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Damian_Maxcash · 01-30-2005, 09:41 PM

I must say that even the left wing press here have said that today/yesterday was, overall, a success. From what I have seen a lot of the Middle East DO want democracy.

Has GW won a few of you over?

If I was at 10% pro GW before I may be 11% today... It could come crashing down later though.

RandomNinja · 01-30-2005, 09:42 PM

Nope. Still think he is an ass.

freeadultcontent · 01-30-2005, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001

I must say that even the left wing press here have said that today/yesterday was, overall, a success. From what I have seen a lot of the Middle East DO want democracy.

Has GW won a few of you over?

If I was at 10% pro GW before I may be 11% today... It could come crashing down later though.

Why because Iraq held an election? Nope, I am still of the feeling we never should of invaded another country in the first place. Though I do feel we need to stay and take care of shit since we got our ass envolved.

Icon · 01-30-2005, 09:51 PM

no and never

'democracy' has a new meaning.

xclusive · 01-30-2005, 09:57 PM

Does anybody think that the election was fair?

Raf1 · 01-30-2005, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandomNinja

Nope. Still think he is an ass.

same here

Kevsh · 01-30-2005, 10:07 PM

I wouldn't want to be one of the elected officials. They may as well paint a big red "X" on their chests.

PenisFace · 01-30-2005, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xclusive

Does anybody think that the election was fair?

Hahaha, no.

Damian_Maxcash · 01-30-2005, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xclusive

Does anybody think that the election was fair?

Of course not.... but the last election, and it was compulsory to vote, was in Iraq

The only option was Sadam.... and most of them have only known that option.

I still hate Bush but he turned my head today... nothing more

freeadultcontent · 01-30-2005, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xclusive

Does anybody think that the election was fair?

Potentially more fair than ours is (no I am not disputing Bush won with our electorial system).

RRACY · 01-30-2005, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001

I must say that even the left wing press here have said that today/yesterday was, overall, a success. From what I have seen a lot of the Middle East DO want democracy.

Has GW won a few of you over?

If I was at 10% pro GW before I may be 11% today... It could come crashing down later though.

If democracy holds up in Iraq it will set a good example for other arab countries.

TheJimmy · 01-30-2005, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRACY

If democracy holds up in Iraq it will set a good example for other arab countries.

agreed, but the nature of Islam would hold that theocracies RULE....

same in the US as of late...either you believe and love the MAN/GOD hay-sus or you are a fucking EVIL-DOER...

RRACY · 01-30-2005, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJimmy

agreed, but the nature of Islam would hold that theocracies RULE....

same in the US as of late...either you believe and love the MAN/GOD hay-sus or you are a fucking EVIL-DOER...

The other arab nations will be looking at the success or failure of the new government. Hopefully Bush doesn't get nuts and invade Iran. Enough is enough already.

FunForOne · 01-30-2005, 10:30 PM

The way I see it is that Past Presidents, world leaders, religious leaders and even misguided rappers have been talking about peace in the middle east for 100 years it seems.

Until recently, it has been all talk.

Finally, someone has started the process to bring peace to that part of the globe.

To say starting that war was the wrong way to do it is like telling your surgeon to remove your tumor witout using a scapel.

The world will be different from now on.

Axeman · 01-30-2005, 10:32 PM

hold an election is easy. people still died, and people still voted. Now lets see if any new government has any power over the people, or if its another afghanastan where the leader is limited to the city of Kubal or risk being killed. thats the hard part.

Icon · 01-30-2005, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunForOne

The way I see it is that Past Presidents, world leaders, religious leaders and even misguided rappers have been talking about peace in the middle east for 100 years it seems.

Until recently, it has been all talk.

Finally, someone has started the process to bring peace to that part of the globe.

To say starting that war was the wrong way to do it is like telling your surgeon to remove your tumor witout using a scapel.

The world will be different from now on.

