No matter how honest the sponsor, the affiliate still gets the screw (somewhat) - GoFuckYourself.com

BVF · 05-17-2004, 12:42 PM

Surfer is at work, clicks on a nastydollars gallery. Gets turned on by the captain stabbin site. He can't join while at work so he waits till he gets home, types in captainstabbin.com and signs up.

(affiliate screwed)

Surfer is at home, gets a tent in his pants from Little April, whips out credit card out to join but it's declined. Surfer sends in credit card payment. Signs up to whack off to little april a a week later when the payment is credited.

(affiliate screwed)

Surfer sees link to any site and likes it but wants to check the site out for awhile to make sure it's still around. He bookmarks the straight typein of the site...three months later, the sponsor puts up a girl that gives that bookmarking surfer a boner and he signs up.

(affiliate screwed)

I haven't done the math on it (and I can't), but there has to be a mathematical formula for the odds of a surfer signing up through an affiliate link and signing up after bookmarking it....Therefore the 1:400 or whatever ratios aren't really mathematically accurate UNLESS it's the site owner...

Either way, no matter how honest the sponsor is, the affiliate can still get screwed by so many different circumstances that are beyond anybody's control....

This is why 200 hits can equal a signup to my own site and why an affiliate can send 200 hits and get jack shit..This is also the explanation for why some owners are really converting but nobody believes them because the affiliates ratios are different.

Or maybe this is just some good shit i'm smoking right now.

Devilporn · 05-17-2004, 12:44 PM

Very interesting point of view here

EviLGuY · 05-17-2004, 12:45 PM

Thats very true. I've probably lost thousands of signups over the years that way.

bdld · 05-17-2004, 12:47 PM

its true, thats just the way it is.

Easton · 05-17-2004, 12:47 PM

all quite possible

BlackCrayon · 05-17-2004, 12:49 PM

i always thought the same thing.

TheFrog · 05-17-2004, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EviLGuY
Thats very true. I've probably lost thousands of signups over the years that way.

maybe not thousands for me

AdultDesigners · 05-17-2004, 12:53 PM

Surfer is at work, clicks on a nastydollars gallery. Gets turned on by the captain stabbin site. He can't join while at work so he waits till he gets home, types in captainstabbin.com and signs up.

Stupid Question :
Why can he see the nastydollars gallery and not join the captain ?

V_RocKs · 05-17-2004, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AdultDesigners
Surfer is at work, clicks on a nastydollars gallery. Gets turned on by the captain stabbin site. He can't join while at work so he waits till he gets home, types in captainstabbin.com and signs up.

Stupid Question :
Why can he see the nastydollars gallery and not join the captain ?

Because he is on company time and doesn't want to whip out the CC and join up, just wants to pass away 5 minutes seeing what is out there so the home time can be better spent jacking off...

If you don't like the odds, stop sending traffic... haha...

Perhaps we should have a stop sending traffic day where we don't send the sponsors a single hit and see if it is even noticed?

BVF · 05-17-2004, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AdultDesigners

Stupid Question :
Why can he see the nastydollars gallery and not join the captain ?

Can't watch a porn video while sitting in a cubicle at work
Credit card is in his desk at home cause he doesn't carry them
Doesn't want to use his card at work
Needs to wait so he can use wifes/sons/mistresses card
Saw the gallery at 4:30 pm and he gets off at 5
etc. etc. and et muthafuckin CETERA

WarChild · 05-17-2004, 12:59 PM

I think it gets worse if surfers have their cookies turned off.

I look at the bottom line myself. Either a given sponsor makes enough money on X ammount of hits, or it doesn't. I don't even try to figure what i'm losing.

Daymon

stevent37 · 05-17-2004, 12:59 PM

I think about that every time I see a sponsor banner with the url to the paysie printed on it. I refuse to use those but It probably doesnt matter

SetTheWorldonFire · 05-17-2004, 01:01 PM

interesting thread

Reak · 05-17-2004, 01:03 PM

Like i always say: Shit Happends

dropped9 · 05-17-2004, 01:05 PM

Nice thread. Not much one can do about this though... Tis one of the reasons programs pps...

BVF · 05-17-2004, 01:08 PM

22% to 25% of my daily traffic is bookmark traffic. So that means that the affiliate is at least at a 25% DISADVANTAGE by sending me the same amount of traffic.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-17-2004, 01:15 PM

Well a cheap fix to the book mark code can carry an Affiliate ID.
Couple tweaks and it can be done.

But don't expect any clammoring action from the sponsors on this.

PR_Dave · 05-17-2004, 01:16 PM

If I click on one of my sponsor links:

http://www.awesomeinterracial.com/ft...ndex.html?cf=1

And the surfer clicks bookmark/ add to favorites.

My code gets saved in their favorites, so I get credit for the sale if they come back via their favorites.

Ecstasy Glass · 05-17-2004, 01:57 PM

Can't win 'em all dude

mindoza · 05-17-2004, 02:03 PM

Got to live somewhere in the happy medium.

