Centurion

First off: I LOVE CCBILL!!

Now that I have the disclaimer out of the way..

There HAS been something VERY weird happening to my signups through CCBill for about the last month. It's either a feast or famine day it seems. Yesterday for example was "average"..today it's fucking INCREDIBLE! One signup..ONE lousy signup among all my my sites. That's just toooo freaky! Not even a rebill..and man..the expiring rebill notices are just zomming out like a bad 3d movie and customer cancellations are at an all time high! (Yes, it could be because my sites suddenly started stinking big time..but have to rule it out as it goes against the laws of nature! )

And it's not just the posts on this board, but conversations from other friends/associates that use ccbill that are having the same results. While I do believe ccbill IS the best out there, it's still disconcerting to have the signup chart look like a bi-polar dude having his good and bad days!

swami

My ccbill conversion rates are so bad compared to other processors that I will no longer promote any sponsors using ccbill.I've always suspected the sponsors must be getting credited otherwise they are crazy for using them if my stats are any indication.
For example I am 0:12503 for compudollars on a asian site.
that same site converts 1:500 with other sponsors.
and 1:4000 for dirtywhiteboy.
Something is up.

Snake Doctor

For someone doing the kind of volume you claim to be doing it should be no problem whatsoever for you to get the paysite owner to set you up a custom tour with your affiliate ID hardcoded in the join page.

Then there would be no bitching about ccbill screwing up the c-o-o-kies or shit like that.

My guess is you do 3 sales a day and don't have any today so far, so you made up your volume story to try and give your complaint more teeth.......or you're a troll working for another processor.

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swami

The guys at ccbill can check my figures.
My affiliate code is 486328.

samuel

If that happens to you mroe than one time, try with that, making yourself a signup and checking if everything is going ok... you could catch them when you see those "holes" in your sales..

Samuel

m00d

you couldn't be more wrong. something is going on lately. if you havent noticed or experienced it - great. We all have different business models.

CHMOD

Why do I get the feeling that you are just plain stupid ?


I will dump CCBill very very very soon. As soon as I setup my own merchant account. I am tired of seing 20 sales in a day and then, 5 sales the day after.

I have tried many CC processor and CCBill is the only one who is scrubbing that much.

I hope that many webmasters will wake up and drop them too.

psyko514

what a dumbass comment.

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latinasojourn

i don't use affiliates at all. have 31 paysites on ccbill with 4 other processors.

ccbill is in number 1 position.

they've been in number 1 position in 1997.

netbilling checks is in number 4 position.

usually check sales are a weak sister compared to CC sales.

and somedays netbilling checks approaches ccbill's day volume.

my opinion is that scrubbing is going on.

variable scrubbing to keep a total portfolio under a certain %.

that is the ONLY possible explanation i can see for the wide disparity on ccbill signups from day to day.

my traffic has always been very steady, with extremely stable conversions---the shit i have is all original artsy type stuff, i have no competition.

and i like ccbill. i think they are good guys. and i think they must be under the gun on visa issues and must turn scrubbing up and down to stay under certain levels.

just my opinion.

Centurion

Very similiar situation to mine. Scrubbing has to be happening big time right now..but it almost seems like they just do it every other day or something.

And if they are under the gun from Visa..then that makes me VERY nervous.

m00d

if they are under the gun even more than we know, I wish they would let us know instead of keeping us all twisting in the wind.

cool1g

Swami - maybe its just those asian sites aren't selling - I am 0:1,395 YTD for Compudollars as well.... grrrr

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m00d

My business model is very different than yours and I'm experiencing the same thing

riosluts

I am in the exact same boat as you. This is my 2nd week of terrible rates (or no sales at all) while 2 weeks before that I was getting rates of 1:600 or better. Same traffic from the exact same tgp.

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CX*

I"ve been noticing this for about 2 months now... sometimes there are two or three weeks where sales are normal.. but then all of a sudden there is a huge 8 hour hole... today has been brutal... actually the last three days...


CMOD... where are you getting your merchant account.. I need to get one as well... thanks

Snake Doctor

Actually I don't use ccbill at all. I've tested them before and always had lower numbers than I've had with other processors so I never threw alot of traffic their way.

The way this thread was started seemed awfully "trollish" to me, hence my comments.

My apologies if I was way off base.