Interesting point of view.......good idea. The only issue is that GWB is not the person to do it. Who then? mother T? Princess Di? Howard Stern? Ali G?

Der Schleicher · 01-30-2005, 10:33 PM

Well the result is yet to be seen. not yet.

DaddyHalbucks · 01-30-2005, 10:38 PM

damian2001 wrote:

I must say that even the left wing press here have said that today/yesterday was, overall, a success. From what I have seen a lot of the Middle East DO want democracy.

Has GW won a few of you over?
++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes, I would get on my knees for GWB.

Iraqi citizens and expatriates were crying tears of joy about being able to vote, saying that it was one of the greatest days of their country.

We take way too much for granted here in the USA.

Icon · 01-30-2005, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Yes, I would get on my knees for GWB.

Iraqi citizens and expatriates were crying tears of joy about being able to vote, saying that it was one of the greatest days of their country.

We take way too much for granted here in the USA.

That was on Fox or CNN?

FunForOne · 01-30-2005, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icon

Interesting point of view.......good idea. The only issue is that GWB is not the person to do it. Who then? mother T? Princess Di? Howard Stern? Ali G?

President Bush has done a hell of a job so far.

Imagine, a president that says what he is going to do and then does it.

Half the country is longing for the days that their president embarassed them by molesting fat thong wearing interns inbetween opportunities to cut the military budget.

Icon · 01-30-2005, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunForOne

President Bush has done a hell of a job so far.

Imagine, a president that says what he is going to do and then does it.

Half the country is longing for the days that their president embarassed them by molesting fat thong wearing interns inbetween opportunities to cut the military budget.

I agree. It's only too bad that Iraq will be pillaged for resources and left to fend for themselves. If all proceeds were to be re-invested into Iraq, this would be a VERY different affair. Unfortunately, this nation is being sold off in chunks. Ultimate model (Manifestation?) of privitization. where does that leave the citizens? Naomi Klien wrote a very insightful article in Iraq about the reality - Factories cannot get materials, workers are laid off, 'insurgents' (people who want dignity and food) rise. you can't leave citizens out of the process. by allowing outside people (Haliburton and other multinationals) to set up shop and exclude the very people they 'set free'.

But I agree. Bush did what he said he would. I wish he hadn't lied about the reasons.

rambler · 01-30-2005, 11:33 PM

So just because the Iraqies had an election , you guys figure killing 100,000+ innocent people (along with spending billions of $$$) is justified ?

Didn't the US try to install a US friendly gov. in Iran in the 60's (the Shah)?

Do you really think that even if democracy holds in Iraq (which, BTW could take decades) that the Royal-dictators of the world will all of a sudden relenquish their powers?

Another consequence of this is that now you have a majority (shiite) in power over a minority (sunni)... as time goes along the majority is gonna bear a grudge against the minority (see Rawanda 1994) and commit mass genocide.

Anyways I hope it(democracy) sticks so all this crap won't be in vain.

And GWB is still an idiot.

reynold · 01-30-2005, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001

I must say that even the left wing press here have said that today/yesterday was, overall, a success. From what I have seen a lot of the Middle East DO want democracy.

Has GW won a few of you over?

If I was at 10% pro GW before I may be 11% today... It could come crashing down later though.

Not yet. I still think the country is unstable.

jukeboxfrank · 01-30-2005, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunForOne

President Bush has done a hell of a job so far.

Imagine, a president that says what he is going to do and then does it.

Half the country is longing for the days that their president embarassed them by molesting fat thong wearing interns inbetween opportunities to cut the military budget.

so true... I for one am glad someone is doing something. too leave it as it was is to just sit back and hope for the best........ya that would have worked.

smack · 01-30-2005, 11:55 PM

the success of this expirement will be measured in the longevity of a stable governmental system in iraq.

jukeboxfrank · 01-30-2005, 11:57 PM

before the flames start all I have to say is those people went to the polls even under treat of death. how many of you would vote in your own country if you had that shit over your head? That shows me those people really want this and are willing to do what it takes to have change in their country.

