Powell asserts U.S. would go if asked by Iraq - GoFuckYourself.com

Corleone · 05-15-2004, 06:56 AM

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...8674295.htm?1c

WASHINGTON - Pressed by foreign ministers to define clearly how much power the United States will cede to an interim Iraqi government June 30, Secretary of State Colin Powell said Friday that if the as-yet-unnamed government asks the United States to withdraw its troops, the United States will do so.

Powell is the most senior administration official yet to state that even an interim, appointed Iraqi government would have the power to dismiss 135,000 U.S. soldiers if it so chose. But he also indicated that he believes the prospects are highly unlikely.

Babel · 05-15-2004, 06:58 AM

Riiiiiiiight

Manowar · 05-15-2004, 06:59 AM

so their troops getting shot at/captured/killed isn't an invitation to leave ?

Babel · 05-15-2004, 06:59 AM

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Originally posted by Manowar
so their troops getting shot at/captured/killed isn't an invitation to leave ?

No, thats an invitatino to get "Pacified"

Corleone · 05-15-2004, 07:16 AM

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._govern15.html

i hope they'll leave

DR_PHIL · 05-15-2004, 07:21 AM

cool..cant wait for that

ADL Colin · 05-15-2004, 07:22 AM

The UK, Italy and Japan all said the same thing.

llabtaem · 05-15-2004, 07:25 AM

It might be a bad decision to just LEAVE them in the state of turmoil that they are involved in right now. The US staterd this "mess" so I assume we should finish it. This is is what the US did back in the 80's in Afghanistan and that is one of the reasons they hate us now. We went in, we helped the Afghans get Russia the fuck out, and then we left them in rubble. No help, no nothing.

I'd love to see all of our troops home, but at this stage of the game I find it nearly impossible to do so. Powell is a dipshit for even stating that to the press IMO

TheFrog · 05-15-2004, 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by Babel
No, thats an invitatino to get "Pacified"

ADL Colin · 05-15-2004, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by llabtaem
Powell is a dipshit for even stating that to the press IMO

Four nations said the same thing at the same time. It's not just Powell. Seems unlikely that the new Iraqi government would feel secure enough to dismiss coalition troops. Their lives will be at risk.

painintheass · 05-15-2004, 08:23 AM

bahahahahaahhahaahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha hahahaahhahahaha

Translation for the brain dead.

"After we install our buddies in goverment and line their pockets with some USA dollars we are going to ask them << If >> they want us to leave?"

Make your peace with it. This signifies the beginning of a permenant presence of the United States in the Iraq.

Iraqis better get used to McAmerica buger and cheap grunt labour fource of illegal Iranian immigrants.

Pain in the ass

xenophobic · 05-15-2004, 08:46 AM

it's all right pain in the ass, Canada has it's place in the war:
http://www.nowar.ca/complicity.shtml
<I>Many Canadians were dismayed to recently learn that the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) is investing our retirement savings in manufacturers of dozens of world's deadliest conventional weapons, and their delivery systems.
Unfortunately, forcing Canadians to invest in businesses that profit from war is not an aberration in Canadian policy; it is completely consistent with our Canadian tradition. Canada has been a silent partner in U.S. wars for many decades. The most recent invasion and occupation of Iraq is no exception. The myth of ?Canada the global peacemaker? looms large over Canada's collective self-image. It is how we see ourselves and the role of our country in the world, but it is largely delusory. In order to make this worthy dream an actual reality, Canadians will have to face the ugly fact that we are very deeply complicit in the U.S. war machine.
The Canada Pension Plan is forcing millions of Canadians to invest in businesses that profit from war. At least $2.55 billion, collected by the government from Canadians, is currently invested in domestic and foreign military corporations.</I>

"Don't Kill the innocents, unless we're profiting from it too" ?

llabtaem · 05-15-2004, 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by Colin
Four nations said the same thing at the same time. It's not just Powell. Seems unlikely that the new Iraqi government would feel secure enough to dismiss coalition troops. Their lives will be at risk.

