Why Blame Administration for Stuff in Prison? - GoFuckYourself.com

zzgundamnzz · 05-07-2004, 04:08 PM

Why is everyone blaming the administration for the stuff happening in a prison half a world away. Worst stuff happens in local prisons within our own country everyday. Why isn't anyone bitching about that?

I know why cause the media doesn't give a shit. All they want is to capture every single negative thing about this war to place a person who owes them favors in power. Thats all its always about. Its never about whats right or to reform the bad on our own shores. Its only about selling newspapers...

StuartD · 05-07-2004, 04:10 PM

Because it's the administration responsible for the invasion, responsible for the military, responsible for the prisoners and responsible for it's country, the people within it and the people representing it.

zzgundamnzz · 05-07-2004, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
Because it's the administration responsible for the invasion, responsible for the military, responsible for the prisoners and responsible for it's country, the people within it and the people representing it.

You didn't read anything but the heading did you?

I was saying why are people focusing so much on what the administration does in that prison when worst shit. 10 X worse happens in our own backyard...

StuartD · 05-07-2004, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by zzgundamnzz
You didn't read anything but the heading did you? I was saying why are people focusing so much on what the administration does in that prison when worst shit. 10 X worse happens in our own backyard...

No, I read it, and I answered.

The administration is responsible for everything, including the stuff that happens that is 10x worse.

The US gets rated against other countries in stats surveys and polls and other stuff. Crime rates, life expectancies... all that stuff.

So whether it's happening at home, the store, the industry or even over seas, if it's American... the administration is responsible.

It's the burden of taking over leadership.

As for people focusing on it, the stuff that happens at home happens all the time, this stuff in the prison in an invaded country in the middle east during a very rough time for the US as it is being judged by the entire world... well, that's not such a common occurance.

Rictor · 05-07-2004, 04:26 PM

The media has always been very conservative in my opinion. I don't buy this "liberal media" bullshit.

When I worked for a newspaper, we buried stories all the time because the made the police or the local government look bad. Don't know how that would be considered liberal.

SykkBoy · 05-07-2004, 04:29 PM

Because we're not just fighting a physical war with bombs and guns, we're also fighting a public relations war...

MattO · 05-07-2004, 04:29 PM

There's supposedly a place where "The Buck Stops Here"

Unfortunately, no one knows where "Here" seems to be right now.

KRL · 05-07-2004, 04:46 PM

LOL, because we just invaded and conquered another country without provocation and we're now responsible for everything that happens there.

As Colin Powell so wisely cautioned and warned Bush, if you go into Iraq, you'll own it.

Joe Citizen · 05-07-2004, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
As Colin Powell so wisely cautioned and warned Bush, if you go into Iraq, you'll own it.

I bet that gave Dubya a huge hard-on!

AMADude · 05-07-2004, 04:59 PM

I agree, what the fuck does Rumsfeld have to do with it?

If a worker at Wal-Mart raped a customer or whatever.....
Would they call for the resignation of the CEO? No fucking way and why would they.

BlueDesignStudios · 05-07-2004, 05:04 PM

part of leadership is accepting responsability..

although you can't control the acts of all the individuals underneath you, a leader needs to have in place procedures & protocols that ensure things run smoothly

StuartD · 05-07-2004, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by AMADude
I agree, what the fuck does Rumsfeld have to do with it?

If a worker at Wal-Mart raped a customer or whatever.....
Would they call for the resignation of the CEO? No fucking way and why would they.

Good, now you're comparing Wal-Mart employees to the military.

arial · 05-07-2004, 05:07 PM

Tried to ask the same thing, but some people don't realize that war isn't just milk and hahahahahahas. The people doing this shit should be punished and it looks like they will. But when you put a few 100,000 troops in another country a few of them are going to act up, human nature.

directfiesta · 05-07-2004, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by AMADude
I agree, what the fuck does Rumsfeld have to do with it?

If a worker at Wal-Mart raped a customer or whatever.....
Would they call for the resignation of the CEO? No fucking way and why would they.

If the Wal-Mart CEO knew it had happened and let it continue t ohappen, his ass would be tossed out in seconds....

Even more if he would of claimed that he would " rid Wal-Mart" of rapists....

Read twice before you ingest...

zzgundamnzz · 05-07-2004, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by arial
Tried to ask the same thing, but some people don't realize that war isn't just milk and hahahahahahas. The people doing this shit should be punished and it looks like they will. But when you put a few 100,000 troops in another country a few of them are going to act up, human nature.

Exactly, its not like we got an army of 100,000 clone troopers to do our bidding and behave at the same time.

The soldiers that do dishonorable things are punished and frowned upon by their peers. Its not like Rumsfeld and GW called those specific soldiers on their cell phone and said "you know what I want you to do this cause its funny". They acted on there own...

reynold · 05-07-2004, 05:14 PM

I just can't understand why the need for all the brutality.

uno · 05-07-2004, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by zzgundamnzz
You didn't read anything but the heading did you? I was saying why are people focusing so much on what the administration does in that prison when worst shit. 10 X worse happens in our own backyard...