The Sultan Of Smut · 01-31-2005, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambler

Didn't the US try to install a US friendly gov. in Iran in the 60's (the Shah)?

Yup, and that was after Iran had a thriving democracy but were giving too much business to the British.

devilspost · 01-31-2005, 12:09 AM

I wonder how many "votes" where held in Vietnam during the US occupation?

Joe Citizen · 01-31-2005, 12:17 AM

Anyone who thinks that this is the beginning of a fairytale Iraqi democracy is quite deluded.

For the forseeable future Iraq is going to become as war torn as Afghanistan has been for the last 50 years. In the long run the victims are still going to be the Iraqi people who have just had several generations of civil war thrust upon them by Dubya et al.

Once this puppet government is installed the west is going to start sucking the oil out of Iraq and the Iraqi people will get nothing.

venus · 01-31-2005, 12:39 AM

it was not a success, its all hype, did you watch the news last week?

last week they said 40% of those eligeble to vote registered, for the election, 60% of those who registered voted. so the total percentage who actually voted that were eligeble is actually was pretty low.

venus · 01-31-2005, 12:43 AM

ya imagine that, I cant remember, why was it we invaded Iraq ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunForOne

President Bush has done a hell of a job so far.

Imagine, a president that says what he is going to do and then does it.

Half the country is longing for the days that their president embarassed them by molesting fat thong wearing interns inbetween opportunities to cut the military budget.

Centurion · 01-31-2005, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRACY

If democracy holds up in Iraq it will set a good example for other arab countries.

You mean as long as their are tens of thousands of American troops, armored vehicles & tanks surrounding all the polling places everytime there is an election.

Centurion · 01-31-2005, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunForOne

The way I see it is that Past Presidents, world leaders, religious leaders and even misguided rappers have been talking about peace in the middle east for 100 years it seems.

Until recently, it has been all talk.

Finally, someone has started the process to bring peace to that part of the globe.

To say starting that war was the wrong way to do it is like telling your surgeon to remove your tumor witout using a scapel.

The world will be different from now on.

Good one!

Centurion · 01-31-2005, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunForOne

President Bush has done a hell of a job so far.

Imagine, a president that says what he is going to do and then does it.

Half the country is longing for the days that their president embarassed them by molesting fat thong wearing interns inbetween opportunities to cut the military budget.

Late breaking news recycled again by Fox News!

Centurion · 01-31-2005, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambler

So just because the Iraqies had an election , you guys figure killing 100,000+ innocent people (along with spending billions of $$$) is justified ?

Didn't the US try to install a US friendly gov. in Iran in the 60's (the Shah)?

Do you really think that even if democracy holds in Iraq (which, BTW could take decades) that the Royal-dictators of the world will all of a sudden relenquish their powers?

Another consequence of this is that now you have a majority (shiite) in power over a minority (sunni)... as time goes along the majority is gonna bear a grudge against the minority (see Rawanda 1994) and commit mass genocide.

Anyways I hope it(democracy) sticks so all this crap won't be in vain.

And GWB is still an idiot.

At least in Iran, they were able to do the overthrow with just the CIA & Iran's military..didn't have to send U.S. troops into that country then.

TheMob · 01-31-2005, 01:30 AM

He's prep'ing us for Iran

kane · 01-31-2005, 02:32 AM

for me I am a bit of a pessimist. Not about Bush in this case ( although I still don't like him ) but about the future of the region.

