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Hi, WarChild. I don't think I'd gotten around to applying at Creamshots, yet, but I will do so now. Did someone apply with SpaceAce as a username or something? Anyway, I will definitely email you right away.

SpaceAce

As in life, networking is very important if you're going to be a successful TGP submitter.

this is true, warchild approved my partner account in about 35 seconds...

Thanks, anyone else got some room for me?

WarChild, what sites do you run?

Creamshots.com

Wow, I had no idea. I sure as shit am glad I never went the TGP route, but it does look like a lot more work than I thought originally. Still though, it's just getting into a rhythm, and if you can't manage to do that, fuck off, I don't care how much you like porn. Don't worry, we'll still let you post here.

I really do think if there were a contest out there amongst newbies for TGP's with cash prizes about who can get the most partner accounts, traffic, and quality conversions I think I would take the cake, just because I'm used to working hard for my traffic. I deal with search engines only. May it be organic or ppc, it's still hard work, nothing comes easy in this business.

You TGP guys definitely have it easier than us SE guys, that's for fucking sure. So why aren't you all making enough bank to at least cover convention events??? The answer is just lazyness. It's that whole mindset of "the porn industry is easy money".

Since I'm not a TGP webmaster, I can't really offer any solid advice on that front, but I'm sure there are similarities to SE's where QUALITY OVER QUANTITY is the name of the game. It just seems wiser to follow what people here have said, produce quality unique templates and content, get a quality sponsor, and aim for the smaller guys. Build your contacts up. Shit, you can pull off a positive TGP cashflow with the IQ of a retarded monkey I'm sure.

So enough posting here, get to work you slackers!

Correct.

thank you for the tricks... i'll try not to do the mistakes...

let us know how things went :-)

What a great thread. Thanks guys.

I'm just about to start getting into TGP. I have my good templates, my fresh paysites, and my quality content. Working on getting the partner accounts now.

I'll have to remember to check back on this thread again for more great tips.

How does the TGP/MGP owner make their money? Is it on a click-basis? Who pays them if bigger sites are submitting to them for the traffic? One last thing, what does SE mean? Sorry, new to the whole idea.

Dont give away my secrets! :) Hehe, theres more to that, but its so true :thumbsup

Great to see a really informative thread!

I have been posting to mgp's on and off over the last year and have gotten ok at it, however TGP I have never done well at.

I Have a few questions I would like you Escortbiz or some other knowledgeable ppl to answer:

1. Do you think it's imperative to get the content from the paysites member area, as opposed to downloading it from the webmaster area (the webmaster one of course being exposed a lot more on the net)?

2. What is the best method for getting partner accounts? (I have always just used the forms they have on the tgp/mgp's and often dont even get responded too) So some tips for getting partner accountsy?

3. Is it essential to use a program like advanced submitter or chemeleon?

4. How many if any sites do you auto submit to? I know a lot of sites dont accept auto submitters, but if I'm using chameleon or AA, should I set any tgps to auto?

5. Is it essential to post more than a gallery a day, bearing in mind that there are a lot of large sites that restrict the ammount of times u can submit each day?

6. Lastly,how many sites do you submit to to make really good money with tgps?

Thanks, it would be of great help if anyone could help me with these questions. I've been in the adult biz for about 6 years, however mainly focussing on the now dying avs business.

thanks

First, check whether that is okay: not all sponsors allow it. My take is that when you can, this is the best route if you are promoting a recurring sponsor. If promoting pay-per-sale it doesn't matter (to you) if the surfer is pissed because the model you teased them with isn't inside.

That said, content in most webmaster areas is fairly horrible and when not, likely will be well exposed. But the main thing is to get eye-catching content (easier said than done), regardless of where it comes from on the sponsor's site, or if you buy it.


Although only the owner of some small TGPs, I used to get 300+ partner requests a month, which is way more than I need. So many TGPs simply don't need more submitters, even though they leave the form up. Make sure your samples follow the rules and represent your best work. Follow up by ICQ or email if you don't get a response. And if all else fails, try every month or so. You may land at a time when they are looking to add some new names.


It isn't essential to have special submission software. It isn't particularly difficult to make your own submit page and do the rest with Roboform or something similar. But the answer depends on the strategy you intend to follow and there isn't one right answer.

There is a lot of BS written about good and bad TGPs, the vast majority of which is not based on testing, but because someone has bought into what someone else has written on a board. If you ever try to properly test the quality of the traffic from different TGPs, you soon realise what a lengthy, time-consuming and largely impossible task it is.

So you take your pick. Whichever way you go you should build a list of say 50 TGPs to which you submit by hand. That would include the bigger TGPs relevant to your niche(s) and as many partner accounts as you can get (probably working your way down from the biggest general TGPs until you have a decent list). After that, it is your choice whether or not you auto-submit to all the others.

My view, although based only on my own prejudices, is that traffic quality is better from the smaller TGPs. So although I wouldn't spare the time to submit to them by hand, an auto-submitter like Chameleon is a good way to pick up extra hits for minimal effort.

It's impossible to answer your question 6. I have seen people claim to make money from 20-30 TGPs and others swear by submitting to hundreds. It depends on your galleries, your sponsor, your niche, which TGPs are on your list and likely as not, according to which direction the wind is blowing that day.


Depends entirely on how successful one gallery is for you, how much money you want to earn, and how (if you plan to break the rules or only submit more than one to those which permit it) good you are at covering your tracks.

Hey jayeff, thanks for taking the time to answer all those questions, that was really helpful. I agree about the smaller tgp's btw.