I think he did read everything and had a good response. Different people and systems are in place for our domestic prisons. I agree bad things go on there, and I'm all for reform of that. I fail to see any further correlation.

uno · 05-07-2004, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by AMADude
I agree, what the fuck does Rumsfeld have to do with it?

If a worker at Wal-Mart raped a customer or whatever.....
Would they call for the resignation of the CEO? No fucking way and why would they.

Pretty sure there would be a nice fat lawsuit.

marko13 · 05-07-2004, 05:16 PM

because they send those mans there so half of everythinng they do is their responsible

zzgundamnzz · 05-07-2004, 05:16 PM

Hmm... is this GFY or not? Were having a decent conversation about politics and no flames yet

StuartD · 05-07-2004, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by zzgundamnzz
Hmm... is this GFY or not? Were having a decent conversation about politics and no flames yet

I know, I'm confused by it... but it is a good question.

On one hand, I sort of agree... that it's not always possible to control everything that people under you do. But despite that, you are still responsible for their actions.

[ begin hockey analogy ]
Brian Burke just got fired as GM of the Canucks. Why? Probably because the team didn't do so well in the playoffs, but they did great during the regular season.

Is it his fault that the team fell apart under the real pressure but could shine when the pressure wasn't on? No... he built a quality team, he did his job great. But still, the team fell apart... and his contract wasn't renewed as a result.

It's his responsibility.... as leader.
[ / end hockey analogy ]

It's not the same as torture or rape or other stuff that happened in the prisons, but still.. it's a leadership thing. He wasn't physically on the ice. He was in a cushy owner's box. But he still takes the rap for it.

zzgundamnzz · 05-07-2004, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by uno
I think he did read everything and had a good response. Different people and systems are in place for our domestic prisons. I agree bad things go on there, and I'm all for reform of that. I fail to see any further correlation.

My point was why is the media swarming all over that prison in Iraq and not the ones here. Yes, the ones here have different systems... with same amount of media attention they can be reformed. But instead the military prisons in Iraq are getting all the coverage....

Sambo · 05-07-2004, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by AMADude
I agree, what the fuck does Rumsfeld have to do with it?

If a worker at Wal-Mart raped a customer or whatever.....
Would they call for the resignation of the CEO? No fucking way and why would they.

But if the Area Manager of the store knew about it and didnt inform Head Office.... he may be in trouble

uno · 05-07-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by zzgundamnzz
My point was why is the media swarming all over that prison in Iraq and not the ones here. Yes, the ones here have different systems... with same amount of media attention they can be reformed. But instead the military prisons in Iraq are getting all the coverage....

They should do both. I see news pieces on prisons all the time.

Sarah_Jayne · 05-07-2004, 05:45 PM

so kick up a stink about domestic jails too but it doesn't stop what happened there. You don't have to just care about one of them. Plus, seeing as we are suppose to be showing these people that torturing people is a bad thing it might not be a smart thing to ride in with our holier than thou attitude and torture them into believing us.

pure energy · 05-08-2004, 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by marko13
because they send those mans there so half of everythinng they do is their responsible

Well said!

05-07-2004, 04:08 PM	#1
zzgundamnzz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,102	Why Blame Administration for Stuff in Prison? Why is everyone blaming the administration for the stuff happening in a prison half a world away. Worst stuff happens in local prisons within our own country everyday. Why isn't anyone bitching about that? I know why cause the media doesn't give a shit. All they want is to capture every single negative thing about this war to place a person who owes them favors in power. Thats all its always about. Its never about whats right or to reform the bad on our own shores. Its only about selling newspapers... __________________

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AMADude Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,875	I agree, what the fuck does Rumsfeld have to do with it? If a worker at Wal-Mart raped a customer or whatever..... Would they call for the resignation of the CEO? No fucking way and why would they. __________________ No sig, just here to fuck around.

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Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	The media has always been very conservative in my opinion. I don't buy this "liberal media" bullshit. When I worked for a newspaper, we buried stories all the time because the made the police or the local government look bad. Don't know how that would be considered liberal.

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arial Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bay Area Posts: 4,012	Tried to ask the same thing, but some people don't realize that war isn't just milk and hahahahahahas. The people doing this shit should be punished and it looks like they will. But when you put a few 100,000 troops in another country a few of them are going to act up, human nature.

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reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	I just can't understand why the need for all the brutality.

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Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	so kick up a stink about domestic jails too but it doesn't stop what happened there. You don't have to just care about one of them. Plus, seeing as we are suppose to be showing these people that torturing people is a bad thing it might not be a smart thing to ride in with our holier than thou attitude and torture them into believing us.