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SomeCreep · 05-13-2004, 11:19 AM

50 discrepancies

Digipimp · 05-13-2004, 11:21 AM

they edited it themselves real quick and shitty so big deal. we all know it takes longer than 20 seconds to saw a head off it probably took them a few minutes and they of course edit it down for presentation.

ALiEn_OuT · 05-13-2004, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
No, my point is, the guys jump on him and the time code is stamped at 2:44, when the guy pulls out his knife to cut off his head, its not even at 3 mins.

The camera shakes, and jumps to a new scene, more than 10 mins later, and the time reads 13:45.

the video makes you think its all in one motion when in fact its not. The guy pulls out his knife, grabs Nick by the hair and other terrorists proceed to hold him down, right then the camera switches to action shot and thats when they start sawing off his head, but the time places them more than 10 minutes prior to the event.

it's two different cams that they spliced into one movie.. thats why the time code jumps back and forth...notice at the beginning of the movie when he is describing himself ...it has the stamp of the cam they end up using for most of the decap footage

SuckOnThis · 05-13-2004, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

fogive me for being nosey, but there is something wrong here, something very deep and secretive, anyone should be able to see this.

maybe he is the one who leaked prison photos out? wasnt he connected to Abu Gharaib as well? Communications guy? hmm.

too many questions...

Yes there are. Why did the US Govt initially say they never detained him? Also seems very strange he gets snagged by terrorists within 24 hours after being released.

Another thing I find strange is how quiet the US Govt has been about this, I've heard a few things here and there but overall they havent said a whole lot.

jwerd · 05-13-2004, 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
With all the questions over this video, youd think theyd simply mention the time stamp.

Of course its edited and spliced, while watching it just now he is sitting on the floor in front of terrorists near timecode 2:44, when the terrorist begins chopping his head off its at nearly 4 minutes and 30 seconds into the video the time stamp jumps to 13:45 just as one of the terrorists pounces on Nick berg.

pretty shitty editing.

obviously theres more going on here.

"However, the circumstances of the video release are also strange. A Reuters journalist in Dubai first named the Muntada al-Ansar al-Islami website as the source for the video ? at www.al-ansar.biz.

Although the site has now been shut down, Aljazeera.net had looked at the site within ninety minutes of the story breaking ? and could find no such video footage.

But Fox News, CNN and the BBC were all able to download the footage from the Arabic-only website and report the story within the hour."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...79E91F2784.htm

Why is he wearing a orange US prisoner jump suit?

Interesting... But still fucked

JDog · 05-13-2004, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Ramster
Looks like it but either way, it's still some fucked up shit.

Yea, I'm sure we've done worse shit to the Iraqi's. And plus, we invaded their country for no good enough reason, humiliate them and expect them to be fine with them?

jDoG

Digipimp · 05-13-2004, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by JDog
Yea, I'm sure we've done worse shit to the Iraqi's. And plus, we invaded their country for no good enough reason, humiliate them and expect them to be fine with them?

jDoG

dumbass, do you think for a minute any of the guys in that video were even iraqi, i really doubt it.

Chichio · 05-13-2004, 12:23 PM

It sounds to me like they wanted it to be more terrorizing than 3 mins of a rant in Arabic and 15 more of them cutting his head off. They wanted it to seem like they just jumped him and sawed it off in a few minutes.

I think it would have lost a little of the effect if they kept in the actual time of the sawing if indeed it did take that long. They wouldn't have seemed as fierce. They would have seemed like the idiots they are. Pulling out a butter knife out to cut someone's head off isn't a well-planned execution.

Someone else noticed that they are even different people. The first guy was probably like "man this is hard, you take over."

P.S. Karma is a bitch and these guys have something nasty waiting for them.

BeHeadR · 05-13-2004, 12:51 PM

It looks VERY much like the daniel pearl beheading. The camera man does the same weird shit in both beheading videos -- just as the first initial cut is being made he zooms in so close you can't tell WTF is going on. Then the zoom out occurs and in both cases it looks very much as if they are both already dead.

It also came out this week that Pearl's captors tried to sedate him multiple times but Pearl wouldn't let them.

Even though the CIA said today it is most likely Al-Zaraqui (whatever his name is) in the tape I take that with a grain of salt. Yeah those WMD's were sure a "slam dunk" eh Tenet?

Fishy is an understatement.