We accept partner accounts : www.traffictgp.com

LOL things must be bad around here if this thread can be declared as a great source of information. Looks more like stating the obvious to me.

If you have good ideas or opinions keep them to yourself. The public talking days are over. Talk only to those you network or partner with, and even then limit what you say.

Big mistake thinking boards like this are a cosy little community where you can have fun and spill a few beans. You are on your own in this business, think otherwise and the wheels will fall off.

I know what your getting at dopy, but it doesnt matter what is said, most people will not act on information, it's the way it is. Look at all the webmaster resource boards and their articles, if you seriously followed them, then you would be very wealthy.

It doesnt hurt to share a bit of information now and then, its not gonna change your bottom line.

This has got to be the most informative thread I have seen for a long time.
I have only submitted a few galleries, basically just testing out things. I used an auto submitter and only averaged about 2k hits per gallery, most from the same TGP.

Could anyone recommend some TGPs to submit to by hand which don't require partner accounts?

I just want to get some traffic to some galleries so that I can test things out and learn more about galleries as a casual thing.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Rubbish! I could give you the blueprint for my business model, or you give yours to me, and we could both screw up. The technical details of how a business operates are not what makes a business succeed or fail, but the unique ways in which those details are applied by different individuals.

We are not operating mom-and-pop stores on main street in some small town (although even in the bricks and mortar world many businesses operate professional associations for the exchange of ideas and information), so the chance is close to zero that I will ever be fighting over the same surfers as you. It makes no sense to spend a large part of our lives inventing the same wheel because of the misguided idea that we are competitors.

The other excuse people come up with for not posting potentially useful information, is their unwillingness to give away something they had to work to find out. That doesn't make sense either, because even if 500 people read what you hahahahaha and never contribute in return, so what? If someone's attempt to be of help encourages even 2 others to do the same, he gets twice as much information back as he has given away.

The guy that will pay for porn is looking for one thing, to look at porn HE likes. Look at a sponsor and then find a content provider who supplies similar or the same content and if he allows it on TGP sites. Then buy the best he has.

Get the latest releases, submit them before anyone else does. Don't go for $5 sets that are 12 months old, when for $35 you could buy a set out on it's first day of release. Be the saturator not the saturated.

Paid hostings also will get your page listed on SE, we put up TGP pages for clients October through December 2003 and still getting traffic and conversions.

Stop looking for everything for free, simply because of all the other guys trying to get it for free.

But most important after getting it listed is the content and the way it turns on the paying surfer and how it matches where you want him to go and spend money.

You are going to create trouble for yourself and your sponsor by taking content that is not clearly marked as available for affiliates.

Some content producers ansd their clients do not want their content on TGP sites, some do. So if you just grab it and it's later found out you could be banned and without money.

Go and buy some content, it's not like it's mega expensive and your own content wil work much better for you.

Wow, a useful thread on GFY.. amazing.. keep it up guys!

I'm printing everything out and taking it all into consideration.

Sounds a lot like someone not doing so well.

Ask me any question about photographing porno and I will be only to happy to answer.

Exactly.

Selling or creating porn is not like writing a computer program. It's about making the consumer believe it was real, that it has a personality and life.

If you really want to make money in porn put "YOU" into what you are doing. Don't create it on a conveyor belt, make it personal, make it mean something, make the surfer think IT COULD HAPPEN TO HIM.

I doubt there's any major tgp owner like you either. If you are a major you don't have time to fuss about little things like that. It's like you want a cake with icing on top and eat it too. You want free content for your site and you also want niche traffic - you're just too greedy I must say. I bet you also wnt a big ass recip on the top of each gallery too?

One thing I have noticed too is that many submiters take their gallery down after a couple weeks. Leave the damn thing up, you'll still get traffic to it a year later. After a while old galleries can make some pretty good money.

Having a good design isnt as important as having a good pool of partner accounts. Also being able to submit galleries consistantly helps a lot. And of course a good submit program like dreamsubmitter.com makes all the difference as well.





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putting up galleries, especially galleries with different text will pay off years down the road. I still get traffic from old galleries I ran through russian submitter back in the day. I just keep submitting and keep waiting.

You could spend four years in medical school, pay hundreds of thousands of dollars, and come out with a nice job that pays well. But if you spend 4 years in this biz working hard, you'll have your own successful "porn practice".

part of my "practice" must include a good submitter database. If you get a good database that you built yourself and get some partner submits, you'll make some money in time.

My girlfriend is about to go to work at mcdonalds for 6 an hour and she's only working four hours today....

One of my year old tgp galleries alone will make more than her.

Not using enough text to describe what they are actually getting with a membership and using banners that the affiliate program give them. Make your own banner and use text links that help sell the membership or gets that click to the sponsor.

Everything you do is pretty much in the open anyway. But let?s say one day you find a way to speed up your process giving you an edge in the market. Would you run to GFY and announce it. Like hell you would.

15 apartments 3 houses and a bar here on the Island of Lanzarotte. All purchased from porn peddling. Yes that?s right I am not doing so well.

For the other comment to my post :-

Please don?t compare this with your regular business model. Internet based businesses are on a global platform where word travels far and wide fast. The rest of your post is waffle.

Most of the posts on GFY are 'waffle' :1orglaugh

I'm still in that second month after submiting a gallery a day where its hard to make a sale, so you guys are giving me hope. Thanks lol

a few months and you still haven't got a sale??!?! :helpme

he said 2nd month