Webmasters are already showing their loyalty by promoting your sites in the first place. Especially when it's a revshare program, and there are hundreds of affiliate programs. Ofcourse not every program is the same and that's why they chose you.
You should be happy with every hit they sent.

You do not need to raise payouts either.

If you do then make sure it's you that is doing the webmaster a favor and pay them for everything they make. But if you want the webmaster to return the favor, or else no payout, then I suggest you just keep on coming up with great sites but stick to this payout system.

Why do you think Nastydollars does so well... amazing sites, amazing content good coversions ... have you ever seen any of them at any conference or hosting a party?

But we have been using lightspeed for a while now so you must be doing something right :)

Nasty who?

I would NEVER promote such a program.... :2 cents:

*LOL*:1orglaugh

I can understand your point and the value of Loyalty. But it's not K.I.S.S enough and to scary for the webmasters out there.

If you would do that I sure hope you have solid affiliate support because they will get bombarded with excuses and complaints and all.

I agree with Rick on RPM... I been calculating every program based on a click value for many years now. If an advertising campaign of a program on my exits as a 0.25cents clicks value over all why would I want to stop...? I will want to send more and more clicks and stay with that sponsor long time.

I have started to show the click value to some of Xtremepay affiliates and what came out of it was only positive. They started to send more clicks to our creative, in results, equaled more sales and more revenues for everyone.

This sentence speaks volumes about the industry as a whole.

Yummy I was about to say... I like the idea, Steve. Anyone who doesn't make money with that model is either lazy or a cheater, pretty much.

Yeah but, you suck, we've been through this. :winkwink:

lazy or a cheater?

maybe, just maybe they moved traffic elsewhere? i've sent more traffic to certain programs over the years, depends on who's converting well and on a variety of other factors.

nothing wrong with thinking outside the box...

but why not just offer a PPS model? and keep all of the rebills for yourself... seems like a lot of money left on the table.. especially since this thread is proving that a partnership program doesn't help webmaster loyalty

and as for your parties.. nothing wrong with throwing a party for your loyal webmasters... screw the freeloaders.. 80% of all traffic is controlled by 20% of the industry anyway.. invite those who really matter.. and who will really do biz with you :2 cents:

What's wrong with leaving the pay scales where they are? I'll tell you what I've noticed.. is the lack of new sites and updates for hosted galleries. You guys started that new gallery program where people send in the galleries.. But it's the same content I've already seen everywhere.

I can't build and submit galleries for your sites because everyone has the same content on their sites already. I can't buy content and use it to sell your sites because all the sites are single girl for the most part, so bought content is useless. If you want to keep webmaster loyalty give me something I can promote with.

You guys always had good converting sites but it's hard to build steady traffic to them with nothing new to promote. just my opinion

Doesnt sound like a good idea

You guys are funny , if you bring more sales you want a higher percentage but if you dont bring the sales you dont want the percentage lowered. lol Thats funny. It should be like insurance sales the less active you are the lower percentage of rebills you get. I feel The affiliate should get almost all the money of the first sale but when it recurs thats the sponsor not the affiliate. You guys are funny you want almost all the sale for life, free hosting , cool parties and prizes. Then get surprised when someone is shaving. lol

well i agree on that point. :)

i didn't respond right away cause i wanted to think about this one. i've found season flucations in my business - i make more in the winter than the sumer - would someone get penalized because of this? general traffic is down as much as 30% in the summer - so i can actually work HARDER - geta 10% increase and get paid less on this program. overall i don't like the idea of it. i can get a good month - and then a bad one too and still be working hard.

loyality in business is based on the program and how it works and the work put into it. lightspeed has shown consistant, long term ability in producing quality work - as long as they continue to do that they will continue to get people to support them. sure some will leave, as people always move on with their lives and grow in their own directions, but new ones will take their place.

my thoughts, you don't need to bribe anyone to use your stuff steve, they use it cause it's quality work - keep the program growing, and keep working hard and recruiting. I'm not saying stop supporting the industry, but do it for the right reasons. I dont' put the kind of money you do into industry events, but i throw a few pennies in here and there - I do it as a thank you for what i already got - not what i'm going to get.

open bars arn't necessary in my mind, the wrong people go to them

With the kind of sites and program Steve has I don't think he ever has to spend another dime on a group event. Hell, he never even has to leave Arizona. When you think teen model you think Lightspeed.