Worst case scenerio: The radical shiites vote in a majority who will then put a radical in the presidents office ( or whatever they are going to call the head fo the country ) and he tells the US to get the hell out. So we have little choice then but to leave. So the radicals are in charge the insurgence continues and eventually either this leader or one that overthrows this leader and takes over runs the country like a dictatorship and we are pretty much back to square 1 again.

best case scenerio: the Iraqi people elect a resonable representive. They have some shiites and some sunniis and some kurds and they put a moderate into the presidents office and over the next 12-24 months we can pull all of our troops out of there. This is good for us, but make no mistake this will not bring democracy to the middle east. The middle east has two things that we, and much of the world, do not have. 1. an obscene seperation of wealth. Most countries there have little or no middle class there are the very rich and the very poor and with that comes a huge seperation in quality of eductation. The very poor learn to count and read the Koran, the very rich come to america and go to harvard to lean how to run the country. And 2. the government still controls the TV and Radio and Press. Do you think the stories of Iraqi democracy are making it to Joe Arab sitting in his mud brick house in Western Syria? No, but he is being told how bad we are. While Iraq may have something that, at least somewhat, resembles a democracy they will still be looked upon by many of the other arab nations as puppet of the United States. In the end what we do in Iraq will have little effect on the rest of the middle east because when it's all over we still back Isreal and to the arabs Isreal = the devil which makes us the devils best friend.

I hopeful for peace someday but I am a realist. That part of the world has known nothing but blood and violence since the begining of recorded history. there is no reason to belive it will change now.

flashfire · 01-31-2005, 02:40 AM

I dont really trust how the election was run

project_naughty · 01-31-2005, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xclusive

Does anybody think that the election was fair?

Well, the UN and all the observers seem to think it was fair. And then there's the Iraqis too.

Mr Pheer · 01-31-2005, 02:52 AM

damn, they just showed this on cnn, fuckin unbelievable... nukes found in iraq

http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/30/iraq.nukes/index.html

project_naughty · 01-31-2005, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambler

So just because the Iraqies had an election , you guys figure killing 100,000+ innocent people (along with spending billions of $$$) is justified ?

Didn't the US try to install a US friendly gov. in Iran in the 60's (the Shah)?

Do you really think that even if democracy holds in Iraq (which, BTW could take decades) that the Royal-dictators of the world will all of a sudden relenquish their powers?

Another consequence of this is that now you have a majority (shiite) in power over a minority (sunni)... as time goes along the majority is gonna bear a grudge against the minority (see Rawanda 1994) and commit mass genocide.

Anyways I hope it(democracy) sticks so all this crap won't be in vain.

And GWB is still an idiot.

You're an idiot, I'll give you that.

Dead civilians = about 8000-12000, mostly killed by the "insurgents" (Islamists and Socialists funded in the most part by Iran and Syria).

What happened in 60s Iran is different to now, you simpleton.

A direct effect of the Iraq War was that Colonel Gadaffi of Libya shat his pants and decided to "play ball".

And how you come to the conclusion that there is going to be Shiite on Sunni genocide is beyond me.

You actually WANT democracy to fail in Iraq, because you are a village idiot.

project_naughty · 01-31-2005, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icon

I agree. It's only too bad that Iraq will be pillaged for resources and left to fend for themselves. If all proceeds were to be re-invested into Iraq, this would be a VERY different affair. Unfortunately, this nation is being sold off in chunks. Ultimate model (Manifestation?) of privitization. where does that leave the citizens? Naomi Klien wrote a very insightful article in Iraq about the reality - Factories cannot get materials, workers are laid off, 'insurgents' (people who want dignity and food) rise. you can't leave citizens out of the process. by allowing outside people (Haliburton and other multinationals) to set up shop and exclude the very people they 'set free'.

But I agree. Bush did what he said he would. I wish he hadn't lied about the reasons.

Christ. More ill-informed drivel.

The country is not going to be "pillaged" as you say. Nor are the Iraqis going to be left to fend for themselves. Iraq has never had a major manufacturing base. "Insurgents" are not looking for dignity and food - they want to install an Islamic Caliphate in which women are oppressed and Jews and Christians are made into virtual slaves.

