johnvod

How serious is this Pornography crackdown?
I mean they are talking about fetish being obscene and almost every other genre being obscene or having ramnifications of million years in prison.

How serious do people in adult believe this is or are the lawyers just loving the fearfactor they are able to place in us by writing these heavy articles?

Are we in deep shit ?

Please give your serious replies with no B.S.
as this is a serious matter for the thousands of people on these boards.

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stevecore

doesn't affect me anymore.

JulianSosa

Very serious matters.
I would not personally invest any more money or time in adult sites.

Between visa and goverment pressure I do not see the small / medium sized guys being able to make money in the game

It will come down to offshore ( but can you get processing) and the vivids ( hotel pay per view) syle porn that is available in the us

BRISK

I welcome a government crackdown.

I'll make even more money.

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TheDoc

They have to prosecute obscenity in your local city/state. How are they going to win in places like Vegas, LA, NY, etc?

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yeah...been looking for non-adult projects lately seems like a good idea

JulianSosa

Very true but if you cant get a site approved by visa/processor what does a obscenity charge matter?

johnvod

It doesn't really matter because there are archives and unfortunetely they can go back for many years and prosecute you for things you have done ten years back.

I think this country is very unfair for letting you do whatever you want for as long as you want then they come start screwing with you whenever they feel is time especially when they don't give you solid rules to follow..

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Its bigger then most people think. Well the casual porn webmaster anyway

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undermyspell

Fortunately for us those things that the government attempts to criminalize become all the more appealing for the consumer. All we have to do is find the alternate billing sources and perhaps out of country servers if and when the government should ever make porn illegal.

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johnvod

Hey just because your servers are out of the country doesn't mean you won't be held accountable.This is the prime mistake that all adult webmasters are taught to believe.It's where the beneficial owner of the website resides as a citizen,and where he or she recieves the cashflow,not where the servers are.If that were the case no one would have anything to worry about.Its just not that simple.You can't even have a management company be in the U.S. and have your servers be elsewhere because if that were the case the would have never been able to touch Kazaa.

Also,there is no running,if they want you,they will get you.They went all the way to Australia to raid the owners homes of Kazaa.

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JulianSosa

What about offshore companys that own those servers and collect all funds related to them?

BRISK

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johnvod

Offshore companies can own the servers and collect funds and keep the funds offshore but,that still does not excuse you from being liable unless you yourself that own the company moves to whwere your servers and your whole operation are.This means your consultants,management,customer service,accounting,tech support,etc.....moves with you.Don't be fooled to believe that the government is stupid.If they want you,they will have you.

I am not an attorney so don't take my advise to the bank,I m just an individual like you.

Either you are really offshore or your not,taking servers offshore just increases your bandwith bills and lessons your reliability factor on functionability of your site.If you don't do it right,and real,you have done nothing but wasted youtr time.

Basically,the beneficial owner of the website and his/her affiliates need to be offshore as well.Affiliates meaning management type not sending traffic type.

JulianSosa

I hear you and VERY good points. I guess my questions was what if YOU do not own the company.
Some one offshore owns it.

V_RocKs

I am sure you sound like the idiot who was telling Larry Flynt that his magazine is going to get him in prison and that he should start investing in business ventures that don't relate to porn.

Come to think of it, weren't you the same guy who was talking to the boys down at Vivid, saying something like, "The era of X rated movies has come and past us, we should start looking into something a little more mainstream."

Until Christ himself comes to rule the Earth you are going to have porn bro. Not only will you have porn, but it will be more and more pervasive. 5 years ago we were jailing women for wearing G-String bathing suits in Santa Monica, now you'd look like your grandma wearing anything more than that.

If you want to leave then go ahead. But don't go yelling fire when there isn't one and no one else is getting up. You look like a jackass.

TheDoc

If VISA/MC don't process porn anymore than nothing will change. People will STILL buy porn, just in different ways.

Checks US/Canadian/EU
Web900
Dialers (single bill and normal)
SMS
Invoice Billing
Money Orders
Cash
Loaded Accounts like Casinos

I could name a few more but you get the point. I'm 100% not worried about VISA/MC pulling out.

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TheDoc

Or you can pay 2k, have a lawyer own the company off shore in any porn legal country and run everything without anyone knowing you own it.

Everything goes directly to the bank for deposit or wires and you have a visa debit card to take out your money and the company pays you as a consultant so you are claiming taxes.

Simple really.

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johnvod

Hey Julian:

If you don't own the site and someone else owns it offshore then that person needs to run the company and recieve all the benefits not you. That person should not employ you in the U.S. either.

Like I said"No affiliation whatsover" if you want it to work.

Another words it is what it is basically,either you are truthfully out of the country or your not and I would highly recommend against trying to build a sham to shield yourself because it would only make matters worse for you because now that becomes a conspiracy,avoiding taxesd and the whole nine yards.

If you don't want U.S. laws to apply to you then you really need to go and become a citizen of wherever you feel comfortable doing busines.

Like I said "it is what it is" you are either here or your not,you can't bullshit the government.Especially with this new law that Ashhahahahaha came up with,they can snoop in your emails and everything else and they probably allready are.Unfortunetely they say its for terrorism but they are using it against thier own people.This country was beautiful,its starting to get a little on the scary side now.We are loosing our freakin free country status in my opinion.

V_RocKs

You got like 12 posts bro... I find your arguments to be, therefor, uncreditable...

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johnvod

hey v_rocks I am not yelling fire,just expressing concern.

I want to know how everyone is feeling about this subject,I am in the same boat as everyone else,clueless of what the government plans on doing,if you think you already know the answere then tell us .

Unfortunetely if you read the article that Larry Walters wrote in Ynot news,you would probably piss your pants had you even counted being a money maker in the porn business,if you have never made a dime in this business,you are probably ok.Unfortunetely thats what you sound like to me,some chump who is just hangin here for friendship and not real porn facts.

Had you not called me a jackass,I would have probably approached you more nicely,

BRISK

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Ash@phpFX

there would be benefits of a crackdown to a person like me, living in australia, because of the obvious decrease in competition, but the negatives would outweigh the positives, because i host in america and most porn customers come from the USA.

i dont think it will ever happen though

toddler

and that would be...offshoring....wonder if bushie poo and crew have thought of that...

porn is good for the economy, anyone who says different claims to be christian

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EviLGuY

I believe this won't be a serious issue until / if Bush is re-elected.

Too late in the game for him to start in on this right now.

Jakke PNG

I believe this won't be a serious issue until Bush takes over the world.

US law alone won't mean jack shit to quite a few people.

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V_RocKs

I champion the idea of running an illicet and illegal TGP offshore. The conversion ratios would be off the chain, baby! Think about it, with porn being harder to get, people would be more than willing to finally pay for the shit if it meant being able to control their own supply.

KaLi

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EviLGuY

I am actually hoping he does get re-elected and he does infact cause a huge crackdown on US based porn.

Probably be the best thing for my bottomline ever.