Babel · 05-13-2004, 12:59 PM

Friends said he was in Us.Custody

Well until they released him and he got snatched outside the US prison

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/13/berg.friends/

stev0 · 05-13-2004, 01:03 PM

Hmm, that is a bit of a gap... i think they probably just edited out some pointless footage.

There is no way he was dead when they're chopping his head off, because when they're pretty much all the way through his mouth is still opening and closing.

Elli · 05-13-2004, 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
With all the questions over this video, youd think theyd simply mention the time stamp.

Why is he wearing a orange US prisoner jump suit?

Yeah, those are the things that jumped out at me, too. Weirdness.

WarChild · 05-13-2004, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
"Probably" doesnt exist in court.

Maybe it has jihadist high fiving?

Fortunately this is GFY not court. You're an adult webmaster, not a judge .. In case you weren't clear.

painintheass · 05-13-2004, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by stev0
Hmm, that is a bit of a gap... i think they probably just edited out some pointless footage.

There is no way he was dead when they're chopping his head off, because when they're pretty much all the way through his mouth is still opening and closing.

But the missing 1 min and 16 seconds is when they just cut his head off and lifted his head up.

The only explanation would be there was a third camera filming it and it had a time stamp 1 min 16 seconds different from Camera 2.

Pain in the ass

Elli · 05-13-2004, 01:29 PM

Maybe they accidentally mentioned some names that they had to edit out?

Fletch XXX · 05-13-2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by WarChild
Fortunately this is GFY not court. You're an adult webmaster, not a judge .. In case you weren't clear.

Child, please note the winks, you think I consider this some kind of court? Please run along and let the older folks talk. ;)

DOnt quote me if you cant even grasp the context of the post.

media · 05-13-2004, 01:38 PM

I think they had out takes where they fucked up or someone did something like kick the guy or something.. Cuz when they jump and you hear the screams, you can hear the death rattle of his wind pipe being cut.... So that tells me he was very much alive while he was gettin his head sawed off...

Just my opinion though, like you have yours...

xenophobic · 05-13-2004, 01:45 PM

It's also possible some Iraqi's had some part in at least his capture, I read in a news article that the hotel he was staying in denied at first even knowing him, or seeing him - only to later talk about how he was "always smiling" and treated them better than a lot of foriegners, however I could also understand why they would deny knowing an american who was just murdered.

There was also a reward promised by Al-Qaeda for the murder of a citizen of America or Briton:
<I>
the speaker said. ''We, in Al Qaeda, will guarantee, God willing, 10,000 gm of gold to whoever kills the occupier Bremer, or the US chief commander or his deputy in Iraq.''
The speaker promised a lesser prize - 1 kg gold - to anyone killing a citizen of countries he called ''the masters of the veto like Americans and Britons''</I>

bizmak · 05-13-2004, 03:14 PM

Did'nt even watch it..

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 05-13-2004, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Digipimp
dumbass, do you think for a minute any of the guys in that video were even iraqi, i really doubt it.

I was checking out the color of their hands.. looked a bit too white for my tastes...why were they wearing masks..If i was going to make an insane statement by filming myself cutting off some guys head.. I would want people to know who I am and Why I was doing it

Fletch XXX · 05-13-2004, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday
I was checking out the color of their hands.. looked a bit too white for my tastes...why were they wearing masks..If i was going to make an insane statement by filming myself cutting off some guys head.. I would want people to know who I am and Why I was doing it

because it was reported that Zaquawi was dead months ago.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/chan...contentid=1235

Fletch XXX · 05-13-2004, 04:00 PM

I know its hard to believe Conspiracy Planet, but his militant people DID say he was killed months ago.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/

this article from Mar 4 2004.

crowkid · 05-13-2004, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by Digipimp
dumbass, do you think for a minute any of the guys in that video were even iraqi, i really doubt it.

Your right, they weren't. The CIA confirmed Nick Berg was killed by Bin Laden's top aide, al-Zarqawi, who is a Jordanian and a top Al Queda official.... He's claimed responsibility for over 100 attacks inside Iraq, with the help of some more than willing foreigners... To justify the brutal murder of this man, to the liking of young Iraqi resistance fighters is not only sick, but simply untrue.... any who try to justify that sick shit, has some twisted things going on in their head, and should seek help.

Chichio · 05-13-2004, 04:15 PM

Today I heard that Al Qeada and al-Zarqawi's group, Ansar-al-islam, are not they same and that sometimes they have been in competition for funding. Sounds like he's more of an aspiring Osama type.

