I agree. Moore says a lot of things that people disagree with or don't want to hear. Moore says a lot of things that people agree with and do want to hear. He takes a stand and does not back down. He drives his points home with a sledge hammer, but with that strength of attack he focuses on his specific target and nails it. Have to give the man credit even if you don't agree with his views, he is very good at what he does.

Fletch XXX what "War CHILD" posted about the movie and what Heston said was posted on this board months ago. I don't blame "War CHILD" for not looking it up either, it was months ago. if the search works look it up or do it on Google.

No proof on me...I must be lying, with a name like CrowIsAHoe! ;-) Michael Moore must be right, jesus christ what was I thinking! Thanks for setting me straight bro! [/B][/QUOTE]

I wasnt even talking to you.

Have no clue who you are and dont care.

Do try to pay attention

with names like "High On Acid, War Child, and Crow Is A hoe"

its easy to guess what you three spend your time doing

My point is if you plan on using it as your main arguepioint, you should be ready to defend it, I have YET to see it happen.

Ive read all the stupid pages this guy has read, I want to see him lay it down for me.

Everyone from peaches to him have said "he is a liar" its easy to market things when you lie"

hahaha all this because its called a hahahahahahahahaary?

So now this guy brings up actually rewording and splicing of words.

Id like to see proof, i guess now that YOU say it exists, War CHild is right? hahaha

sorry guy, it takes more than a pack of guys opn a message board to sway my vote.

I wasnt even talking to you.

Have no clue who you are and dont care.

Do try to pay attention

with names like "High On Acid, War Child, and Crow Is A hoe"

its easy to guess what you three spend your time doing [/B][/QUOTE]


ok ok, here's one link i dug up! Jeezuz u people are relentless! and here's the actual speech given by Heston in 99'.

"Thank you. Thank you very much. Good morning. I am very happy to welcome you to this abbreviated annual gathering of the National Rifle Association. Thank you all for coming and thank you for supporting your organization. I also want to applaud your courage in coming here today. Or course, you have a right to be here. As you know, we've cancelled the festivities, the fellowship we normally enjoy at our annual gatherings. This decision has perplexed a few and inconvenienced thousands. As your president, I apologize for that. But it's fitting and proper that we should do this. Because NRA members are, above all, Americans. That means that whatever our differences, we are respectful of one another and we stand united, especially in adversity. I have a message from the mayor, Mr. Wellington Webb, the mayor of Denver. He sent me this and said don't come here, we don't want you here. I said to the mayor, well, my reply to the mayor is, I volunteered for the war they wanted me to attend when I was 18 years old. Since then, I've run small errands for my country, from Nigeria to Vietnam. I know many of you here in this room could say the same thing. But the mayor said not to come. I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry for the newspaper ads saying the same thing, don't come here. This is our country. As Americans, we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land.They say we'll create a media distraction, but we were preceded here by hundreds of intrusive news crews. They say we'll create political distraction, but it's not been the NRA pressing for political advantage, calling press conferences to propose vast packages of new legislation. Still they say don't come here. I guess what saddens me the most is how that suggests complicity. It implies that you and I and 80 million honest gun owners are somehow to blame, that we don't care. We don't care as much as they do, or that we don't deserve to be as shocked and horrified as every other soul in America mourning for the people of Littleton. Don't come here. That's offensive. It's also absurd because we live here. There are thousands of NRA members in Denver, and tens upon tens of thousands in the state of Colorado. NRA members labor in Denver's factories, they populate Denver's faculties, run Denver corporations, play on Colorado sports teams, work in media across the Front Range, parent and teach and coach Denver's children, attend Denver's churches and proudly represent Denver in uniform on the world's oceans and in the skies over Kosovo at this very moment. NRA members are in city hall, Fort Carson, NORAD, the Air Force Academy and the Olympic Training Center. And yes, NRA members are surely among the police and fire and SWAT team heroes who risked their lives to rescue the students at Columbine. Don't come here? We're already here. This community is our home. Every community in America is our home. We are a 128-year-old fixture of mainstream America. The Second Amendment ethic of lawful, responsible firearm ownership spans the broadest cross section of American life imaginable. So, we have the same right as all other citizens to be here. To help shoulder the grief and share our sorrow and to offer our respectful, reassured voice to the national discourse that has erupted around this tragedy. One more thing. Our words and our behavior will be scrutinized more than ever this morning. Those who are hostile towards us will lie in wait to seize on a soundbite out of context, ever searching for an embarrassing moment to ridicule us. So, let us be mindful. The eyes of the nation are upon us today."