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CHMOD

It's also what I would like. But hoping this from a CC processor is simply dreaming.

Remember Globill saying that they were solid as rock until the last single minute ?


Scrubbing for keeping the ratio under VISA's regulation is understandable. But scrubbing and denying it ( and considering us as idiots ) is not a way to treat their webmasters. They need us as much as we need them.

Kimmykim

My only comment is about the scrubbing situation -- if you're familiar with how the transaction count for chargebacks works, you will know that you must maintain or grow your transaction count every month just to maintain the level you are currently at.

If your chargeback levels start to climb, scrubbing harder and declining more transactions will NOT help your cb situation, it will make it worse.

Here is an example --
you do 1000 sales per month and you have 9 chargebacks. That is .9%

if you drop and only do 900 sales per month, and you still have the same 9 chargebacks you are now at 1%.

remember that chargebacks are accrued in the month they come in, not back to the original month of the charge.

So the math of scrubbing harder and lowering sales volume in order to drop chargebacks would not be a viable one unless you were in a position where lowering your number of transactions would not put you in jeopardy of raising your cb level above what is allowed...

I have no idea what the overall cb ratio is at any processor so I am not speculating on what anyone is doing, I'm simply pointing out a bit of math that people often overlook when they think they have come up with an answer for lower sales.

m00d

i hadnt even considered THAT

MrJackMeHoff

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swami

0:1,395 is 1 thing but 0:12500 is nine times worse.

And as I said those same links directed to other sponsors convert 1:500 on average
I just wonder how good their tracking is.

m00d

if there is indeed no scrubbing going on then I think the whole online porn industry is crumbling before our eyes in the last 3 weeks.

Ray@TastyDollars

What ever the problem is, lets hope it gets resolved soon.

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daveylapoo

Maybe it's this thread, but I'm having my lowest coversions with CCBILL in 10 months - 1:204 across the board.....they've always been closer to 1:600.

hmmmmmmmmmmm.

psyko514

there is scrubbing going on. what she's saying is it's not being done in an attempt to lower chargeback numbers.

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m00d

then why is it being done?

coolandthegang

maybe it's better to switch the billing comps

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chupacabra

good question..

Jjimmy

Where is corvette now?

Snake Doctor

Maybe because when this month's chargebacks do hit the balance sheet we'll be in the middle of the summer slowdown and won't have as many new transactions coming in to keep the ratio intact.

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emthree

awaiting ccbill to "check" everything, and give the board a responce.

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Ray@TastyDollars

Fuck! I just remembered, I have a paid Hun spot going up tomorow, testing a new site. Hope they fix this glitch by them

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LadyMischief

Our ccbill stats have been up and down too, but that's nothing new. We've had a few really great days, and then a few really shitty days. Someday it will stabalize, we can hope

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Donny

I am absolutely amazed at the lack of education in this industry. You mother fuckers are flat out stupid.

Consider a few things:

1. Dumb ass motherfuckers, have you noticed that the weather is getting VERY good lately? Surfers are going to the park, playing with their kids, fucking their girlfriends in the great outdoors. Does this mean traffic will go down? Not necessarily. Like you and I coming to GFY, surfers will still get their daily fix. But this time of year they're less likely to drag out their credit cards to join a site. It takes time to look through a member's area. A surfer may have a few minutes to click through to your site, but not as many are willing to spend the time looking at your member's section. Therefore, they're NOT joining, yet traffic may remain the same.

2. CCBill doesn't get paid the same amount of money when you DON'T make sales, now do they? Does it make ANY FUCKING SENSE to you that they'd purposely LOWER sales? You think Corvett takes a smaller paycheck this time of year? How about the other employees? Nope, they still need paychecks. The money to pay them is generated by YOUR site subscriptions.

3. I have some very powerful friends that do their own processing. THEIR sales are down right now too. And the funny thing is, their sales slumps just happen to follow the same "cycles" or "patterns" that mine do. One day sales ratios are FANTASTIC... the next day they're HORRIBLE. Again, consider the TIME OF YEAR.

The main reason you keep hearing: "CCBill ratios are way down for me" is really quite simple: EVERYONE WITH HALF A FUCKING BRAIN THAT'S WORTH A SHIT USES CCBILL!!

