bah, I just think its the whole tgp concept that makes it so hard to sell ... we need something new, stop it with the damn 10,000 copycat tgps :-P

Great thread (Bookmarked for future reference)!

What I learned is that softcore galleries get less traffic but convert better if the tour behind it is hardcore.

Hardcore galleries do more traffic but less conversions.

It's obviously not wrong to talk about the need for partner accounts these days, but it's something of a red herring because the vast majority of submitters have never made any money to speak of.

And there is a lot of myth in many of the other points that have been raised here: for example the small TGP v large TGP issue. One large TGP springs to mind which accepts and posts galleries all day long, so your gallery appears but immediately slides down away from the zone which generates most clicks. Some small TGPs are set up in ways that filter traffic better that the big essentially one-page sites, and such that some traffic is still coming through months later. In other words if there is a good and bad, it's more complex than simply big or small.

Someone else said to place your main ad in the middle, where it grabs attention. Good advice on the face of it, but a lot of TGPs won't accept that layout. Yet another praised the benefits of exclusive content, but after 5 years of submissions I don't believe the average surfers has a clue, or cares, whether content is exclusive or not. Only what it is...

Very few galleries make you sit up and take notice: whether it is because the design is mediochre, or the content is ordinary, or there is no sales pitch, or whatever. But surely it's obvious that one way or another a gallery must have the "Wow!" factor if it is going to persuade someone to get out his credit card, instead of just passing on.

It is also worth pointing out that some categories are vastly over-subscribed: much more popular with webmasters than they are with surfers, perhaps in part because content is easier to find. This means your chance for a good listing (even for being listed at all) is less. And if you are listed, you are going to be pushed out of the way faster. That, rather than any inherent virtue in promoting niche sites in general, is why some people report good results from niche sites.

This has to be the most interesting thread i have read for ages. cheers :thumbsup

well if there was no free porn everyone would have to pay for it

that's like saying "would people drink more coke if there was no water"

there will always be water

100% Correct. Every single TGP I submit to, I have a partner account with.

I agree :)

I think these goes hand in hand with what Escort Biz said Above

It would be nice to see TGP's just listing softcore/no nudity galleries, as a result it would definetly increase sales but unfortunetly there is no way to regulate an idea like that and as soon as one TGP went back to listing hardcore galleries the surfers would follow suit.

It's still very possible to get over 200,000 pageviews to your galleries daily with submitting to only like 20 - 30 TGP's

You just have to get a list together with sites that regularly list your galleries. Make something unique which looks much better then the average gallery. If you can't design a template, hire someone who does have design skills. It really makes a huge difference when your gallery looks above average quality

Hey,,,that's my secret.:winkwink:

You hit the nail on the head.


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what the fuck did you just say?

where the heck does it come into this fuckin thread?

I don't make shit from galleries :thumbsup

exactly

After getting ~2000 submits daily between 2 of my sites I stopped taking regular submits. I thought that taking everyone in would be good because a lot of n00bs have good ideas that can help both me and him... however there are toooooo many fucking cheaters who redirect to sites that install trojans and shit like that.

So I decided to go mostly FHG and my own gals. Yes I am fucking over my submitters but I am still taking partner submits and those are the guys who actually make money because they have quality content, their own tours and exclusive content. The rest just take a free hosted gal, click file, save as, put my recip and upload and submit. FUCK HIM, put some effort into a gal to make it look original and maybe sales will come in.

I think the generic size banners are useless, I like making my own, bigger but not retarded. Also I agree that choosing the content is a must, pulling images from FHG's sucks bigtime, not only in quality sometimes but also 35454 people have used them.
I don't make 10,000 a day, but I do well I think for what I do.

lots of great awesome advice in this thread thanks everyone

the question is will TGP and MGP submitters learn from this or will they think they are different because they know better then everyone.

I don't think, humbly speaking, I can get better how I do it now. I could do better if I submitted everyday, which I don't, and maybe explore other niches, and maybe start buying the $1200 spots. Oops, theres 3 ways I could get better! But I am hapopy the way I have it set up now. :)

what exactly do you mean by partner accounts?

very useful post :thumbsup

Preffered submitter status, sometimes auto posted.

Very true, EB. Another thing that happens is that they tend not to treat it as work. Big mistake. The second you stop thinking about your TGP submitting etc as something other than requiring your full attention, you are going to have problems.

there is money in submitting for people if they are willing to take th time and find out what works best for them, talk to site owners, and actually take it as a job and not playtime to make beer money.

You can make a living off gallery submitting.

Great thread, EB!

