one is criminal, one is intelligence, there is nothing odd about the F.B.I doing investigations abroad, they investigated the bombing of the U.S.S Cole in Yemen, they also interviewed John Walker Lindh in camp Rhino, Afghanistan.

US knows exactly how to play the game, now the Iraq prison abuse looks like pancakes compared to getting your head sawed off

My main problem with people ready to scream conspiracy over almost anything, is the nature of people themselves.

We all know how well people keep secrets. Not very well at all. You'd think with the number of conspiracies people are willing to believe as fact, SOMEONE somewhere would have leaked out actual proof.

No, people claim George Bush planned and hahahahahahahad 911, they claim Pearl Harbour was a conspiracy .. And blah blah blah.

The only problem is, there's no proof. Just a bunch of theory.

Is the US goverment capable of conspiracy? Absolutely! It doesn't make everything that happens a conspiracy though. :2 cents:

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they did.. not in the least, but I think in this occasion the cigar is just a cigar.
It's far more feasible that kidnap-happy and bloodthirsty terrorists kidnapped and killed a civilian they found in retaliation for the prisoner abuse or just for kicks - it's what they do... It wouldn't take a CIA plan to make it happen..
who knows maybe it wasn't as planned.. maybe they dropped him off in the middle of fallujah or something and "hoped for the worst".
But in this case i'd be 90% sure it's Al Quaeda being Al Quaeda.
They benefit as well, don't forget thay want the US to be pissed off as well, they want more iraqi civilians to die at the hands of pissed off marines. It all helps their recruitment.. the only loser out of Iraq, Al Queada and Bush in this scenario is Iraq.
I'd bet Al Quaeda wants Bush to win the next election.. it's a mutually beneficial arrangement, Bush gets his bogeyman to take attention of his domestic shortcomings and AlQuaeda get their bogeyman to boost membership, they need a short sighted idiot stumbling through the ME knocking things over and pissing off the locals, if everything was hunky dory there would be any need to run around with a pound of TNT up your ass.

No way, That's ridiculous. GW Bush and Rumsfeld have nothing to gain by that video coming out.

I think this video demonstrates how the acts of the US soldiers, that were abusing Iraqi soldiers, has put the rest of the US military and even Civilians in even greater danger than before.

I would honestly like to see the US military take the heads of those soldiers that disgraced our whole country by acting like jackasses mistreating prisoners.

It will take more than a generation to undo the damage a handful of US soldiers did by abusing Iraqi soldiers on camera.

I don't understand how there can be a conspiracy theory about this. It doesn't make sense at all.

How is it a gift? It makes the Iraq war look like an even bigger debacle than it already was. Bush has nothing to gain by a public decapitation.

Who cares who signs a petition?

Has anyone else on that petition showed up dead? Has anyone on that list been publicly hahahahahahahad at the hands of "Iraqi Rebels"?

I know you said it was probably nothing, I agree with that statement completely.

Exactly! Which makes you wonder how sure are you that those are Iraqis behind the hoods and not staged by fellow Americans so that all the brutalities they've done will fade in the shadows.

("Typical American") "OMG, they cut that poor man's head off! Those terrorist bastards! Who cares about those "frat prank" pictures? The terrorist are savages! We must have revenge! Kill! Kill! Kill! This just shows what they are capable of...first 9-11 now this!"

The latest polls show that the American public, by a margin of 2-1, do NOT hold George Bush or even Donald Rumsfeld responsible personally for the prisoner abuses. Only Americans can vote, so as far as re-election goes .. Doesn't much matter what the rest of the world thinks.

This beheading is not going to save anybody in the millitary from being punished. And by all accounts, the very top brass doesn't NEED saving from this particular scandal.

Okay, then tell me why you think the US denied ever having him in custody? And why was he still in an orange prison jumpsuit?

I think the most likely scenerio is for whatever reason the government wanted to get rid of him and made it possible for him to be captured.

Here is an interesting email from
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/grou.../message/19463


From: "oldtowerguy" <oldtowerguy@y...>
Date: Wed May 12, 2004 12:49 pm
Subject: About Nick Berg


Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:35:16 -0400
From: "Mark Humphrey" <mark@y...>
Subject: Remembering Nick (was Why was Nick in Iraq?)

The tragic news about Nick Berg's murder hit very close to home, as I
had known him for about two years and we hired him for several
recent projects -- in fact, he installed an auxiliary antenna for WPLY in
February, just before heading back to Iraq. Perhaps I can shed some
light on this situation.

<snip>

Why did he go to Iraq?

He was aware that some towers were damaged last year during bombing
missions, and many more had been looted... copper lines removed,
diagonal members taken out, etc. Few obstruction lighting systems
were functional -- he mentioned an 800 foot tower two miles from an
airport (used by our military) that was totally dark. So he first went over
in December to see if he could help to assist in the reconstruction,
restore Iraq's broadcast services, and repair the serious structural
damage that endangered the lives of their citizens.

I received the following email message from Nick in early January:

>About Iraq-

>I am taking photos - where allowed. It's actually pretty sad - I just
>got off one of two 320 meter monster towers in Abu Gharib (also home
>to the main political prison) which use to support most of Baghdad
>area's VHF and UHF.
>Both have been badly looted, including 4000 feet or more of flexible
>6-1/8" heliax, two full 12X4 panel TV antennas, and even some
>structural members. I was also in the North as I mentioned, but here there
>wasn't as much damage. I'll definitely share some of these pix with
>you and others next time I'm in the area - I'd love to put together a
>little presentation for SBE or PAB in about six monthes after I've
>been on every site and fixed some of them.



He returned to Philadelphia in late January to catch up on some
domestic business -- then in early February, tackled an antenna
replacement job at our aux site, which he had quoted last summer.

<snip>

If you've been following all sides of this story, you may have read
that his parents did not receive much cooperation from <b>OUR Federal
Government</b> when trying to learn his whereabouts, which is very
disturbing. He had reportedly booked a March 30 flight back to New
York, but missed it because he had been detained by our military.
<b>Today's "spin" on the story is that they told him to get out, but I'm
not buying that.</b>

Let's keep his family in our thoughts and prayers. Our industry (and
humanity) has lost a very fine person.

Mark