Ironhorse · 05-13-2004, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather
Luckily it was a bit less graphic in nature.

Hmm..that's open for debate

Fletch XXX · 05-13-2004, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by Chichio
Today I heard that Al Qeada and al-Zarqawi's group, Ansar-al-islam, are not they same and that sometimes they have been in competition for funding. Sounds like he's more of an aspiring Osama type.

yep.

he has even had disagreements with them, mostly over money.

He is NOT a member of Al Qaida.

But no matter what you will have dumb <a href=http://www.postherald.com/me051304.shtml>people confusing the two</a> Here is a professor at a University doing it.

Even our good buddies, the <a href=http://www.nbc5.com/news/3300057/detail.html??z=dp&dpswid=1167317&dppid=65193>Hamas </a> condemns the beheading. And on the same page, clearly say"

"The United Arab Emirates on Wednesday became the first Arab government to criticize the slaying of Nick Berg, 26, of West Chester, Pa. The CIA says it believes the man seen on the tape carrying out the execution is Jordanian-born militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, <a href=http://www.nbc5.com/news/3300057/detail.html??z=dp&dpswid=1167317&dppid=65193>a lieutenant of Osama bin Laden. </a>

When I have CLEARLY heard them say over and over Zarqawi is NOT Al Aqaida and even had run ins AGAINST them.

this is all spin.

Fletch XXX · 05-13-2004, 04:23 PM

"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian terrorist who has claimed responsibility for 25 bombings in Iraq. While he is not part of al-Qaida, per se, his organization is associated with bin Osama bin Laden and claims as its goal to prevent America from establishing a democratic Iraq. "

http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/amer...on/8656195.htm

so which is it? A alietenant under him or two separate organizations?

painintheass · 05-13-2004, 04:36 PM

Here is a conspiracy theory a male friend of mine believes.

That Nick was a prisoner of the AG prison.
He was mis-treated by the jailers.

His father launches a law suit and his identity as an American is confirmed.

They panic but a cool headed person finds a way to cover their butts.

They coerce him into agreeing to help them out of this mess.

They get him to phone home, say he is fine and never been mis-treated and is on his way home.

The prison guards dress like terrorists. Nick remains calm because he doesn`t fear anything is going to happen. Afterall he is just doing this so he can get out of there. Thus explaining Nicks calm manner. Afterall nothing was really going to happen.

The bad voice over, the take down where Nick doesn`t offer any resistence and the woman screaming in the background. Add the shaking of the camera to make it look real with the few seconds you can`t figure out what is happening.

Next is my favourite the missing 1min 16 seconds. And then this is where it gets weird.

He is either killed quickly off camera. (Not sure why) Or the death is faked.

This explains why there isn`t blood shooting out when his throat is cut.

(The heart wasn`t beating when the head was cut off) And from what movement can be seen it is done by the person holding the body and the one holding his head. The body itself doesn` move.

Now thats just a conspiracy theory. I still only have one question and that is where the hell is the photos of the body when they found it? Or even a report on the area. I mean if this happen in Montreal we would have the area sectioned off and every single news reporter would be standing outside of it with a camera to show the crime scene.

So if someone has a link. Please post it.

Pain in the ass

Joe Citizen · 05-13-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by BVF
He didn't look scared to me...In fact I don't even know if the dude expected to get his head cut off like that. They were reading that shit and then they just jumped on him.

I suspect he was sedated.

chaze · 05-13-2004, 04:41 PM

Where is the video? I can tell if it's fake..

escorpio · 05-13-2004, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather
All media is fucked. There's not one source you can trust.

Very true. There's always an agenda.

Basic_man · 05-13-2004, 04:44 PM

Shut the fuck up with all those questions!

05-13-2004, 11:19 AM	#51
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Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	they edited it themselves real quick and shitty so big deal. we all know it takes longer than 20 seconds to saw a head off it probably took them a few minutes and they of course edit it down for presentation. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

05-13-2004, 12:23 PM	#58
Chichio Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,467	It sounds to me like they wanted it to be more terrorizing than 3 mins of a rant in Arabic and 15 more of them cutting his head off. They wanted it to seem like they just jumped him and sawed it off in a few minutes. I think it would have lost a little of the effect if they kept in the actual time of the sawing if indeed it did take that long. They wouldn't have seemed as fierce. They would have seemed like the idiots they are. Pulling out a butter knife out to cut someone's head off isn't a well-planned execution. Someone else noticed that they are even different people. The first guy was probably like "man this is hard, you take over." P.S. Karma is a bitch and these guys have something nasty waiting for them. __________________ Exclusive Asian Content Program - FlyHighCash