In a industry where i wash your back if you wash mine seems to work you just have to figure you are going to have to give up to get some. just have to find the right match up!

magicmike · 05-17-2004, 02:10 PM

I wouldn't say the affiliate is screwed.

All that is factored into payouts that wm's receive.

If programs didn't get those "Free" sales then payouts would be lower.

Simple as that.

stev0 · 05-17-2004, 02:12 PM

yeah, that's true... but i guess that's just how things go.

Shap · 05-17-2004, 02:16 PM

MagicMike is dead on. It's all part of the formula used to pay webmasters. The webmaster may not get direct credit for those sales but in the end they are paid out as a result of those sales. I'd say in most cases affiliates are fairly rewarded for the traffic they send. I say this as someone who has been on both ends of this deal, as an affiliate that has sent 10000s of signups over the years and as a paysite owner paying out webmasters.

TheDoc · 05-17-2004, 02:22 PM

On the grand scale of things a single webmaster is not going to have people that want the site now, dont' buy, and come back later by typing it in and join. The % of this would be so low that you would never notice it. A very large traffic sending webmaster, may have a higher chance of this happening.

You have a higher % of surfers that right click, copy link location, paste in the URL bar and remove the referring ID. Which is still a rather low %.

On pretty much any program if a visitor clicks bookmark it saves the webmaster ID. Most programs that have BOOKMARK NOW writin on the site also pass in the webmaster ID.

The largest error a webmaster will have is from people CHANGING the url in the browser.

Once you are on my tours the URL bar has a linking code that looks like. http://www1.bustyamateurboobs.com/01/?nats=MzoyOjI

The % of surfers that REMOVE the 01/?nats=MzoyOjI and go back to the warning page is crazy. Our program keeps track either way, MANY don't.

gornyhuy · 05-17-2004, 02:57 PM

Start your own paysites!

Abyss_Vee · 05-17-2004, 03:02 PM

Thats why most sponsors should give BONUS's like for every 10 signups,, 1 free signup... or something like that to fill the gap

stev0 · 05-17-2004, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
Thats why most sponsors should give BONUS's like for every 10 signups,, 1 free signup... or something like that to fill the gap

Alot do have bonus programs... personally i'd rather just have a higher payout.

beemk · 05-17-2004, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by magicmike
I wouldn't say the affiliate is screwed.

All that is factored into payouts that wm's receive.

If programs didn't get those "Free" sales then payouts would be lower.

Simple as that.

no shit. thats how pps programs can afford to pay so much per signup, well one of the reasons anyways.

bigdog · 05-17-2004, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by magicmike
I wouldn't say the affiliate is screwed.

All that is factored into payouts that wm's receive.

If programs didn't get those "Free" sales then payouts would be lower.

Simple as that.

exactly i was about to say the same thing

scoreman · 05-17-2004, 03:16 PM

You are discounting the fact that the site owners shoulder risks to capital that you never participate in. Like for example we spend $2700 to get a shoot together then it washes out because of a model flaking or the male component has hardware failure. Or we have a camera that is dropped and broken and cost $1800 to replace. Those are two quick examples but the list goeson and on and on.

I think the key is that you find a program that does try to distribute payments fairly and timely and has stability and long term planning. In a perfect world there would be no problems, a $30 sale would always be shared by all parties, but since we do not live in a perfect world I would try to make the best of it through choosing your partners with consideration to character and longevity as well as how high the payout chart is.

Nyght · 05-17-2004, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevent37
I think about that every time I see a sponsor banner with the url to the paysie printed on it. I refuse to use those but It probably doesnt matter

I have always disliked and avoided those kinds of banners.

Calvinguy · 05-17-2004, 03:38 PM

affilliates are slaves... live with it

twistyneck · 05-17-2004, 03:47 PM

This is one of the main reasons you've got to start your own paysite. There is a reason sponsors put theirsite.com on all the banners you know and it isn't to get sales for you.

BVF · 05-17-2004, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scoreman
You are discounting the fact that the site owners shoulder risks to capital that you never participate in. Like for example we spend $2700 to get a shoot together then it washes out because of a model flaking or the male component has hardware failure. Or we have a camera that is dropped and broken and cost $1800 to replace. Those are two quick examples but the list goeson and on and on.

You're correct about all of that but I'm talking strictly about the MATHEMATICS of a surfer clicking on a sponsor link and the odds whether he will join now or join later...Like you can have one situation to why a surfer may not join and there are numerous permutations that can lead up to that same one reason. (ex. Doesn't sign up now because #1 card declined, #2 card is at home, #3, #4, etc. And for those reasons alone, when a site owner says they are getting 1:350 conversions, he isn't taking into account the bookmark traffic and typein traffic while the affiliate doesn't get to benefit from that kind of traffic to a site that he/she doesn't own.

The risks that the program owner takes are much higher than what the webmaster takes. That's a given.

StRoGE · 05-17-2004, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck
This is one of the main reasons you've got to start your own paysite. There is a reason sponsors put theirsite.com on all the banners you know and it isn't to get sales for you.