My own experience for a gallery formula that works is:
- friendly relationships with some of the biggest TGPs to get frequent listings of high volume traffic
-a partner account from a handful of very targeted niche themed TGPs that match the content/sponsor
-Hand built templates with SEO kept in mind
-Exclusive content from member's areas

Unfortunately I just don't have the time to keep up with the manual submits anymore so I am falling off hard on my gallery work, also I've found it very difficult to get the attention of TGP owners to get submit accounts consistently (despite all the good work listed above)

One more thing - manual submitting seems to be the best way to get real results, so i'm wondering if these outsourced labor shops can do the job right or not? $5 Subs, webmasterlabor, etc.

Has anyone used these services? How do they do compared to you doing your own submits?

i've been submitting galleries and making a living for 5+ years, but lately i find that even with partner and preferred submit accounts a lot fo my big traffic sources are goingthe paid route. places i got listed everyday at like mark's, ampland, video-post and had great relationships with just kinda blew off longtime submitters to go the paid route. between those 3 sites alone that's like 75k in traffic daily to my galleires that was gone in the blink of an eye.

If anyone is interested in giving out partner accounts a moderate traffic'd tgp's to an honest webmaster who'll give you 2 clean galleries daily, let me know...

-fish

You have to build a good reputation when submitting.. Submit 1 gallery a day for 2 months straight. With the 60 galleries submitted you WILL make some money if you know what you're doing - if you can't even cover the hosting bill GET OUT RIGHT AWAY.

Get your own hosting for your galleries, and make sure it's a sold host because you will get traffic to those galleries down the road and hopefully make sales from galleries you submitted 2,3 months ago even more.

Start applying for partner accounts at medium size TGPs and then at bigger TGPs. You gotta go small than big.. When you apply for partner accounts at the big TGPs mention at which sites you are already a trusted submitter..

Talk to TGP owners and other submitters - this is the only way you are going to get partner passwords at bigger TGPs.

I applied at a pretty big text TGP 3x with my sample galleries - never got a reply from them. I got recommended by another submitter to the owner of that site, and now he lists 2 of my galleries daily..

The more partner accounts, the more quality traffic you will get, the more sales that will result in.

Indeed a VERY good thread. Not very usual here recently... Thanks :thumbsup

One other thing I didn't mention was choosing the right sponsor.. don't choose a sponsor that you see on every friggin' TGP site, choose something new and something that is not highly saturated by other submitters..

If a reviewer sees 5 similar galleries promoting the same site, he probably won't list your gallery even if you have a partner password.

If you are the only one promoting a new sponsor and your galleries are different from day to day (5,6 templates rotating) then you will get listed definitely..

what an amazing amount of good info.

:)

movie tours convert nicely, but you do lose out a little since not everyone is on broadband yet

Instead of sending the surfer to a sponsor, I created a premium AVS site with a unique theme (cartoon figure...) that matches my gallery template so I have created a brand. Since its an AVS, if the surfer doesn't want to join, I have links for more porn to my hub site for that niche that has hosted galleries and links to my other AVS sites...and I have made sales that way as well.

this thread should help many

glad everyone is lending a helping hand with advice

There are 3 things to remember when trying to make money from galleries.

1) Content is king
2) Content is king
3) Content is king

The content on your gallery is representative of what the surfer thinks he'll get if he joins the site you're plugging.
If the content is shit, he'll think the site is shit. If the content is primo, he'll think he can get more just like it if he joins.
Its as simple as that.

Don't listen to all the people whining about too much free porn and if you give the milk away they won't buy the cow....yada yada yada.
All the people who bitch about things like that are the people who AREN'T making money off of TGP traffic.

With other types of traffic it is possible to tease the surfer into joining. With TGP traffic you just can't do it, how can you tell them they have to join to see the hardcore when they know they can click their back button and get 1000's of hardcore pics back at the TGP?
You have to show them the best you've got and hope they can't live without it.

:2 cents:

Another thing to consider is that it pays to be on top.

Getting in front of the surfer first is a "force multiplier" that will greatly increase your galleries profitability.
A gallery listed in the number one spot on any given TGP will get 2-3 times as much traffic as a gallery listed in the middle or on the bottom.
Why?
Because only half the surfers make it to the middle of the page, they've either already gotten off, already joined a site, or already gotten bored and surfed off to another bookmark.

Once you find a combination of content, paysite, and page layout that sells, take the money you've made off of the free traffic and RE-INVEST it into your business by buying top spots at some high quality sites.

Rinse, repeat.

this one is a great thread! thanks alot guys!

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Very VERY true. The average TGP porn surfer doesn't care if he can get anything for free. The most important thing he wants is quality porn. PORN HE LIKES! He will join a paysite if he got teased by great quality teasing pics, he will join because he wants more of the same quality stuff!