The main reason for the invasion was regime change. This was not given as the main reason, because the Governments calculated (rightly, as it happens), that a large part of their populations would be too dumb to understand.

Mojiteaux · 01-31-2005, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRACY

If democracy holds up in Iraq it will set a good example for other arab countries.

If democracy holds truly up in Iraq it will turn into an islamic state like Iran.
To avoid this and therefore true democracy the results will be scammed.

Damian_Maxcash · 01-31-2005, 06:36 AM

A couple of well thought out posts here........

I wasnt going to let it drop of the first page yet

Bump

naitirps · 01-31-2005, 06:40 AM

there really is no dif...

if saddam was still in power and they asked them that question, they'd all say "dictatorship, saddam owns!" so their ass wouldn't be killed

now that hes out, and its full of fucking US troops up the fucking ass asking that question, "yes, democracy!" or they'll get owned

regardless, same shit really lol

media · 01-31-2005, 06:43 AM

I support our troops that are over there doing good and right every day, I do not support the idiot that sent and keeps them over there to do his bidding...

I look forward to the day that the very last soldier gets on a plane to head back home..

DomBuyer · 01-31-2005, 06:44 AM

It's absolutely too early to say anything about all this. Voting does not a democracy make. And saying "it's a first step" is just blah blah blah.

It comes down to let's wait and see..

sonofsam · 01-31-2005, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPheer

damn, they just showed this on cnn, fuckin unbelievable... nukes found in iraq

http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/30/iraq.nukes/index.html

if it makes you feel any better, i fell for it

BRISK · 01-31-2005, 06:50 AM

It's still too unstable to feel good about. If America & friends can pull troups out and shit doesn't go to hell, then I'll feel better.

FunForOne · 01-31-2005, 06:52 AM

I have a serious question.

A lot of people, I presume foreigners and democrats in this country refer the US as being greedy. One post suggested that the US is setting up a puppet government in Iraq to steal the oil.

If that is your argument, what is your opinion on all the money that the US gives out all over the world.

Isn't the US the most benevolent country in the world?

How can that be associated with greed?

01-30-2005, 09:41 PM	#1
Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	Do u feel better about Iraq now? I must say that even the left wing press here have said that today/yesterday was, overall, a success. From what I have seen a lot of the Middle East DO want democracy. Has GW won a few of you over? If I was at 10% pro GW before I may be 11% today... It could come crashing down later though.

01-30-2005, 09:42 PM	#2
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01-30-2005, 10:30 PM	#14
FunForOne Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 8,704	The way I see it is that Past Presidents, world leaders, religious leaders and even misguided rappers have been talking about peace in the middle east for 100 years it seems. Until recently, it has been all talk. Finally, someone has started the process to bring peace to that part of the globe. To say starting that war was the wrong way to do it is like telling your surgeon to remove your tumor witout using a scapel. The world will be different from now on.

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01-30-2005, 11:33 PM	#22
rambler Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 745	So just because the Iraqies had an election , you guys figure killing 100,000+ innocent people (along with spending billions of $$$) is justified ? Didn't the US try to install a US friendly gov. in Iran in the 60's (the Shah)? Do you really think that even if democracy holds in Iraq (which, BTW could take decades) that the Royal-dictators of the world will all of a sudden relenquish their powers? Another consequence of this is that now you have a majority (shiite) in power over a minority (sunni)... as time goes along the majority is gonna bear a grudge against the minority (see Rawanda 1994) and commit mass genocide. Anyways I hope it(democracy) sticks so all this crap won't be in vain. And GWB is still an idiot.

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Joe Citizen Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,552	Anyone who thinks that this is the beginning of a fairytale Iraqi democracy is quite deluded. For the forseeable future Iraq is going to become as war torn as Afghanistan has been for the last 50 years. In the long run the victims are still going to be the Iraqi people who have just had several generations of civil war thrust upon them by Dubya et al. Once this puppet government is installed the west is going to start sucking the oil out of Iraq and the Iraqi people will get nothing.

