m00d

My personal opinion is to throw Iraq and ourselves on the mercy of the UN.

John Kerry should say, "I'm sorry Iraq and the world. America was duped by an unscrupulous president and mislead into an unholy war. We beg your forgiveness of this transgression in light of our monumental contributions to humankind. We ask you, the world, the UN, God to help us fix what we've broken in Iraq and in America. "

badmrfrosty

I thought you were going to say H-Bomb..

my bad..

BMF

asuna

the rednecks wouldn't stand for it

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4Pics

he'd never do that!

Minte

History does repeat itself..it sounds a lot like what people were thinking Nixon would do after Johnson got us totally involved in Vietnam.. Peace With Honor?

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EnigmaTek

Nice idealism you live in. Now do you honestly think that the Muslims will just turn to us and give us a big hug and say "awwww that's alright, we know you didn't mean it"??


NO


They extremists in that religion will ALWAYS look for ways to hurt us and any country associated with democracy and freedom.



How about telling us what Kerry would have done if the 9/11 bombings happened if he was president? Turn the other cheek? That is what your God teachs you to do. I love how religion always turns up in politics even thought that is what our original government wanted to avoid.

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m00d

he wouldn't have started planning an attack on Iraq the VERY NEXT DAY. He would have leveled Afghanistan just like Bush did and maybe just maybe he wouldn't have gotten so distracted by Iraq as to not have caught Bin Laden and the other 18 of the 22 most wanted terrorists list. If Al Gore were president 9/11 would have never happened. The clinton/gore white house wouldn't have ignored increased threat levels as it was PROVED the bush white house did all throughout the summer and fall of 2001. The 9/11 Commission put to rest any question as to how the Clinton WH handled terrorism and how the Bush WH handled it. How dare you question what a Democrat would do..doing anything would have made them better than Bush WH..who did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

there is a saying that applies to both terrorism prevention in the spring/summer/fall of 2001 in the Bush WH and to the diversion of focus from Afghanistan to Iraq.........................

When the cat is away the mice will play

dropped9

What did Clinton do after the 1st bombings on the WTC? what did he and Gore do to prevent 911?

dantheman

umm let's look at the last decade,
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during clinton,
February 26, 1993, bombing of the World Trade Center, the Khobar Towers attack, the August 7, 1998, bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the October 12, 2000, attack on the USS Cole

what did clinton do......................nada! he was to busy on monica,hilary,banking fraud/land dealings in ark. etc.....he didnt do anything. Hell I would imagine the terrorist thought they could get away with anything while he was in office.



9/11
what did bush do, attacked.........there's no other way to deal with these people. I'm sorry but that's just the way it it.


I'm not bashing kerry here, BUT if he's anything like clinton on this issue then we'll get our ass handed to us by those who want to kill americans.


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DR_PHIL

whats done is done...They will never make truce with us now..we have 100's of years of back and forth bullshit now. Get used to it.

EnigmaTek

Well if Gore wasn't so busy inventing the Internet and pants (with a silent K, some of you might get that joke) he could have prevented everything

There is no way anyone was going to prevent anything from happening. If someone is so dead set on killing you they will do it, somehow, someway.

Everyone is so up in arms about why it happened and how come it wasn't prevented to worry about how to get this to some to some sort of end.

People are now saying the video was just a perfect timing ploy for Bush and that the abuse photos were staged to get him out. I think it's all BS. Some poor guy is dead because of, what Limbaugh reportedly said, some soldiers blowing off steam.

This whole situation is fucked up and a changing of the guards here in the US will not make anything better. The beheading may have been a retaliation for the abuse but how do you explain the initial bombings and all of the people detained and killed already by the oppsing forces? What about the threats of setting the Japanese people on fire if Japan didn't pull out? Spain pussed out and left so it must be working with someone.

We didn't necessarily give them an excuse to start killing us, we just moved the victims closer to the slaugherhouse.

And as Clinton proved it is bad to pull out too soon, it will get you into lots of trouble ;)

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m00d

so you admit that the Iraq conflict is totally fucked up ... yet you believe changing of the guards won't fix it.. so let's just vote the man who got us in this - to quote you - "fucked up situation" to begin with?

that is not logical

EnigmaTek

Yes I agree that the whole thing is fucked up. I doubt that Kerry will be able to fix anything going on.

Going after the terrorists was a good idea. Moving it in to Iraq because Sadam gave support to them was a good idea. Saying it was because we knew he had WMD would have been a good idea had the intellegence been correct. Taking out Sadam was a good idea but only because of what he did to his own people. Trying to help the Iraqi people have a place they can live in without fear is a good idea.

The idiots (way too nice of a term) in the pictures in the US prison will be punished but probably not to the extent the world would like to see.

GW has a lot of people hating him right now. I think being over there is necessary but the reasoning given is wrong.

I don't think Kerry going in there is going to solve anything. Why does everyone seems to think he is the next Messiah? Whenver something bad happens everyone wants to change everything without really knowing what will happen. ALL polititians lie to us to get us to vote for them. Once in office they start working on their own agendas.

Name one president that was really in office for the people? Kennedy? Lincoln? We knew that the Japanese were going to bomb Pearl Harbor before it happened but no one did anything about it. Now does anyone remember that?