Will this have any affect on the processing fees you deduct from the 60% payouts on checks already? Ya know the fee thats about 10% of the stats payout amount, which makes the actual payout closer to if not lower than 50%...

Feel free to correct me on the actual figures. :winkwink:

Who cares about parties, I pay more attention to check stubs.

gag on my cock.

I dont believe no one cares about the parties if thats the case why do they keep having them , bigger and bigger and they are packed. lol

100 Lightpeed parties! :Graucho

This is pretty much my exact same sentiment.

I have two main issues with Lightspeed .. they're nothing that I would complain openly about, but I feel that they're relevant to this dicussion since Steve is openly asking for ideas, advice and critisisism.

1. Content. I have asked my affiliate manager at LS about purchasing semi-exclusive LS content, with the the rights to use it only for promoting LS sites of course.. just so that I'm on some kind of playing ground when it comes to getting my galleries listed.. and it seems you guys are not open to this.

We obviously can't purchase general teen content to promote Jordan Capri .. we need Jordan Capri content.. but your current system makes it very hard.

The FTP system makes it difficult to determine what content is best to grab and build galleries around. We end up wasting our 400 credits just finding content that's not already been seen a million times.

I say get rid of the FTP system and offer a way for webmasters who are serious about sending traffic a way to get some unseen content.

2. This is moot .. but if you're talking about loyalty .. I have a beef with a 60% revshare program that takes a 10% processing fee. It just seems a little deceptive to me. You're trying to stand out by saying "We pay more!" yet you're just another 50/50 revshare.

3. Multiple tour pages. More sites. LS World, LS 18 etc. are great sites that have converted well for me .. but it's the new single girls that convert the best. Little Troublemaker converted great when she was first launched .. but after building and submitting 30 some galleries and throwing a bunch of hosted galleries up on my TGPs etc. I just can't send much more traffic to the site. New sites will get us sending more traffic.

4. Find ways to appeal to foreign traffic. 10% of my traffic is Chinese. That's not my fault and there's nothing I do about it .. so try to give me something to do with it.

5. To appeal to the smaller guys, like me!, offer corny little prises. Like 5 sign-ups in one week will get an autographed hardcopy photo of Jordan Capri or Tawnee Stone mailed with your next check. You can give out t-shirts, hats, dvds etc. We love free stuff even if it's cheap free stuff! lol

6. Get your bloody rewards program up already! lol

7. Be more open and accepting to your affiliates when it comes to communication. I get the feeling from you guys, when I e-mail or ICQ you, that it's like going through a huge corporation like Microsoft. It takes a while to get a reply and when it finally comes it seems automated and impersonal. I know you must get flooded with e-mail, Steve, but hire more people to assist your affiliates. Provide someone to help out with content, hosted galleries etc.

The most important thing for me to is to get better content to promote you with .. and to get easier access to it. And I'm even willing to pay for it. Some of my sponsors have given me free members access to grab content .. I never ask for that and will never ask for that.. but when they offer it goes a huge way towards getting traffic from me. Those are the sponsors I really push hard to return the favour.

Steve,

I love you baby, but it sounds like you have been taking lessons from the cocksuckers at Adult Check. The only difference under this system is that you are telling the webmasters that you are keeping the rebills before you appropriate them. I'm not down with this at all.

Putting some thought into WM loyalty is good... but not a fan of this system.

I mean make it and give it a shot but leave the 50/50. :)

you let parties blind you.

this is bullshit.

the problem is you think some of us give a fuck about parties?

i know i dont.

ill never attend a lightspeed party, all i care about is the sites, ratios, and checks.

you gonna punish all your webmasters because you like to rent treampolines and throw parties?

i like your set up, please dont fuck us.

:warning

I don?t think that Steve is going to try to do that. It appears that he was testing the waters for this idea.

I think that the main point of this was exchanging the potential for not getting paid out on all of your rebills if you quit sending traffic, for a higher payout on the initial signup and the recurring.

With the full price membership of the LS sites that I had seen at $39.95, the 80% payout is $32, which is comparable to some of the PPS programs?and you would get the same $32 payout on the rebills...

Considering that many members normally cancel during the first month, the overall payout might be better?this appears to be a hybrid of PPS/revenue sharing model.

I don?t think that Steve was just planning to nix the rebills, don?t forget that the payout is larger on the front end

these are all my personal thoughts