Want more proof? I guess I can google more but your boring me

link from previous post here

and this is proof of what? That heston gave a speech.

bravo, his fragile ass wont live much longer, if he is even still alive.

No can you show me where the splices are?

Fine, I'll waste some more of my day on you Fletch.

Here are an example of the types of lies Michael Moore spins.


But Jan Jacobson, the bank employee who worked with Mr. Moore on his account, says that only happened because Mr. Moore's film company had worked for a month to stage the scene. "What happened at the bank was a prearranged thing," she says. The gun was brought from a gun dealer in another city, where it would normally have to be picked up. "Typically, you're looking at a week to 10 days waiting period," she says. Ms. Jacobson feels used: "He just portrayed us as backward hicks."

Source: http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110003233

Michael Moore's response:

When you see me going in to the bank and walking out with my new gun in "Bowling for Columbine" ? that is exactly as it happened. Nothing was done out of the ordinary other than to phone ahead and ask permission to let me bring a camera in to film me opening up my account. I walked into that bank in northern Michigan for the first time ever on that day in June 2001, and, with cameras rolling, gave the bank teller $1,000 ? and opened up a 20-year CD account.

Source: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/

Somebody's not telling the truth here. I tend to believe the bank employee. He has no reason to lie to us. Michael Moore, however, has a bank account full of reasons to lie about his "d0cumentary".

"Cut to Charleton Heston holding a musket over his head and happily proclaiming "I have only five words for you: 'from my cold, dead, hands" to a cheering NRA crowd. Cut to billboard advertising the meeting, while Moore in voiceover intones: Just ten days after the Columbine killings, despite the pleas of a community in mourning, Charleston Heston came to Denver and held a large pro-gun rally for the National Rifle Association. Heston (supposedly) continues speech... "Good Morning. Thank you all for coming, and thank you for supporting your organization. I also want to applaud your courage in coming here today." [Footage of protest outside] "I have a message from the Mayor, Mr. Wellington Webb, the Mayor of Denver. [picture of Webb, then back to Heston]He sent me this, and said 'don't come here. We don't want you here.' I said to the Mayor this is our country, as Americans we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land.[cut to crowd cheering, then back to Heston] Don't come here? We're already here."

Where does he lie?

Proof of what? What have we been talking about for the last 10 FUCKING posts?? Statements taken COMPLETELY out of context, and morphed to Moore's fantasies. Read the speech, it was asked for, so here you all go.... As you see the lines in that speech, cold dead hands, it has absolutely no reference to Columbine or anything like that....

I'm not even sure what your arguing about here..... You Moore's butt-buddy or something? heh, gotta go, watching Spurs play, later!

Sounds to me like some people just don't like the way his film was edited.

The other argument I have seen was some stupid debate on the title and the bowling class and whether the kids attended class that day or not... nothing actually calling him a liar or making any sort of real case, just dumb facts mixed up.

Again, no one shows where he tells lies.

Yor choice to believe some bank teller who risks losing their job over shit like this over a film maker who LEGALLY has to have permits and certain restrictions lifted to film/

Thats it, now I KNOW im dealing with kids who know nothing.

Of course it was prerigged, have any of you worked on a movie set?

You cant simply walk in a start filming, it was opre set up and he needed a license to shoot. They shoot movies here all the time and they come to my door and ASK and to INFORM me they are shooting.

Again, no one has showed LIES, simply a bank tellers word against his.?