Personally I don't care if every country in the world said it at the same time. He's still a dipshit. Other contries involvement is minimal to say the least compared to the US presence in Iraq. I just think when you are the one that spilled the milk, you better be the one to grab a paper towel and clean the shit up instead of walking away and letting it rot, curdle & stink on the floor

EDIT: I just wanted to add that you are right in respect to the fact that they most likely will NOT ask the "coalition" forces to leave. They will be scared shitless. I just think in general it was an assinine statement to make

Roger · 05-15-2004, 09:03 AM

And who's gonna ask them to leave? The guy they're gonna put in power on June 30? I mean come on

Furious_Male · 05-15-2004, 09:26 AM

Just BS PR to make the public feel better. Simple words that will never be followed by any action.

Nysus · 05-15-2004, 09:33 AM

Yeah, because that'd be smart. They'd love to pull troops and saving millions of dollars a day, but in the long-term if they pull out there will be much larger trouble in the future. Imagine those fanatic clerics who start to plan 100s of events similar to 9/11 - it would happen.

Cheers,
Matt

Roger · 05-15-2004, 09:41 AM

Turns out to be a lie.

Quote:

WASHINGTON - The new Iraqi government won't have the authority to evict American forces from Iraq, a top State Department official said Thursday - quickly reversing a statement made minutes earlier before a House panel.

[...]

When first asked by House International Relations Committee members whether an interim Iraqi government could force U.S. troops to leave, Grossman stressed that Iraqi leaders wanted them to remain. He also said that the Iraqi interim constitution and a U.N. resolution gave them authority to do so.

link

tony286 · 05-15-2004, 10:34 AM

Lies Lies Lies , vote in November you can help bring a change.

painintheass · 05-15-2004, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xenophobic
it's all right pain in the ass, Canada has it's place in the war:
http://www.nowar.ca/complicity.shtml
<I>Many Canadians were dismayed to recently learn that the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) is investing our retirement savings in manufacturers of dozens of world's deadliest conventional weapons, and their delivery systems.
Unfortunately, forcing Canadians to invest in businesses that profit from war is not an aberration in Canadian policy; it is completely consistent with our Canadian tradition. Canada has been a silent partner in U.S. wars for many decades. The most recent invasion and occupation of Iraq is no exception. The myth of ?Canada the global peacemaker? looms large over Canada's collective self-image. It is how we see ourselves and the role of our country in the world, but it is largely delusory. In order to make this worthy dream an actual reality, Canadians will have to face the ugly fact that we are very deeply complicit in the U.S. war machine.
The Canada Pension Plan is forcing millions of Canadians to invest in businesses that profit from war. At least $2.55 billion, collected by the government from Canadians, is currently invested in domestic and foreign military corporations.</I>

"Don't Kill the innocents, unless we're profiting from it too" ?

And people wonder why we don`t want Stephen Harper for a prime minister.
That doesn`t surprise me about CPP.

CPP has been mis-managed by the federal goverment for years. It is no secret that a crisis loams for it due to the fact of so many baby boomers facing retirement. The simple truth is that CPP investments are made on a bad mix of goverment and business criteria.

The Goverment`s purpose for CPP is to provide a social safety net for retirees. While the business men involved in its management see only the numbers. On the stock floor no one is asking what each corporation manufactures. They simple see which is performing and which isn`t. As the federal goverment spends or <<screws up>> the revenue it generates the business men continue to do what they do best. And no one stops to ask where the money is going.

But I`m sure that is going to change very soon. Generation X is slowly emerging and taking power and this is a gernartion that is really pissed off. Over educated, under paid and with the responsibility to take care of their elders and the un-educated youth that doesn`t see a value to staying in school. It will be interesting to see what a university educated pizza delevery boy does with the country.