05-13-2004, 12:51 PM	#59
BeHeadR Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Santa Barbara Posts: 1,152	It looks VERY much like the daniel pearl beheading. The camera man does the same weird shit in both beheading videos -- just as the first initial cut is being made he zooms in so close you can't tell WTF is going on. Then the zoom out occurs and in both cases it looks very much as if they are both already dead. It also came out this week that Pearl's captors tried to sedate him multiple times but Pearl wouldn't let them. Even though the CIA said today it is most likely Al-Zaraqui (whatever his name is) in the tape I take that with a grain of salt. Yeah those WMD's were sure a "slam dunk" eh Tenet? Fishy is an understatement. __________________ ICQ 40402622 The only sig on GFY without spam! Last edited by BeHeadR; 05-13-2004 at 12:53 PM..

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Babel Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,457	Friends said he was in Us.Custody Well until they released him and he got snatched outside the US prison http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/13/berg.friends/ __________________

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stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	Hmm, that is a bit of a gap... i think they probably just edited out some pointless footage. There is no way he was dead when they're chopping his head off, because when they're pretty much all the way through his mouth is still opening and closing.

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media Confirmed Moneymaker Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Eugene, OR It's Like Jail, Only with Trees! Posts: 9,852	I think they had out takes where they fucked up or someone did something like kick the guy or something.. Cuz when they jump and you hear the screams, you can hear the death rattle of his wind pipe being cut.... So that tells me he was very much alive while he was gettin his head sawed off... Just my opinion though, like you have yours... __________________ I'm here for the violence!

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xenophobic Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 874	It's also possible some Iraqi's had some part in at least his capture, I read in a news article that the hotel he was staying in denied at first even knowing him, or seeing him - only to later talk about how he was "always smiling" and treated them better than a lot of foriegners, however I could also understand why they would deny knowing an american who was just murdered. There was also a reward promised by Al-Qaeda for the murder of a citizen of America or Briton: <I> the speaker said. ''We, in Al Qaeda, will guarantee, God willing, 10,000 gm of gold to whoever kills the occupier Bremer, or the US chief commander or his deputy in Iraq.'' The speaker promised a lesser prize - 1 kg gold - to anyone killing a citizen of countries he called ''the masters of the veto like Americans and Britons''</I>

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bizmak So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 10,014	Did'nt even watch it..

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	I know its hard to believe Conspiracy Planet, but his militant people DID say he was killed months ago. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/ this article from Mar 4 2004. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian terrorist who has claimed responsibility for 25 bombings in Iraq. While he is not part of al-Qaida, per se, his organization is associated with bin Osama bin Laden and claims as its goal to prevent America from establishing a democratic Iraq. " http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/amer...on/8656195.htm so which is it? A alietenant under him or two separate organizations? __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

05-13-2004, 04:36 PM	#78
painintheass So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Paris Posts: 838	Here is a conspiracy theory a male friend of mine believes. That Nick was a prisoner of the AG prison. He was mis-treated by the jailers. His father launches a law suit and his identity as an American is confirmed. They panic but a cool headed person finds a way to cover their butts. They coerce him into agreeing to help them out of this mess. They get him to phone home, say he is fine and never been mis-treated and is on his way home. The prison guards dress like terrorists. Nick remains calm because he doesn`t fear anything is going to happen. Afterall he is just doing this so he can get out of there. Thus explaining Nicks calm manner. Afterall nothing was really going to happen. The bad voice over, the take down where Nick doesn`t offer any resistence and the woman screaming in the background. Add the shaking of the camera to make it look real with the few seconds you can`t figure out what is happening. Next is my favourite the missing 1min 16 seconds. And then this is where it gets weird. He is either killed quickly off camera. (Not sure why) Or the death is faked. This explains why there isn`t blood shooting out when his throat is cut. (The heart wasn`t beating when the head was cut off) And from what movement can be seen it is done by the person holding the body and the one holding his head. The body itself doesn` move. Now thats just a conspiracy theory. I still only have one question and that is where the hell is the photos of the body when they found it? Or even a report on the area. I mean if this happen in Montreal we would have the area sectioned off and every single news reporter would be standing outside of it with a camera to show the crime scene. So if someone has a link. Please post it. Pain in the ass

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chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	Where is the video? I can tell if it's fake..

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