quiet

imagine how many 'civilian's' were killed with each bombing mission in iraq. bodies blown into pieces, etc. no worse than cutting a head off. but not video doc u mented...

the whole situation is a clusterfuck, and was heading that way since day one.

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yes and I then tried to point out to you that waiting before getting kill doesnt make it worse than 3 people dying burned in their car...

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And worse things to come. Mark my words.

Fletch XXX

no doubt

play this

<a href=http://www.burn-the-priest.com/music/RRjs_5_1magics.mp3>5.1 Magics</a>

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duuuuh. sorry, but this was obvious a long time ago. and i absolutely agree...

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Centurion

I think the ULTIMATE irony is that there are so many that rail against "ragheads" and Moslems and profess to be Christians etc.

So, in this case, ask yourself: What would Jesus do if it was HIM that had his head cut off? He would forgive them. TRULY!

Are we REALLY that morally superior to all the Moslems?

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track 4 from "As The Palaces Burn"

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lol... limited individuals like yourself tend to shout out insults while rarely adressing the issues on which they disagree...

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No worries, their brothers have probably already been tortured to death in the POW camps, so no need for prayers.

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trying hard to make sense? Im sure when you wrote that you really thought it was brilliant...

X37375787

I am doing nothing but stating the absolute obvious.

This conflict has a far greater outreach than anybody can even imagine. It only took prolonged occupation after Desert Storm for a muslim outrage that fueled the hatred and caused 3000+ casualties in NYC in 2k1.

Donny

Some of you are missing the fucking point... this isn't about whether or not we should be there in the first place. I started this post to point out how fucked up it is that people cry like babies about our soldiers humiliating a few enemy SOLDIERS, while these fucking morons film themselves cutting off the head (after 5 FUCKING TRIES while the CIVILIAN screamed) of a CIVILIAN.

There's some fucked up thinking going on here tonight.

quiet

don't think anyone is missing anything.

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with all due respect, there were no decapitations until the prison photo scandal.

the beheading was a response for that.

cant deny that.

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You don't see the civilian casulties on the Iraqi side on TV, too bad CNN doesn't feed that into the lines for breakfast.

Humilating soldiers and torturing them to death are also two different aspects that you should take into account.

Jakke PNG

You of course realize that
a) US humiliated Iraqi soldiers
b) Al-queada killed the guy
c) Iraqi soldiers are NOT Al-queada members
d) Osama is plays the game better than Bush

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of course not. where a link to that video of the guys in the blackhawk with night vision? blowing away the various araqi's trying to hide under the truck. "yep, take him out". brutal, such is war.

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Centurion

Agreed. Someone's on their own "posee" this evening.

Centurion

And what would DP say if a video should show up with an American be-heading of an Iraqi? Think there would be the same outrage?

Or, not even going that far, just a video that showed that our soldiers were responsible for the death of an innocent Iraqi.

X37375787

Exactly, cruelty of war. Ones use a high caliber gattling gun mounted on an Apache, others use a rusty fish knife to kill.

Sooner or later the footage hits the news. Some are outraged over the Apache footage of guys getting blown into pieces, and some are cheering for it. Vice versa with the fish knife beheading. Some cheer it on, some are outraged.

Donny

What it, fuckers, and then continue your pathetic arguments:

http://www.consumptionjunction.com/c...1&page=1&fav=0

Fletch XXX

Donnie please dont tell me this video has you voting Bush.

dont say its so.

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Look in the mirror sir. Have you even red a single reply in this thread? If so, have you understood the point in them?

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Centurion

The Right Wingers were singing the "War is Hell" tune on this board WAY before the beheading!

Now you can't stand the heat that war brings with it?
Can't have it both ways.

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Seen it twice. That still doesn't change the fact that you are obviously emotional about this issue and don't accept the fact that others might see things in a slightly different prespective.

Donny

No, I still won't be voting Bush.

One thing you missed, though, when you said this was caused by the "humiliation" photos:

Anti-war, anti-Bush, liberals spreading propaganda released those photos to stir up anti-war, anti-Bush feelings. See what they caused instead? Go to that link and listen to the guy scream as they slowly sever off his head.

Donny

And it also doesn't change the fact that if a different administration was in office at the moment, most of those arguing would switch sides.

