there's a lot that can make a gallery go wrong - bad hosting, poor sponsers, burnt out content, off my niche content, etc.

not every gallery makes money.

i would like be able to agree before hand on those kind of things as i have a clue about them before you do the test if you're going to base my reputation on it.

think about it like this - if it fails you can say i thought it would make money

I don't see why you see this test a threat. It's not. You were very positive in the other thread.

I feel that you're not comfortable now. Am I right or not?

You should be thanking me, you're gonna get even more quote requests for your TGP. No matter what the results are.

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i'm not comfortable if you use like-whoa hosting and PIB cash if that's what your asking

Well, it's not your site and Sleazy is a nice guy. He agreed to do the test.

But thanks for your comments.

I don't get it. So when someone is using a host you don't like, or a sponsor you don't like, you simply refuse their request?

I'm not suicidal, I won't use PIBcash lol!

To be Fair, create a new account at your sponsor and post the results 1 week after the listing is over... It's been my experience from purchased spots that sales come days after listings expire (hahahahahaha tracking) or show up in the "no referrer" columns. This way you will get a legitimate number that can only come from his listing.

Surely you're not really this dense...

I was being sarcastic.. Geez..

Do I really need to put smilies to be understood?

:1orglaugh

Everybody knows that PIBcash and Whoa! Where simply horrible..

It's getting late man. :)

I'm still trying to catch up from the sleep lost in ATL.

Allright.. So far I have va2k (Tom) and Tootie as suggestions.

Anyone else?

50 gallery spots :glugglug

It's allright man! My nights have also been horrible for the past 2 days. My girlfriend waking me up with false alarms (She's expecting our 2nd baby).

My schedule is also fucked up!

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there are others on that level out there, it's why i'd like to have a clue before hand if you're gona make everything public. I know more than you may think about behind the scenes stuff in this industry - wouldn't be where i am today if i didn't

Allright, my host is http://www.bullhosting.com

The most solid host I've ever had in 5 years.

And my sponsor will be http://www.dollarmachine.com

Now you have nothing to worry about.

don't know bulldog host but if that's python's dollar machine I'm 100% behind them as a sponser and have faith in them

content, niche and gallery will play a huge role though.

I don't see why you're so upset if my gallery is successful or not. We all know there are many factors that will change the outcome.

Everyone buying a gallery spot will go through that process.

You were soooo positive in the other thread. Now you're almost giving me warnings. I don't see those warnings when I asked for the prices on Sleazydream.com

I know the difference is that my results will be public, but let me remind you that you agreed.

Calling me an idiot on this thread surely didn't help your cause, but everyone knows that this is your personal touch on this board (strange marketing indeed) but anyway. I just want to test a gallery spot. That's all.

Exactly like everyone else would. I don't want help, or privileges. Or this is going to affect the test. I'm sure you understand.

Unless you actually HELP everyone that buys a gallery spot. The problem is, we never read any feedback from anyone.

go ahead with your test. when did i ever back out?

I never said you backed out. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Thanks.

I truly don't understand why this has to be done on a webmaster board! NoCarrier, what are you trying to prove?

I know Sleazy's traffic is great quality! Advertisers just need to know how to convert it.

It totally depends on:

- Content
- Day
- Rank
- Niche
- Membership Fee
- Gallery

Etc etc. You gonna show us the gallery before you'll list it?

enough with the small talk.... just do the test

As with all TGPs I mean

I've been buying lots of spots at Sleazys .. making profit on 9 out 10 of them ...

In fact, the only site that I remember not pulling a good profit from Sleazys was exploitedblackteens.com

Make a good thumb and you'll get some decent traffic .. and remember the thumb will be on the frontpage for days - so you might not cover your expenses the first day.

I agree on this one... get a fresh account so the results are from SD's site only.

You might consider Eros for galls too by the way!
Can't wait to see the results :glugglug

Where did you buy spots and how were the results?

Why not get Sleazy's advice on what to use. Get him to say in as many words that the gallery and all the surronding aspects are great. If it than fails, well, Sleazy truly will be fucked. I understand you are trying to go at it from a normal customers point of view, but really without doing it with Sleazy's advice he and others will be wiggle out of any true responsibility. If he has seen a gallery make 100 signups with his traffic (which he should know) get him to approve your gallery 100% and if it doesn't do dozens and dozens of signups Sleazy will never hear the end of it. Makes sence to me.

Why? You want me to do the test on a music board? Sleazy and everyone else thought this was a good idea.

I'm not trying to prove anything or discredit Sleazydream. I'm just doing a test. How many times do I have to say that it doesn't matter if my gallery makes money or not.

I'm just doing the same process everyone would do if they bought a gallery spot.

Use a good gallery designer and use my best converting sponsor.

People will draw their own conclusion.

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I thought in the original thread a couple of weeks ago that it was a bit obtuse of Sleazy not to give examples of galleries that have done well. On the face of it, with a limited number of spots for sale, everyone involved benefits if a gallery does well: the space buyer obviously, but Sleazy too, since he will have a happy customer likely to come back for more.

That said, I don't see this test as proof of anything. You could line up the best of everything, but judge just one element wrong and the whole exercise goes pear-shaped. And if it does, how exactly do you propose to figure out what was to blame? You might get everything wrong but the one factor that could earn you a bundle.

You won't be able to identify it either and whether it works or not, you won't have any way to know to what extent Sleazy's particular traffic mix had an impact on the result.

I think its a good test as hes taking averages. A good design, a good sponsors. Look, he buys an advertisment space. He pays a lot of money for it, it shouldnt be 95% impossible to make it back. It should be fairly easy to make back or Sleazy should lower his prices. It would be ridiculous if one would need to investigate and tweak a gallery for 2 months to be able to buy a spot somewhere and make some money. A gallery spot should be priced at a decent amount, where a retard wont make his money back and a pro should make 4 times a money back. An average webmaster somewhere in between. I think this test is a good average.

when are you scheduled to go in ?

Yes, you are right. On the other site it's a question of demand and supply. If you have more webmasters on a waiting list, you can set the prices higher. If the (average) webmaster doesn't make his money back, the next will jump on the place. And so on.
A lot of gallery spots are overpriced, but the demand is there. GTS has a long waiting list, for example.


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NOTE: I don't say that Sleazydreams or GTS spots are overpriced. I don't have any experience in purchasing gallery spots and converting their traffic.

ummm what made you think I had results of my own?

Well, as soon as I get more offers from gallery designers. If not, I'll have to select one.

And then we have to work on the gallery.

actually i did say some examples of who's galleries they are

i wonder how long this will take?

game :thumbsup

good point from oracle porn

sponsors doing well with SE traffic can suck on tgp traffic and vice versa. It happens more than often.

The average person buying a gallery spot is aware of those facts. If you were going to buy one, which sponsor would you chose? The most successful one with your own business model.

That's exactly what I am doing here. Unless people buying gallery spots for the first time, have special powers or knowledge that I don't have.

It's about trial and error. There's nothing scientific about it. The gallery might be successful for a month and then do crap.

I mean, a gallery spot should at least give some results. Because the returning customers ratio would be low.

People are saying how good his traffic is. But those are personal results.

No Carrier..I've offered to do the gallery design for free.

I'll put my money where my mouth is.

For samples: http://www.eroswebmaster.com

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