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No CHILD, I dont even Like Moore really.

I find it startlingly hilarious that you boys cant back up your points with anything mroe than...

"THE BANK TELLER SAID THIS AND THAT"

HAHAHA

there is a difference between people making a movie that is entertainment (i.e. The last Samurai, Titanic etc) and acknowledging it as such and those people making movies who distort and twist the truth and represent those distortions and lies as "the truth".

its sort of pathetic when people can't distinguish between the two.

according to your logic, Star Wars - Attack of the Clones "is a lie" and people are idiots for not "getting it".

Is this Colins flame nick?

hahaha

Try reading the thread before joining in.

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So he called the bank to tell them he would be bringing in a camera ahead of time, well duh.

The chick that helped him now says they don't usually have the guns there, from the article linked above, "Typically, you're looking at a week to 10 days waiting period,"... and there is your "lie"

Sounds like they had some in stock that day. :1orglaugh

Hey as I said, next thing brainiacs are going to start saying is because "REEFER MADNESS" is JUST A MOVIE, its not propaganda.

hahaha

I ALWAYS call it like it is beforeheand

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I fail to grasp how one cannot see the difference between a film like The Last Samurai and Bowling For Columbine or Roger and Me. One was made to send a message and express a point of view as being "the correct view", One was made as entertainment.

What is the message in The Last Samurai again? I might have missed it.. i thought it was just entertainment.

Are you fucking stupid? Since you are going to assume I am a child, I am going to assume you're retarded. Fair is fair.

You agree with me that it was prestaged. You said it yourself.

Michael Moore disagrees with us both. Here are HIS words:

Nothing was done out of the ordinary other than to phone ahead and ask permission to let me bring a camera in to film me opening up my account.

Michael Moore is leading us to believe, with his words, that you, I, or anyone else can walk in to that bank, and walk out 1 hour later with a gun. Simple as that.

This is not true. If you, or I go and ask for a gun, it'll take 10 days. If we want to make a hahahahahahahahaary about it, and we phone ahead and set it all up for the cameras ... Then yes we can get a gun from a bank in 1 hour.

How can you NOT see this as at very least bending the truth?

Come on.

Haha. That's my partner. COLIN is my flame-nick. ;-)

I fail to grasp really where you get that I do not see the difference?

I am simply trying to find out where the lies end and this bullshit about Michael Moore telling LIES in his film.

if you let that devils advocate post dictate how I feel, I again fail to grasp why you would?

hahaha

im laughing and now HOURs later, on PAGE 2, you POP in and arent even talking about where we are.

Anyway, if you cant show me the lies, I dont care to continue.

I can grasp the difference, its funny that you would think I couldnt simply because I post a thread to get response on a board.

anyway... you didnt even read the thread so blah blah blah

you are a CHILD, you call yourself one... and you dont get what I am saying.

FACT IS YOU CAN BUY A GUN FROM A BANK YOU IDIOT, thats all he was trying to say.

instead of debatuing THAT fact, you grasp at how LONG it takes?

hahaha you missed the point entirely.

he is simply saying look how backward this is to use a promotion called "MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK" and offer free guns with bank accounts?

that in itself is ridiculous, you want to argue how long the matter takes or what he was trying to say?

ahhh, didnt think so.

you are confusing "fiction" or "based on fiction" with "lie"

The Last Samurai is in no way represented as being factual, truthful, historically accurate or as being the truth. Can the same be said of Roger Moore and any of his movies?

Is there a waiting period to purchase a gun in Michigan?

Or was this one week wait due to the guns not being in stock?

Whats the gun laws...can you walk into a store and buy a shotgun and get it right then and there?

I wont even begin with someone who pops in on page 3 clueless and wanting to argue about Tom Cruise movies, this thread was never *really* about those movies, it was to get the topic rolling, which it did.