The losers that use other processors don't have enough affiliates to complain.

m00d

i agree totally

m00d

you underestimate most people in this thread

Kimmykim

Um, last but not least, weren't both CCBill and IBill under DOS attacks recently?

I would imagine there are lingering results from such a thing if they stopped them, or who the hell knows, maybe they are still combatting them...

Lower sales don't help the bottom line for resellers, site owners or processors --

And while the summer slowdown did indeed used to exist, it's really not such a big deal any more -- broadband, users from countries not in the US, smarter surfers (you guys would not believe how many surfers cancel their memberships BEFORE they ever log in the FIRST time) and so on all contribute to the situation.

As do all the adware, spyware, and scumware apps that are out there that change reseller codes, change anything they can possibly change to divert a sale to someone else.

Everything is cyclical, porn is no different.

As I told one of my consulting customers the other day, patience is not a virtue in this business, it's a requirement.

m00d

kimmykim can you point me in the direction of some info on these things that can divert sales? anyone?

Ian

Some good points tonight.

I've been watching the weird fluctuations in signups from day to day. This last month has been very strange.

I've just opened a new site:

http://www.privateschoolgirls.net

and I think i'll try it for a while just using ACH Billing (cheques).

Just to satisfy my curiosity and test a different avenue at the same time.

Anyone else tried this?

Maybe it'll turn out to be the same and the fluctuations are due to natural occurances.

Who knows? Can't hurt to try.

Kimmykim

Sure, if you go download enough of those damn apps you'll eventually get enough shit on your computer that you can pick anything you want to and it will go to something else.

I have none of them on my computer. I don't do Kazaa, Morpheus, BearShare, pretty much anything these days that is free. I won't even used cracked versions of programs any more and I pretty much go to the store to get software instead of downloading it even from the authorized sites. If someone can reset your home page, your search page and your dns registry, changing the links on your computers browser is a piece of cake.

My best guesstimate is that 30% of traffic is being diverted overall.

I could be way off base either way, but I don't think so.

m00d

diverted intentionally to steal sales?

if what you say is true, how can we protect ourselves?

BVF

If you want to see whether or not CCbill scrubs too hard, just turn on the option where you will get an email everytime a card is denied....

It ain't the scrub, it's the sales. Say you have it set where you get email notifications for each sale and for each denial. If you normally do 10 sales a day, you'll be getting 10 email notifications a day. If all of a sudden, you're getting 2 sales a day with the same traffic, that means that you should be getting 8 denial emails if the scrub was up....Therefore you should be getting at least 10 email notifications a day regardless of the scrub...

Now if it ISN'T the scrub and you're not getting the equivalent amount of the denial emails, then it's the sales that are down.

I am NOT getting the same amount of denial emails. Therefore, it couldn't be the scrub.

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Centurion

I don't pretend to have a phd in internet marketing. But I can say that I watch all "trends" carefully.

My option IS set on to get all denial letters as well as approved ones. So one day I get my usual really good traffic/signups, the next, in come the denial letters like rats fleeing a sinking ship (no intention of trying to compare ccbill to a sinking ship).

So what I'm finding fascinating/disturbing is that it's like every other day the trend literally changes. As if..oh say a GFY mod hasn't taken his pills and goes from MANIC to DEPRESSED in a regular 24 hour period.

I guess I should consider myself lucky all things considered.

CHMOD

Or over estimate himself.

I usually like his comments but this time, he just seem to be an 18 years old kid trying to feel important by bashing others.

Quite normal on this board but still deceiving from him.

Bansheelinks

which is completely ILLOGICAL..........after all, whats the point of the scrub then? Come off it.

Bansheelinks

Are you on glue? Come on now KK

Martin

I'll tell you for me it's been a bad week. Real bad. (With CCBill and others)

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quantum-x

Comes down to a level of trust.

You'll never prove that they're taking your signups in the holes, and they'll never let you prove it.

Revshare ANYTHING inherently has this risk, the smaller party has to rely on the larger party's honesty.

However, on a similar note - I had a disappearing sale w/ ARS last week, and they credited my account no questions asked - there's an example of mutual trust.

Bansheelinks

Good point Quantum-x...........after all, CCBill HAS engendered a great deal of trust amongst webmasters, unlike such disasters from the past like the crooks at dialerprogram or cyberthrill, to cite a few.