The simple fact is Canada pension won`t be there for me when I get old. It most likely has about 10 years or so of life left in it. So don`t worry about CPP iinvesting in weapons, because I`m sure they won`t even exist.

Sure our shit stinks. But at least we don`t use the weapons on innocent civilians or torture them.

Pain in the ass

bizmak · 05-15-2004, 01:24 PM

No way they leave.. not a fucking way

Elli · 05-15-2004, 01:29 PM

It sounds more like a threat to Iraq than a reassurance. "If you bitch too much, we'll have to pull out our troops, so you'd better keep your people under control."

JDog · 05-15-2004, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by llabtaem
The US staterd this "mess" so I assume we should finish it. This is is what the US did back in the 80's in Afghanistan and that is one of the reasons they hate us now. We went in, we helped the Afghans get Russia the fuck out, and then we left them in rubble. No help, no nothing.

Yes we have to finish this. Since we created the mess we have to finish cleaning it up.

There is no right way to get out. If we leave, it's another vietnam, and if we stay, it'll mostly likey take a LONG time to fix.

jDoG

xenophobic · 05-15-2004, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by painintheass

Sure our shit stinks. But at least we don`t use the weapons on innocent civilians or torture them.

Pain in the ass

not sure profiting from it, is much better.

painintheass · 05-16-2004, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xenophobic
not sure profiting from it, is much better.

Having discussed CPP. I`ll drop that part of the conversation and get involved in the "basement" part of the conversation.

If I bought someone a gun for christmas and they decided to use it for murder. Does that make me a murderer?

If I invest in a company that manufactures the boots of the combat soldier does that mean I`m giving my support for an invasion into another nation? Same can be said with tanks, bombs, etc.

Maybe this can be argued two different ways. Perhaps in the case of the gun perhaps I support a man`s right to put fod on his family`s table. In the case of weapons companies perhaps similar arguments can be made.

In the end, its the person who pulls the trigger, invades a country under false pretense, tortures a prison, etc. etc. that has to make the final decision to do their actions.

Or how about how far am I supposed to track what a company does? A toy manufacturer also makes part for the M16. Am I expected to know this? And if yes should I not be given the right to tell the company where they can spend the money I give them?

As for profiting from it, when does that occur? Before or after a situation arises? Is it ok to invest in gun company prior to a war but pull my stock out when it happens?

Just playing devil`s advocate. I don`t like war, I don`t like torture and I`m not a fan of most things American.

Pain in the ass

xenophobic · 05-16-2004, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by painintheass
Having discussed CPP. I`ll drop that part of the conversation and get involved in the "basement" part of the conversation.

If I bought someone a gun for christmas and they decided to use it for murder. Does that make me a murderer?

If I invest in a company that manufactures the boots of the combat soldier does that mean I`m giving my support for an invasion into another nation? Same can be said with tanks, bombs, etc.

Maybe this can be argued two different ways. Perhaps in the case of the gun perhaps I support a man`s right to put fod on his family`s table. In the case of weapons companies perhaps similar arguments can be made.

In the end, its the person who pulls the trigger, invades a country under false pretense, tortures a prison, etc. etc. that has to make the final decision to do their actions.

Or how about how far am I supposed to track what a company does? A toy manufacturer also makes part for the M16. Am I expected to know this? And if yes should I not be given the right to tell the company where they can spend the money I give them?

As for profiting from it, when does that occur? Before or after a situation arises? Is it ok to invest in gun company prior to a war but pull my stock out when it happens?

Just playing devil`s advocate. I don`t like war, I don`t like torture and I`m not a fan of most things American.

Pain in the ass

It's OK, I don't like the French * either.
Being complicit in a scheme but continuing to play the "hippie" is rather funny, everyone in America is responsible for "murdering children" and "Nation Invading" I hear Bush is bad because "he profits from the Oil" but all the countries that build technology for the war machine which your Government invests and profits from (more than just CPP) well that's different?
It's ok to be morally offended by war, but your country/economy is benefiting from it also... how outrage you can be when you're getting paid?