No, but its not specifically to screw the affilliates either in most cases. Its just to get the name out there for notability. If its a name that the surfer has heard before or remembers then its usually a little easier for them to trust it when they whip out their wallet.

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05-17-2004, 12:42 PM	#1
BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	No matter how honest the sponsor, the affiliate still gets the screw (somewhat) Surfer is at work, clicks on a nastydollars gallery. Gets turned on by the captain stabbin site. He can't join while at work so he waits till he gets home, types in captainstabbin.com and signs up. (affiliate screwed) Surfer is at home, gets a tent in his pants from Little April, whips out credit card out to join but it's declined. Surfer sends in credit card payment. Signs up to whack off to little april a a week later when the payment is credited. (affiliate screwed) Surfer sees link to any site and likes it but wants to check the site out for awhile to make sure it's still around. He bookmarks the straight typein of the site...three months later, the sponsor puts up a girl that gives that bookmarking surfer a boner and he signs up. (affiliate screwed) I haven't done the math on it (and I can't), but there has to be a mathematical formula for the odds of a surfer signing up through an affiliate link and signing up after bookmarking it....Therefore the 1:400 or whatever ratios aren't really mathematically accurate UNLESS it's the site owner... Either way, no matter how honest the sponsor is, the affiliate can still get screwed by so many different circumstances that are beyond anybody's control.... This is why 200 hits can equal a signup to my own site and why an affiliate can send 200 hits and get jack shit..This is also the explanation for why some owners are really converting but nobody believes them because the affiliates ratios are different. Or maybe this is just some good shit i'm smoking right now. __________________ Black Pussy Click On Mr Cosby..CCbill, 60/40, 136 FHG's....The Cos Loves Black Ghetto Pussy!!

05-17-2004, 12:44 PM	#2
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05-17-2004, 12:47 PM	#4
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	its true, thats just the way it is.

05-17-2004, 12:59 PM	#11
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	I think it gets worse if surfers have their cookies turned off. I look at the bottom line myself. Either a given sponsor makes enough money on X ammount of hits, or it doesn't. I don't even try to figure what i'm losing. Daymon

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stevent37 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 266	I think about that every time I see a sponsor banner with the url to the paysie printed on it. I refuse to use those but It probably doesnt matter

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dropped9 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Your moms box Posts: 26,727	Nice thread. Not much one can do about this though... Tis one of the reasons programs pps...

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magicmike Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: JustPorno Posts: 2,384	I wouldn't say the affiliate is screwed. All that is factored into payouts that wm's receive. If programs didn't get those "Free" sales then payouts would be lower. Simple as that. __________________ Just Porno with both classic and mobile porn versions. Gay Porn Our mega gay site tranny porn

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stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	yeah, that's true... but i guess that's just how things go.

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Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	MagicMike is dead on. It's all part of the formula used to pay webmasters. The webmaster may not get direct credit for those sales but in the end they are paid out as a result of those sales. I'd say in most cases affiliates are fairly rewarded for the traffic they send. I say this as someone who has been on both ends of this deal, as an affiliate that has sent 10000s of signups over the years and as a paysite owner paying out webmasters.

05-17-2004, 02:22 PM	#24
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	On the grand scale of things a single webmaster is not going to have people that want the site now, dont' buy, and come back later by typing it in and join. The % of this would be so low that you would never notice it. A very large traffic sending webmaster, may have a higher chance of this happening. You have a higher % of surfers that right click, copy link location, paste in the URL bar and remove the referring ID. Which is still a rather low %. On pretty much any program if a visitor clicks bookmark it saves the webmaster ID. Most programs that have BOOKMARK NOW writin on the site also pass in the webmaster ID. The largest error a webmaster will have is from people CHANGING the url in the browser. Once you are on my tours the URL bar has a linking code that looks like. http://www1.bustyamateurboobs.com/01/?nats=MzoyOjI The % of surfers that REMOVE the 01/?nats=MzoyOjI and go back to the warning page is crazy. Our program keeps track either way, MANY don't. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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Abyss_Vee Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,208	Thats why most sponsors should give BONUS's like for every 10 signups,, 1 free signup... or something like that to fill the gap

05-17-2004, 03:16 PM	#30
scoreman Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,491	You are discounting the fact that the site owners shoulder risks to capital that you never participate in. Like for example we spend $2700 to get a shoot together then it washes out because of a model flaking or the male component has hardware failure. Or we have a camera that is dropped and broken and cost $1800 to replace. Those are two quick examples but the list goeson and on and on. I think the key is that you find a program that does try to distribute payments fairly and timely and has stability and long term planning. In a perfect world there would be no problems, a $30 sale would always be shared by all parties, but since we do not live in a perfect world I would try to make the best of it through choosing your partners with consideration to character and longevity as well as how high the payout chart is. __________________

05-17-2004, 03:38 PM	#32
Calvinguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,752	affilliates are slaves... live with it

05-17-2004, 03:47 PM	#33
twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	This is one of the main reasons you've got to start your own paysite. There is a reason sponsors put theirsite.com on all the banners you know and it isn't to get sales for you.