If you want to talk about Tom Cruise movies, I suggest you cuddle up with COlin and watch Top Gun, because Im waiting on a phone call then im going party.

you waited too long if you want my attention

hahaha

again - go read the thread and DO TRY TO GRASP THE SARCASM!

which you have miserably failed at on your first attempt.

i didnt know all those movies listed were released as docu mentaries and pushed as though they were %100 truth.

I'm 30 years old. I believe this qualifies me to be an Adult. Thanks.

Here is Michael Moore's EXACT LIES IN WORDS:

"Nothing was done out of the ordinary other than to phone ahead and ask permission to let me bring a camera in to film me opening up my account."


I REPEAT. NOTHING WAS DONE OUT OF THE ORDINARY.

Now in your words

So which is it? He simply called and said he's going to be filming, or the whole fucking thing is setup? We know what happened. It was all staged.

I REPEAT. NOTHING WAS DONE OUT OF THE ORDINARY.

Something seems to be out of the ordinary here, doesn't it?

men dont call themself "WarChild" so save that lie for someone else kid.

Quote:

So which is it? He simply called and said he's going to be filming, or the whole fucking thing is setup? We know what happened. It was all staged.

you have proved again you are COMPLETELY CLUELESS as to how things go when FILMING A MOVIE.

i care not to entertain you, simply quote me and bnump this thread.

You really are a fucktard. Many have met me. I assure you I am not spinning lies about my age.

Is it at all possible that I have been online, on BBS's and Datapac since long before the internet? Could I have used that name then? Is it possible I'm still using it?

I'll just take that as an admission you're wrong. You don't dispute the fact that Michael Moore says nothing was done out of the ordinary, and yet the bank says that rifle was pre ordered to be there FOR this film. That's OUT OF THE ORDINARY. And that qualifies as a lie.

you originally made a referrence to films with "distorted facts" and attempted in your own drunken way to make the connection that those "distorted facts" are no different than Michael Moores "distorted facts"

my point was simply that a movie like The Last Samurai (which you referred to as an example) and other movies are not being represented as being "fact" or an accurate representation of anything. The same cannot be said in Michael Moores movies where he is clearly trying to send a political message rather than simply entertain.

http://www.csgv.org/issues/licensing...ng_periods.cfm

Michigan
Permit required to purchase handguns. Local law enforcement is supposed to issue permit "with due speed and diligence", but no limit is placed on the wait to acquire a permit

handguns

So the point he was trying to make is that he could walk into this bank and get a shotgun.

The bank teller chick now says they didn't always have them on the premises, sometimes it takes a week, but not because of some required permit waiting period.

geez some people are daft

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ah SO YOU MAKE UP LIES ABOUT ME BEING DRUNk, to prove your point about "distorted facts?"

I havent had a drop of alcohol in days, no herbs either, am pretty much sober.

Its good to know someone with your brain can be knocked down to such naughty tactics like telling lies in a post about TRUTH.

what a friggin joke. I am supposed to drive tonight, Im NOT DRINKING!!!

liar.

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You almost got it. Except not quite. Here's what the bank actually said:

But Jan Jacobson, the bank employee who worked with Mr. Moore on his account, says that only happened because Mr. Moore's film company had worked for a month to stage the scene. "What happened at the bank was a prearranged thing," she says. The gun was brought from a gun dealer in another city, where it would normally have to be picked up. "Typically, you're looking at a week to 10 days waiting period," she says. Ms. Jacobson feels used: "He just portrayed us as backward hicks."

You are very naive if you think Hollywood movies don't contain subtextual political messages.

Ah SO YOU MAKE UP LIES ABOUT ME BEING A CHILD, to prove your point?

I haven't been a child, arguably, for a good 10 years.

It's good to see that somebody with such a high post count, an obvious qualification of intelligence, can be knocked down to such naughty tactics like telling lies in a post about TRUTH.

what a friggin joke. I am supposed to go to a movie tonight and pay adult price, Im NOT A CHILD!!

liar.
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Thanks for your intelligent contribution to the discussion.

why make an intelligent contribution? they are just ignored in an attempt to prove a point.