to run out to do some errands, and do a few things. I wanted to offer the GFY crowd a special today only. 5 Galleries for $100 even, I normally do 4 for 100 so its like getting a free one ;) Anyway, its 12:20 here, so midnight tonight PST deal closes. email me ASAP as I can only accept so many of these at this price before my schedule is filled. Ill cap it at 10 slots of 5. fletch @ fletchxxx dot com Ill check this thread when I return as well as email. thanks and look forward to dealing with some of you. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

05-24-2004, 01:14 PM	#6
69pornlinks Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Heranus Posts: 5,560	i'll say you the only designer i send full payment to, instead of 50%...i rarely trust anyone...granted it's only 35-75 bucks at a time, but i do trust you and your work... bump __________________ It IS what it IS

05-24-2004, 01:33 PM	#7
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Fortunately our stores are automated so don't have to do much for the less sharp ones. And a fools dollar buys the same as a wise mans, I know the wise man buys more. But in this business there are more fools to sell to. Only joking, Fletch has a problem in that his service is personal as ours is not. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

05-24-2004, 02:56 PM	#10
stephanie m. Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: cancun~~~~~~~~~ ICQ 292 580 143 Posts: 2,484	Dealing with scammers is even worse that dealing with idiots. It is refreshing to find a trustworthy individual in this industry. (not that there arent many) __________________ One of Six new Reality Sites in RealityCash - Coming soon.

05-24-2004, 03:01 PM	#11
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	I hope you enjoy working with me/us __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

05-24-2004, 03:22 PM	#15
C_U_Next_Tuesday WW4L Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: over the river and through the woods Posts: 10,581	you have mail

05-24-2004, 03:28 PM	#17
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Would you care to help me out Fletch??? http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=300823 __________________ I'm just a newbie.

05-24-2004, 03:36 PM	#19
JDog Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canby, OR Posts: 7,453	I hear you on that one! I hate the people that don't have shit for you on what exactly they want, just a thought. And it's like, how the fuck I'm I suppose to do a project with no lead way on what you want! jDoG __________________ NSCash now powering ReelProfits.com ALSO FEATURING: NSCash.com :: SoloDollars.com :: ReelProfits.com :: BiminiBucks.com :: VOD PROGRAMS COMING SOON: Greedy Bucks :: Vengeance Cash NOW OFFERING OVER 60 SITES CONTACT :: JAMES SMITH :: CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFICER :: ICQ (711385133)

05-24-2004, 03:53 PM	#20
CyberTraffic Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Traffic Land ~ ICQ:213666533 Posts: 2,187	There are some clients in my experience that take 2 hours + of time asking questions. Sometimes inconvenient but worth it in my eyes to make them feel comfortable about ordering my service. I don't blame anyone or find fault in being cautious or inexperienced.