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EnigmaTek

If my posts seem to be erratic and going in circles it is because I am extremely mad at the video and what is going on and I am trying to conduct myself in a calm rational manner. My mind is going ballistic with thoughts and my fingers can't keep up with them

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m00d

so you advocate just voting for whoever was in there before? this is how you vote?

m00d

same here my heart has been breaking for my country since november 2000 stolen election

i knew then we were in for it
America turned it's back, we became too complacent and a devil crept in on cat's feet
history will tell the tale and it won't be pretty

EnigmaTek

No and I have said no such thing but every one is all up in arms to get Bush out (I'm not advocating Bush) without really knowing what the other guy is capable of doing.

If you truly belive the other guy (not necessarily speccifically Bush and Kerry, could be anyone) then vote for them but having the other guy in office will not resolve the situation.

Vote for whomever you would like to but just realize that change is not always a good thing. I would have loved to see Perot in offce way back then.

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EnigmaTek

I really think Gore would have sucked at president. His agenda as vice pres seemed to be too too much on censorship and all the "evils" his wife could think up.

I think Clinton did a decent job, Carter tried and failed in Iran, Regan...well who can say anything bad about him ;)

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m00d

I wiped my brow with the back of my hand after i saw the perot numbers in '92 and thought, "wow , america just-almost-could-have
elected a lunatic. we dodged a bullet."

a chill went up my spine and I think I foresaw how absolutely uninformed a huge block of the american voting populus had become

Nanda

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As apposed to like right now? Boy, thank god bush was in power to do what he did, or else god knows how many americans would have died..

Hmmm, I think I would rather have someone like Clinton in power, save the lives of all the americans who have died in Iraq, the muslims would hate you a LOT less as there wouldn't be a bunch of pyscho's in iraq torturing people and taking pictures of it, AND the american economy wouldn't be in the shithole.

Tell me how Bush has made the situation any better with the muslim community.. Do the extremists fear America so much that they would never dare to attack or kill an american again? Fuck no
Do they respect the USA now? Fuck no
All bush did was stirred up the hornets nest even more, caused not only the Muslim community to hate the USA 10 times more than they did before, as well as causing most of the world to feel almost the same.
That and the US economy is completely in the shithole, everyone is out of work, the dollar is worth jack squat. bla bla bla.
anyone BUT Bush could have handled this whole situation better, this guy just took a bad situation and made it about 800 times worse.

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xenophobic

yes, your solution is much like clintons, ignore Al-Quada, they'll eventually go away.

EnigmaTek

Yeah I'm afraid the whole concept of turning the other cheek doesn't exactly work when dealing with people (and I use the term loosly) like this.

Let them bomb you and don't do anything back to them and you are an easy target forever.

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twistyneck

I get the joke. That was the best TV show ever.

EnigmaTek

Oh thank god, allah, tiamat, baphomet, krishna, etc, etc someone else liked that show.


Started to go downhill when he moved out of his parents house though.

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dantheman

STIRRED UP A HORNEST NEST? my god man, where the fuck have you been, the "hornest nest" is/was being stirred up in many mosques and places thoughout the whole fucking world for over 20 years.....THERE'S people that dont like US the way we live, the way we think, hell the way we fuck. They WANT us DEAD! Sorry bro, but it's a war in every sence of the word.

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Paul Waters

A Kerry apology just might work and appease the arab world......


......but only if Bush et. al. were allowed to be tried for war crimes at The Haig.

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Centurion

This is what I think Kerry should pledge to do in the campaign.

First off, there is no incentive for the U.N. or any of the European powers to get involved? Why? Because the United States already has 130,000 troops there and have made the commitment from Bush that we're staying regardless!

So Kerry should pledge to bring ALL the troops home within 6-9 months on his inaguaration as President.

Then, the U.N. will be much more inclined to do something. Why?
For starters, the French, Germans, and ESPECIALLY the Russians are going to be very uncomfortable. Russian is already having problems with Moslem extremists (Chechnya), France has the largest Moslem population in Europe, and geographically, all of Europe is much closer to Iraq than the U.S.

As it is now, they're thinking: "Good, let the crazy Americans stay there and do the job and get killed!" But if the US suddenly pulls its troops out, ALL of the surrounding countries, INCLUDING Israel will NOT be happy (Despite what they may say officially).

And for that matter, if Israel then wants to come in and clean out Iraq..I could care less!

beergood

Lets just destroy whats left of their infrastructure and patrol the skies from thousands of feet up. If we see trouble we bomb the fuck out of it.

twistyneck

Hopefully the series will come out in a boxed set someday. As far as I know you can only get a few episodes now and my VHS versions are just about worn out.

EnigmaTek

That would be great but somehow I doubt that anyone will spend the money to burn it to DVD's

I'll poke around the newsgroups and see if I can find anything.

I loved the submarine in the bathtub episode.

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RicardoB

I simply think anyone other then Bush would be an improvement.

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samuel

Scratch his ballss!! nothing more..

Samuel

EZRhino

Thats just about the most gutless thing I have ever heard, if I ever heard a President of the United States say anything come close to that. I would be on the next plane to France. god would I be miserable.

crowkid

Why do some people have this perfect fairytale idea that if somehow the U.N. were to take over Iraq's security all would be well?? Insurgents vowed death to ALL who come to their land, not just U.S....does anyone remember a small little car bombing at U.N. headquarters last year that killed one of the head's of operation???

Your head is in the cloud singing "LALALAAlalalala i can't hear you".... Why would we apologize to the UN? It seems to me, Kofi Annan should be apologizing to the Iraqis, which his UN buddies stole billions from the dopey Oil for Food Program(his son benefited monetarily from also, which is under investigation)......


but nah, your right, we should kiss the french's ass, even though Saddam paid them off to be against the war and openly campaign against U.S. interests....