Mr.Fiction

The U.S. has already admitted to murdering two prisoners.

There is also supposd to be a tape of people being raped by U.S. troops that hasn't been released yet.

Murder and rape by U.S. troops. If you make an excuse for that, how are you any better than a terrorist yourself?

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http://goose.s3.cybton.com/dl/apache.mpeg

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i wont argue with you.

opinions arent worth anything.

fact is beheading was retaliation.

blame who you want.

hell awaits us all.

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You must be kidding me. You are blaming the liberals for spreading the humiliation footage and causing the retaliation in form of a decapitation?

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Everyone has seen it. Do you understand that the point of the video is to anger the US? They want more blood. Osama is behind this, and every time USA kills or humiliates an iraqi or any muslim they gain more followers. Can you see the strategy behind it? They didn't simply kill this man because they are evil and wanted this man dead. Of course I don't know this for a fact. But it's way more probable than your way of thinking.

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true.. but I think the real issue is not even if whether or not the US are as bad... but simply a case where Terrorists, criminals WILL kill people, make them suffer, wont apologize for it... thats what makes them criminals... The civilized nations " the good guys" follow the international laws established and will not lower themselves to the level of criminals...

The idea of killing or abusing any Iraquis, most innocent of any important crime.. simply because Alquaida.. or even a group of Iraqi terrorists kill innocent people is completely ridiculous... Vengeance truly blinds some people..

quiet

who cares? Al-queada killed one guy on video. what's worse lol.

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Mr.Fiction

Right wingers who were saying two days ago that footage of abuse shouldn't be shown on TV are suddenly saying that all of the world must see this beheading video.

Flip flopping?

Fox turned them to Sheep.

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They also said "War is hell, deal with it". Apparently that only works one way too.

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Indeed.

Donny

Allegations and proof are two different things. If it is proven that our soldiers did such things, I'll be as disgusted as I am by that videotape. There is still a difference in killing enemy soldiers and purposefully making a point by murdering a CIVILIAN in such a horrendous fashion.

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Explain to me what difference there is between a civilian and a prisoner of war.

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War on Terror = We try to kill the terrorists... and they'll try to kill some of us... Now lets try to take out the heart of the Alquaida operation before they kill too many of us...

Thats reality.. dont be surprised by indivual deaths along the way.. no matter how gruesome they are...




Now where's Baddog?!

X37375787

Why does it make a difference to you? It's human lives, for crying out loud.

And do you think torturing and killing a POW on his soil while in captivity is justifiable over killing a foreign civilian intruder (POW) on your own? C'mon now.

Donny

I am no "right winger". I've made it very clear that Kerry has my vote come November.

Why is it assumed that one has to be "Pro Bush" Limbaugh heads to find it disgusting to decapitate a screaming CIVILIAN?

Fletch XXX

"And this flame
That burns inside
If you get too close
Burn you alive
Just look in these eyes
And see if they lie
All these words I speak
You cannot deny

Got a light
Shines on me
Gentle light
It will never be
See the flame
In my hand
If you're playing with fire
You're playing in Hell

Devil's plaything
In my hands
If you don't want pain
You don't understand
Got a light
Shines on me
If you wanna touch flames
Come unto me."

if you dont want pain, you dont understand.

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You completely fail to see the point. Yes, it's disgusting they decapitated a person. SEE BEYOND THAT!

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Donovan, at time of killing, either of the involved parties were POWs. Prisoners Of War. Period.

*If* the US troups tortured and killed two POWs, it puts them on the same stage as the 5 masked Al-Quaeda soldiers who beheaded the US POW.

iluvasians

The Arab countries/Middle East are fighting back in the only way that they really can...using the press, hitting the US and its citizens where it will really hurt. They don't have the military, power, or money to combat the US on any other level.

My deepest condolences to Mr Berg's family and friends...or as GW would say, "our deepemest consolences go out to the fambly and friends during this momentum of great lost"...hey George, can we stop playing war now?...it's not fun anymore

Donny

No, YOU failed to see the point. Look at the original post that started this all. Read it over and fucking over again. Then try to think about what I was asking.

X37375787

Sigh, this is like talking to a fuckin wall: too nerve wrecking on the long run. G'night. Live long and prosper.