Thats a better idea..

.. but really.. keep it fresh and keep innovating and people will keep promoting you. Its as simple as that.

I'm not looking to do anything that's "unfair" to my webmasters. I want to reward them for loyalty. I work hard for them, I want webmasters that work hard for me.

For the same reason you'd scream if I lowered your payouts, imagine how I feel when you stop sending traffic? Seems like people want to be able to rely on a sponsor, but not be reliable themselves!

I want affiliates who want to work with us to build up good long-term sales and retention. Its just good business.

If you can afford to take a month long holiday, you are overpaid already.

are you joking? or just smoking crack?
give me 1 reason why would anyone drop you if they got good ratios and good recurring?
I tried lsc, good recurring, not so good ratios.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You want to reward them? Only bump the percentage UP, not down.

The 1% each month sounds quite attractive if you ask me, especially on the long run.

Just provide a Cash bonus on months with exceptional sales.

So the recurring goes on at a reasonable split, then if X sales are made pay X Money on those new sales + Recurring.

No new sales no cash bonus.

Need an offset with upsell's inside the members though maybe.

sorry, i forgot to shave the click counts so your ratios would look better.

So lets say i push your sponsor with 30k hits per month. And i make 30 sales and the second month i make with the same ammount traffic only 10 sales. You would lower my payouts but i sond the same ammount of hits to you. Would that be fair?

coolio....btw im going to Israel on june 10th...is that ok?

Shut up Oraclepig.

50 Intresting Posts.

oraclepig? are you in 2nd grade son? well i know your brain is.
Dumbass Europeans.

No fighting in my thread!

I'm hoping for some thoughtful debate here.

Me too, That's why i told that boy to shut up.

you are a true idiot. get a clue son. you are a loser with 0 idea of wtf you are doing. dumbfuck.

i'll be loyal to the death for a few sponsors i use. they pay a fair percentage on time - they don't shave me - offer me lots of excellent promo content - and one buys me chili at the local webmaster luncheons.

that's all i really need.

other than the obvious, many times i will eventually drop a sponsor if they don't offer enough promo content, or if they continually dick around with the already posted hosteds - this causes me grief on a few tgp/mgps my parter and i run.

can you guys wait till i get some popcorn?

So what I'm hearing is that new sites with good content that convert and retain, honest payouts, and fair treatment of the webmasters is the way to earn webmaster loyalty?

When you guys are all at the next convention, wondering why there's no open bar and no tits in your face, you can reread this thread.

I just saved 300k! Thanks!


Steve Lightspeed

What do you think about this.

you are treating people like your kids. no one forces you to host any parties, and i couldn't care less if u host any parties or not, if you won't im sure someone else will... a sponsor party will probebly get me to try a sponsor, but if the conversions are not good than fuck the party, i won't promote them because I don't like wasting my traffic. :2 cents:

more sites+exclusive content = loyalty (IMO)

If the great oracleporn says so :1orglaugh

Will you attend their next party, after you've already dropped them with no intention of promoting them again?

I'll admit that we host parties with the hopes of attracting new webmasters. And because its fun.

hehe, a sponsor can throw all the titties and beer at me that they can afford, but if their sites don't work with my traffic (after a very fair test period) i am going to have to dump them and try another one.

the smart webmaster would go on to other parties to network with potential sponsors and new business associates. why waste time with companies you don't want to work with anymore?

If I get invited I sure will, if EVERYONE is going there I sure will, but if there are 5 other parties going on the same night i probebly won't. Its nothing personal its just that your sites dont convert with MY traffic...what i will do is try and work something with you so we both can make money.

There is the point -- most affiliates will dump a sponsor and move on, without a goodbye --- I can't think of many sponsors that wouldn't be willing to work with a loyal affiliate to try to make things better for everyone. If there's something I can do (within reason) that would help everyone, I'd love to hear it.

I want 95%.

Seriously, do webmasters REALLY decide who to promote based on their free booze or tits at a convention ?

No.

yes, alternetive tours.
trials....the option to have pps and revshare on the same account.
ziped content...the ftp thingy is really annoying.

Nope, you are right.

I send my traffic to sites that convert the best not to the companies who have the best webmaster parties.

I want to add something without any kidding. The fact that you're always posting and asking for feedback and communicating with your webmasters is a big PLUS to me. I prefer working with sponsors who are strong with communication.

So I could also take it that you don't care who advertises on a board, or in a magazine? Is word of mouth the only thing you trust? What is the best way to learn about new programs and sites?

Are you willing to work with someone you've never met? What about the trust factor?

no thanks...

"Some people have a way with words, other people.... not have way!" --- Steve Martin

:thumbsup


better yet, give me free hosting - let me make my own tour - and give me the ability to link directly to your join page (sans any cross sales checks).

if i really really like your site and your content i will try out every tour you offer, and if those don't show me the numbers i want to see i'll build my own damned tour and try that.

Let me just tie this in


http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=298663

My stats will proof if the sponsor is ok for me or not.

And i didn't say i dont try new sponsors or dont look at advertises on the boards. I just said i dont care if they giving a $300k webmaster party or not.

so let me get this straight.
you don't want to work with your webmasters but you want webmasters to promote you...am I missing anything?

Steve

I understand where your frustrations come from. However I'm not sure if "penalizing" a webmaster is the right way to approach this. I know that you have awareded your loyal webmasteres by giving away trips... and prizes . In my opinion your already on top of the ball.... And I'm sure those ppl will remember your "thanks" and will continue to send as much productive traffic your way as they can.

Perhaps instead of focusing on illiminating a percentage of profits to those who in your eyes do not rank up with the loyalty factor..... Just continue to award those who do! :thumbsup

Interesting thread!

Whitney :)

LS was letting the sarcasm fly in that other post....

Lightspeed's has a great reputation for the way they're willingness to work with affiliates as well as their honesty.