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venus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Phoenix, Az Posts: 3,112	it was not a success, its all hype, did you watch the news last week? last week they said 40% of those eligeble to vote registered, for the election, 60% of those who registered voted. so the total percentage who actually voted that were eligeble is actually was pretty low. __________________ Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program Since 1997 www.venuscash.com

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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	for me I am a bit of a pessimist. Not about Bush in this case ( although I still don't like him ) but about the future of the region. Worst case scenerio: The radical shiites vote in a majority who will then put a radical in the presidents office ( or whatever they are going to call the head fo the country ) and he tells the US to get the hell out. So we have little choice then but to leave. So the radicals are in charge the insurgence continues and eventually either this leader or one that overthrows this leader and takes over runs the country like a dictatorship and we are pretty much back to square 1 again. best case scenerio: the Iraqi people elect a resonable representive. They have some shiites and some sunniis and some kurds and they put a moderate into the presidents office and over the next 12-24 months we can pull all of our troops out of there. This is good for us, but make no mistake this will not bring democracy to the middle east. The middle east has two things that we, and much of the world, do not have. 1. an obscene seperation of wealth. Most countries there have little or no middle class there are the very rich and the very poor and with that comes a huge seperation in quality of eductation. The very poor learn to count and read the Koran, the very rich come to america and go to harvard to lean how to run the country. And 2. the government still controls the TV and Radio and Press. Do you think the stories of Iraqi democracy are making it to Joe Arab sitting in his mud brick house in Western Syria? No, but he is being told how bad we are. While Iraq may have something that, at least somewhat, resembles a democracy they will still be looked upon by many of the other arab nations as puppet of the United States. In the end what we do in Iraq will have little effect on the rest of the middle east because when it's all over we still back Isreal and to the arabs Isreal = the devil which makes us the devils best friend. I hopeful for peace someday but I am a realist. That part of the world has known nothing but blood and violence since the begining of recorded history. there is no reason to belive it will change now. Last edited by kane; 01-31-2005 at 02:35 AM..

01-31-2005, 02:40 AM	#38
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Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	A couple of well thought out posts here........ I wasnt going to let it drop of the first page yet Bump

01-31-2005, 06:40 AM	#45
naitirps Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: ... Posts: 761	there really is no dif... if saddam was still in power and they asked them that question, they'd all say "dictatorship, saddam owns!" so their ass wouldn't be killed now that hes out, and its full of fucking US troops up the fucking ass asking that question, "yes, democracy!" or they'll get owned regardless, same shit really lol __________________ Programmer ICQ 44035273 \| AIM spritwork \| Email spritian at spritian dot com

01-31-2005, 06:43 AM	#46
media Confirmed Moneymaker Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Eugene, OR It's Like Jail, Only with Trees! Posts: 9,852	I support our troops that are over there doing good and right every day, I do not support the idiot that sent and keeps them over there to do his bidding... I look forward to the day that the very last soldier gets on a plane to head back home.. __________________ I'm here for the violence!

01-31-2005, 06:44 AM	#47
DomBuyer Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Amalfi Coast Posts: 2,595	It's absolutely too early to say anything about all this. Voting does not a democracy make. And saying "it's a first step" is just blah blah blah. It comes down to let's wait and see..

01-31-2005, 06:50 AM	#49
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	It's still too unstable to feel good about. If America & friends can pull troups out and shit doesn't go to hell, then I'll feel better. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

01-31-2005, 06:52 AM	#50
FunForOne Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 8,704	I have a serious question. A lot of people, I presume foreigners and democrats in this country refer the US as being greedy. One post suggested that the US is setting up a puppet government in Iraq to steal the oil. If that is your argument, what is your opinion on all the money that the US gives out all over the world. Isn't the US the most benevolent country in the world? How can that be associated with greed?