05-15-2004, 06:56 AM	#1
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	Powell asserts U.S. would go if asked by Iraq http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...8674295.htm?1c WASHINGTON - Pressed by foreign ministers to define clearly how much power the United States will cede to an interim Iraqi government June 30, Secretary of State Colin Powell said Friday that if the as-yet-unnamed government asks the United States to withdraw its troops, the United States will do so. Powell is the most senior administration official yet to state that even an interim, appointed Iraqi government would have the power to dismiss 135,000 U.S. soldiers if it so chose. But he also indicated that he believes the prospects are highly unlikely.

05-15-2004, 06:58 AM	#2
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Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Yeah, because that'd be smart. They'd love to pull troops and saving millions of dollars a day, but in the long-term if they pull out there will be much larger trouble in the future. Imagine those fanatic clerics who start to plan 100s of events similar to 9/11 - it would happen. Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

05-15-2004, 06:59 AM	#3
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	so their troops getting shot at/captured/killed isn't an invitation to leave ?

05-15-2004, 07:16 AM	#5
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._govern15.html i hope they'll leave

05-15-2004, 07:21 AM	#6
DR_PHIL Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Never visits the same thread twice Posts: 4,099	cool..cant wait for that

05-15-2004, 07:25 AM	#8
llabtaem Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 969	It might be a bad decision to just LEAVE them in the state of turmoil that they are involved in right now. The US staterd this "mess" so I assume we should finish it. This is is what the US did back in the 80's in Afghanistan and that is one of the reasons they hate us now. We went in, we helped the Afghans get Russia the fuck out, and then we left them in rubble. No help, no nothing. I'd love to see all of our troops home, but at this stage of the game I find it nearly impossible to do so. Powell is a dipshit for even stating that to the press IMO

05-15-2004, 08:23 AM	#11
painintheass So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Paris Posts: 838	bahahahahaahhahaahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha hahahaahhahahaha Translation for the brain dead. "After we install our buddies in goverment and line their pockets with some USA dollars we are going to ask them << If >> they want us to leave?" Make your peace with it. This signifies the beginning of a permenant presence of the United States in the Iraq. Iraqis better get used to McAmerica buger and cheap grunt labour fource of illegal Iranian immigrants. Pain in the ass

05-15-2004, 08:46 AM	#12
xenophobic Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 874	it's all right pain in the ass, Canada has it's place in the war: http://www.nowar.ca/complicity.shtml <I>Many Canadians were dismayed to recently learn that the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) is investing our retirement savings in manufacturers of dozens of world's deadliest conventional weapons, and their delivery systems. Unfortunately, forcing Canadians to invest in businesses that profit from war is not an aberration in Canadian policy; it is completely consistent with our Canadian tradition. Canada has been a silent partner in U.S. wars for many decades. The most recent invasion and occupation of Iraq is no exception. The myth of ?Canada the global peacemaker? looms large over Canada's collective self-image. It is how we see ourselves and the role of our country in the world, but it is largely delusory. In order to make this worthy dream an actual reality, Canadians will have to face the ugly fact that we are very deeply complicit in the U.S. war machine. The Canada Pension Plan is forcing millions of Canadians to invest in businesses that profit from war. At least $2.55 billion, collected by the government from Canadians, is currently invested in domestic and foreign military corporations.</I> "Don't Kill the innocents, unless we're profiting from it too" ?

05-15-2004, 09:03 AM	#14
Roger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MetroCity Posts: 3,181	And who's gonna ask them to leave? The guy they're gonna put in power on June 30? I mean come on

05-15-2004, 10:34 AM	#18
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05-15-2004, 01:24 PM	#20
bizmak So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 10,014	No way they leave.. not a fucking way

05-15-2004, 01:29 PM	#21
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	It sounds more like a threat to Iraq than a reassurance. "If you bitch too much, we'll have to pull out our troops, so you'd better keep your people under control." __________________ email: [email protected]